Prove to me that what Surfer happened to be thinking at the time has any scientific merit.
The fact that Surfer has been beaten on by Thanos, Gladiator, Durok, Skreet, Lunatic, Hulk, Quasar, Thor, Odin, Loki and many others proves that he does not have "nano second" reaction times.
Though bubbles do not = facts.
Scoob, your argument against Surfer doesnt hold, you could say that about Superman being hurted by people, assuming he does not have lighting fast reflexes. Its called PIS.
Explain why would he have a reference to a explicit "nanosecond" instead of any other time frame, people just dont think about the word nanosecond when referring time, it was obviously intended to make a speed reference. In my opinion, you are better off trying to argue that Quasar has also super speed than trying to dismiss the same ability in the surfer.
Originally posted by Loot
Surfer being beaten by hulk 🤨
If surfer is beaten by most of the guys you mentioned is because he´s not fighting at his best and you know it, or its the worst piece of writing i´ve ever saw.Odin is skyfather level, nothing surfer can do to him will do any harm.
Yes, Surfer got beaten on by the Hulk .... I didn't say "beat" (though he has)
The point is that Hulk and all those other characters, along with a ton of others are fast enough to hit Surfer on a regular basis.
And arguing that anytime the Surfer loses to anyone below skyfarther being bad writing just sounds like fanboy overhyping of the character.
Originally posted by Bentley
Explain why would he have a reference to a explicit "nanosecond" instead of any other time frame, people just dont think about the word nanosecond when referring time, it was obviously intended to make a speed reference. In my opinion, you are better off trying to argue that Quasar has also super speed than trying to dismiss the same ability in the surfer.
Any one who has the time to think the word nanosecond is not reacting in one.
I have stated over and over again that Quasar has super speed.
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And Surfer will be reacting far slower than his normal due to telepathic assaults.
And by "normal" I don't mean the one or two times he has been thinking about terms like "nanosecond"
The vast majority of Surfer appearances has him being struck by non-superspeed or low level superspeed characters.
When one out of one hundred showings claims "nano-second" speed then that one becomes the PIS, not the other 99 consistant showings.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Yes, Surfer got beaten on by the Hulk .... I didn't say "beat" (though he has)The point is that Hulk and all those other characters, along with a ton of others are fast enough to hit Surfer on a regular basis.
And arguing that anytime the Surfer loses to anyone below skyfarther being bad writing just sounds like fanboy overhyping of the character.
Any one who has the time to think the word nanosecond is not reacting in one.
I have stated over and over again that Quasar has super speed.
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And Surfer will be reacting far slower than his normal due to telepathic assaults.
And by "normal" I don't mean the one or two times he has been thinking about terms like "nanosecond"
The vast majority of Surfer appearances has him being struck by non-superspeed or low level superspeed characters.
When one out of one hundred showings claims "nano-second" speed then that one becomes the PIS, not the other 99 consistant showings.
i didn´t said that it was bad writing if he lost to anypne blow skyfather. Thanos is not skyfather and he beat surfer.
i meant if the likes of hulk can beat surfer it is bad writing
Surfer doen´st move all the time at his maximum speed, but he can, and his giving everything he has in this fight.
Your mind attacks won´t do much, its psylocke and mimic with 50% of a tecnho organisc cable (not god like) thats probaly even less then psylocke.
I showed a scan where surfer withsand a moondragon tp attack with the mind gem, don´t think tp will do much to surfer int his fight.
not to mention he beat god-like cable
Originally posted by Loot
i didn´t said that it was bad writing if he lost to anypne blow skyfather. Thanos is not skyfather and he beat surfer.
As have many other people below skyfather.
Originally posted by Loot
i meant if the likes of hulk can beat surfer it is bad writing
Beat on ... as in hit ... many times.... Hulk can hit Surfer = Surfer does not have near instant reaction times.
Surfer is weak in physical fights.
Originally posted by Loot
Surfer doen´st move all the time at his maximum speed, but he can, and his giving everything he has in this fight.
Much like he did while fighting fo rthe fate of the Universe ... against Quasar .... where he couldn't beat him and was hit many, many, times ... by Quasar.
Which means Quasar = at least the same speed as surfer.
Originally posted by Loot
Your mind attacks won´t do much, its psylocke and mimic with 50% of a tecnho organisc cable (not god like) thats probaly even less then psylocke.
hey're not supposed to do much, just distract the Surfer which is plenty when going against someone as powerful as Quasar .... who Surfer wasn't able to beat before.
Originally posted by Loot
I showed a scan where surfer withsand a moondragon tp attack with the mind gem, don´t think tp will do much to surfer int his fight.
not to mention he beat god-like cable
You showed a scan which pointed to the fact tht immediately prior to it Surfer had been under Moonstones control for some time.
