Reality

Originally posted by Mindship
First of all, Descartes was not making a comment about free will. He was trying to "whittle down" his reality to the one thing he could be sure of, and that was Doubt. Because he doubted, he knew he existed.

Secondly: a "false sense of free will"? This is what a determinist would propose, that free will is an illusion. But this could only be determined (pun intended) from a Godly POV.

Thirdly, by definition, an all-powerful being not only could create a false sense of free will, but a true sense as well. Both determinism and free will could co-exist, along with an infinite number of other things which, if attempted to be grasped by the limited human mind, would result in paradox (so for those of you who are now tempted to ask, "How could you have both free will and determinism?" I say, Nothing is impossible for God, and everything is impossible for God...sort of, the ultimate paradox. If this makes absolutely no sense to you, that's a good first step in the right direction 😈 ).

Reality is ultimately an ineffable experience, not a concept.

Sure, we can imagine that there might be a being like that. Freaking ****ing unlikely though.

I also, like what I did there.

Originally posted by debbiejo
You know that every time you say that "God as Dreamer", I'm gonna say.. 😱

Sure, we can imagine that there might be a being like that. Freaking ****ing unlikely though.

Originally posted by Darth Oblivion
René Descartes claimed "I think, therefore I am". He was trying to say that if you have the ability to think free will, you exist. But if there is a being out there that is powerful enough to imagine an entire universe worth of matter, is it not possible that the same being is powerful enough to create a false sense of free thinking and free will?

Are you sure that "I think, therefore I am" is ultimately a reasonable/correct statement?
For example, does existence really require thought?

Originally posted by goatstradamus
Are you sure that "I think, therefore I am" is ultimately a reasonable/correct statement?
For example, does existence really require thought?

That's not what is implied though.

It says "I think, therefore I am", not "I am, therefore I think".

Originally posted by Mindship

Actually, I can't even imagine it.

Yeah, you can. I mean, you just did. As did everyone else that read your post.

Originally posted by goatstradamus
Are you sure that "I think, therefore I am" is ultimately a reasonable/correct statement?
For example, does existence really require thought?

Reasoning requires Descartes to exist in order to make an argument (in his opinion)

therefore he declared the single most baic thing he could to start his argument

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, you can. I mean, you just did. As did everyone else that read your post.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I did, and my brain went way over to the right side to do it........way over.....No left sided brain for my post...

Cool.

I mostly got my idea through a combination of the Dark Tower series and my nagging habit of trying to disprove what is taken and law. I once tried to disprove Einstein's law of "time is relitive".

Originally posted by Darth Oblivion
I mostly got my idea through a combination of the Dark Tower series and my nagging habit of trying to disprove what is taken and law. I once tried to disprove Einstein's law of "time is relitive".

That's nothing to brag about. Generally.

Anyways, check out Bishop George Berkeley's work. You might enjoy it. Similar ideas. Somehow.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, you can. I mean, you just did. As did everyone else that read your post.

Originally posted by Mindship
No. Everyone understands my words, but to envision such a being...c'est impossible. Might as well try to envision a triangular circle.

To imagine that it could exist. To imagine it itself might be rather impossible. Maybe cause it is just against the laws of this Universe and doesn't and can't exist. But that's beside the point. You can imagine that such a thing exists. Kinda like a triangular circle.

(which, by the way, is what I was saying all along)

Originally posted by Bardock42
(which, by the way, is what I was saying all along)

Yeah me 2.

😉

Originally posted by Bardock42
To imagine that it could exist. To imagine it itself might be rather impossible.

Maybe cause it is just against the laws of this Universe and doesn't and can't exist.

But that's beside the point. You can imagine that such a thing exists.

Kinda like a triangular circle.

Originally posted by Mindship
Please draw me a pic.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You were not following our conversation, were you?

Originally posted by Mindship
And where do you imagine I stopped following?

When we "agreed" upon it being unimaginable, but the possibility of it to exist being imaginable.

Originally posted by Mindship
No. Everyone understands my words, but to envision such a being...c'est impossible. Might as well try to envision a triangular circle.

Originally posted by Bardock42
When we "agreed" upon it being unimaginable, but the possibility of it to exist being imaginable.

To imagine that it could exist. To imagine it itself might be rather impossible. Maybe cause it is just against the laws of this Universe and doesn't and can't exist. But that's beside the point. You can imagine that such a thing exists. Kinda like a triangular circle.

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Hmmm I wonder where you got that idea......

Originally posted by Mindship
That is much more concise and clear than... Thus we are indeed in agreement.

Yes, I was aware of that.