Originally posted by By Crom!
It's about using a sample to justify your comments. Now you have to provide "evidence" to refute his and prove his sample is not representative. Just saying it isn't and critiscising the methodology is not enough. Put up your evidence to provide an alternative.🙂
That's how statistical arguments work. 🙂
Show the binomial distribution of his data is adversly skewed. Put up your error bars. 🙂 perform an ANOVA (woudn't work on this question). Do a Chi squared.
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Numbers please.
Yes, a valid sample, which has not been given. See the many post from myself and others that refute his "statistics" as reliable fact.
Umm... I cannot prove a negative, that is not how it works, you're asking me to prove that "most white people aren't racist nor do they hide it". He made the claim, he claimed it as fact, it is HIS responsibility to prove it. Surely you know that...
Originally posted by By Crom!I haven't. But statistics in and of themselves are quite simple. And if the poll sampling isn't reliable, then the poll results aren't reliable. And that's what we're talking about. The polls that FotN referenced. If you're not talking about that and are instead talking about the properties of Statistic as an abstract principle, then you're obviously not on the same wavelength as we are.
Well in simple terms things have to be <1 or >1 to be relevant in stats either in a positive or negative fashion. I am getting the feeling you haven't done stats.😉
Originally posted by Strangelove
I haven't. But statistics in and of themselves are quite simple. And if the poll sampling isn't reliable, then the poll results aren't reliable. And that's what we're talking about. The polls that FotN referenced. If you're not talking about that and are instead talking about the properties of Statistic as an abstract principle, then you're obviously not on the same wavelength as we are.
Your post reveals yourself look up "significance" in stats you'll get what 1 means.
Goodnight 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
Would you please show where I am/was prejuduce, a bigot or racist?
You're stealing my lines Rob! 😛
It was Urizen who said that I was a biggot.
It was YOU who said that I couldn't use the word "may" or thank Fist as an insult for his prejuidice, bigotry, or racism.
I'm not calling you or Urizen bigots.
Are you again taking a simple post of mine and pulling some opposite meaning from it, or are you just being facetious?
By Crom!
Originally posted by Robtard
Like I said... His highest participant poll had 153 people, of those 80(79.56) leaned towards a racist point of view towards blacks. Even considering that every single one of those 80 people are white (which we do not know for sure), would you use 80 "white people" views as a basis to claim as fact that "most white people are racist and just hide it'?
Would you?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or you could tell me and not be an @ss about it
Significance
http://www.surveysystem.com/signif.htm
😉 its all about <1 in stats 🙂
While this logic passes the common sense test, the mathematics behind statistical significance do not actually guarantee that 1-p gives the exact probability that there is a difference is the population. Even so, many researchers treat 1-p as that probability anyway for two reasons. One is that no one has devised a better general-purpose measure. The other is that using this calculation will usually lead one to a useful interpretation of statistical significance numbers.
In some non-survey fields of research, the possibility that 1-p is not the exact probability that there is a difference in the population may be more important. In these fields, the use of statistical significance numbers may be controversial.
By the way you can't criticise methodology in stats without knowing a lot more detail than it's a website. That in itself might make it more or less random.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You're stealing my lines Rob! 😛It was Urizen who said that I was a biggot.
It was YOU who said that I couldn't use the word "may" or thank Fist as an insult for his prejuidice, bigotry, or racism.
I'm not calling you or Urizen bigots.
Are you again taking a simple post of mine and pulling some opposite meaning from it, or are you just being facetious?
I must have misunderstood your post then... What was the point of your original response to my post that wasn't directed at you in the first place then?
Originally posted by By Crom!
Significance😉 its all about <1 in stats 🙂
"In statistical terms, significant does not necessarily mean important."
"Check your sampling procedure to avoid bias." FotN's sample is extremely biased to only alow those w/ internet acess and does nothing to prevent trolls.
So his sample is not significant or any where near large enough.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In statistical terms, significant does not necessarily mean important.Check your sampling procedure to avoid bias. FotN's sample is extremely biased to only alow those w/ internet acess and does nothing to prevent trolls.
So his sample is not significant or any where near large enough.
You can't criticise a sampling method without a lot more detail the fact it is a website may make it more or less random.
Actually it's significant within that number that's another issue. Size of sample group is significant only to that sample group.
and significance not being important is a probability issue, it means you don't get the nomenclature. 1 is the measure used. Probability affects it's importance.
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