Cable never mentally attacked Surfer during that fight..... and Cable is nowhere near as powerful as Quasar.
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Surfer cannot move anywhere near full speed within this, small, battlefield.
Surfer isn't any faster than Quasar to begin with.
Surfer's head will be a little muddled by my telepaths.
Surfer will be trapped for a while.
Quasar can withstand galactus' energy blasts = Surfer wont be penetrating his armour.
Quasar will get in close when fighting and force a H2H situation where he will have a large advantage.
Originally posted by Bentley
I insist, you are defending what to me is a wrong point.
Well this doesn't really have anything to do with you, but if Surfer is that fast, then so is Quasar:
Quasar avoids Surfer's blast but Surfer can't avoid Quasar's
While in mid fight with Surfer, Quasar is fast enough to keep the upper hand while figuring out what's going on.
(also points to his durability advantage)
withsand galactus doens´t mean it can´t be destroyed, my IW woman shields also withsand galactus.
Speedsters normally think faster, it has been stated many times, flash for exemple this way faster then anyone in JLA.
AS surfer does in that scan. He has been showed thinking and using tp at such speeds.
Just because surfer lets hulk give him a punch that doens´t mean he can dodge it.
I wans´t comparing god-like cable to quasar only that he is a superior tp then anyone you have in that team. If cable could beat surfer trough tp he would have done so, yet he lost, no matter what everybody will say, god-like cable lost to surfer, and lost only when surfer wanted, has shown in the battle he could have end it anytime he wanted.
About the moondragon feat, he was able to withsand it and it is with mind gem, i don´t see psylocke and mimic causing a trouble they are no wear near moon with mind gem
Once again, as Surfer is fighting Quasar, the TP attack is only there to distract/irritate him ... if he takes his attention away from Quasar to "deal with it" then he'll lose, if he doesn't then he'll be slowed down because of it, which will also lead to him losing.
GL Cable never once mentally attacked Surfer so that comic has absolutely no relevance in this situation.
And again, Surfer has proved to be no faster than Quasar in a fight.
you don´t know that. and i´m saying the tp won´t bother him since he already withsand greater tp attacks, those will be easy to block. And if your telepaths focus on surfer, the rest of my team will have an advantage, if mimic and psylocke are distracted attacking surfer, they will more easily go down.
They are attacking Surfer after beating the rest of your team (as per my opening post)
They aren't necessary for the win over Surfer though, Quasar is capable of doing that on his own, this was just to speed it up a little.
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What time zone are you in Loot? (what time is it at the time of this post?)
Originally posted by Scoobless
They are attacking Surfer after beating the rest of your team (as per my opening post)They aren't necessary for the win over Surfer though, Quasar is capable of doing that on his own, this was just to speed it up a little.
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What time zone are you in Loot? (what time is it at the time of this post?)
Thats assuming your beating the rest of my team.
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if your in england, its one hour early in here. so now its 23:20
Ok.... getting close to the end now.
First, I've stuck to my opening strategy through the whole match while Loot has been forced to alter his a few times.
This is important because it shows that his plan wont work and will throw his team into disarray.
He's relying on Surfer to fight Quasar, cover his team in force fields, find/kill Psylocke, fight off psi-attacks, heal his team, telepathically link his team (which isn't even possible), manipulate holograms, carry teammates around, fire energy blasts, create more shields on the fly ... and some other stuff too.
Now, yes, Surfer can do all those things, but not at the same time and not when fighting Quasar who is of equal or greater power than the Surfer.
He's claiming superior speed is pretty much all Surfer needs to win the whole match by himself..... which is illogical as Quasar has shown plenty of times to be as fast as Surfer.
Surfer can fly at may, many, times lightspeed ... but the battlefield is only 20 miles across.... if he hits lightspeed at all he'll have less than a thousandth of a second before he smashes into an indestructible wall.... and that's only if he's at the farthest point from that wall.
This all means that he's limited to far less than lightspeed ..... which means he has no speed advantage over Quasar at all.
Surfer can't win a fight against Quasar with energy blasts as they would be easily blocked or absorbed, even an unarmoured Quasar can take energy blasts from Surfer without injury.... energy is Quasar's field of cosmic expertise.
The only real chance Surfer would have to inflict damage is to get physical.... something he has proved to be dreadful at..... and even then Quasar's armour can withstand any blow the Surfer would land.
Surfer is overtaxed, he's moving at sub light speeds and he will be caught by Quasar.
There's no way Surfer is easily breaking out of a force bubble composed of layered shielding, each stronger than the one shown above.
Surfer will not beat Quasar.
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I've explained a couple of times how and why the rest of my team will defeat the rest of Loot's "team" .... I say "team" as he seems to be completely dependant on the Sufer to carry him through the match.
