Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
It's the same with every Doc Ock fan. They're all pissed off because he's shown in the 90's to be a pansy on more than one account.
And you say I don't have my facts straight??
I know MANY Ock fans, and they agree the 90's was one of his best periods. Two awesome bouts with the Sinister Six, the near destruction of the Daily Bugle and kidnapping of MJ, the Web of Death arc just to name a few.
He was even instrumental in saving Spidey's life in the 90's. He cured him of a deadly virus he was dying of, because he wanted the personal pleasure of finishing off Spider-Man himself in a grand and glorious manner.
Considering that the guy's one of the more developed villains in Spider-Man's rogue's gallery, I think not. The guy's got over 100 comics to his name alone, most of them taking good looks into the character, and showing that he wasn't always just a cold blooded killer.Anyone who has read Lethal Protector would know that.
A developed villain is he?? So how is he developed then?? He loses his job because of his own stupidity, and in true idiotic fashion, he blames someone else.
Then what?? Oh yes, he stalks Spider-Man over and over. Nothing ever happens. Same crap again and again.
If a villain is really a decent rival, he affects the hero personally. Joker, Green Goblin, Bullseye etc. They've all severely hurt or killed people close to the hero.
Heck, even Doc Ock has been involved in the deaths and bashed and kidnapped people close to Peter, and he doesn't even have a personal vendetta with him.
What has Venom done?? NOTHING!!!
When you have hero and villain rivalry, it eventually culminates in some dramatic and devastating way. Venom and Spidey are in the exact same place they were when he was first introduced.
No, scratch that. Brock is in hospital because he tried to kill himself again, and the Scorpion is the new Venom 😄
Nope. Spider-Man's most classic rivalry is with Green Goblin. Please get it right. When the Spider-Man fans voted on who they thought was the best, they voted Spider-Man/Venom.Get the facts straight, please.
My facts are quite straight. it's you who has his head in the clouds.
Where is this vote?? How many people voted?? Because if you read ANYWHERE about the Green Goblin, he is cited as Spidey's deadliest foe.
Why?? Because he discovered his identity, and unlike ol' meat head Brock, he actually used it to hurt Peter. Killed Gwen, Peter's unborn baby, orchestrated the Clone Saga, nearly killed Aunt May, and so much more.
Not really. He's a pissed off short man with some extra arms. In just about any story I've read of him, that's how he comes across. I even read Spider-Man/Doc Ock year one, and he still comes across as the stereotypical mad scientist type.He's pretty lame. 😬 There's dozens of better mad scientists out there that are smarter, much more lethal, and better reads, such as Dr. Doom, Thanos, Magneto, High Evolutionary, etc.
Oh dear. I can see the ignorance is strong in this one.
If you think Ock has little depth, then you think the exact same can be said for Spider-Man, because their backgrounds are VERY similar.
Both science geeks as kids, both bullied in school, had no friends, unpopular with girls, lost a parent at a young age, and both acquired an amazing power in a radioactive lab accident.
But Peter chose to use great power with great responsibility, while Ock does the opposite. He uses it for his own selfish and evil gain. He's a product of his harsh upbringing.
He's what the Marvel writers call the Peter Parker gone bad.
Ock is mediocre at best. Learn to live, kiddo.
LOL! Oh, if anyone needs to learn, it's you 😄 Maybe you should eat some brains like ol' meathead. Or better yet, why don't you grow one 😉
Because Sam Raimi has an awesome judgment on what's good and not good, which is why we get about one good Spidey moment per movie. 🙄
Considering the Spidey movies are in the top 10 highest grossing movies of all time, and hailed as one of the greatest superhero movies ever, yeah I'd say Raimi is a good judge of what's good.
Brock didn't "just lose a job." He lost nearly everything in his livelyhood, but it's obvious you don't know much about Venom.
I know everything there is to know about him.
He lost his job because of his own dumb ass stupidity. Anyone with half a brain could see it. But that retard went and blamed someone else.
Like I said, weak and pathetic.
I'll let you in on a little secret. Brock was diagnosed with cancer, and is the result of an abused childhood, whose psychological profile shows a huge inferiority complex.
Diagnosed with cancer, about 15 years after being Venom. And what did they do with that storyline?? Had him slit his wrists and make Mac Gargan be the new Venom. LOL! 😄
If you're gonna give your opinion, have one with an educated backing, not just fanboyish rantings that lack depth and preception.
Oh, but I have all the facts. There is nothing you can tell me about Venom that I don't already know. Not a damn thing 😉
Go back to the Spider-man forums and piss and moan about Electro not being the second villain in the thrid movie.
Awwww, why am I exposing your weak arguements for the tripe that they are??
Tell me where to go and what to do?? Grow up!
Joker vs Batman of course. No greater antagonist than the clown prince of crime! Murdered Robin (Jason Todd), crippled Barbara Gordon, tortured Jim Gordon, and killed Gordon's wife. What a guy. Nothing is beyond him.
I really enjoy Dr Doom's rivalry with Reed Richards, and Spider-Man's with the Green Goblin.
Never thought much of Wolverine and Sabretooth's one. It had it's moments. But then I've really gone off Wolverine in the last few years. He's too overused IMO. And I hate the Spider-Man/Venom one. Venom is just a terrible villain IMO.
On that list, I like Batman vs. Joker, Spider Man vs. Green Goblin, and Captain America vs. Red Skull.
Punisher vs. Jigsaw shouldn't be up there. It doesn't even make sense, considering Frank kills nearly all his opponenets.
Maybe my favourite rivalry, is not on the list -
DAREDEVIL vs. KINGPIN. The mutual hatred they have is extrodinary. 👆
But of course Green Lantern and Sinestro. The whole origin of the yellow impurity and weakness to it and the whole origin of the Green energy is just amazing. When the devestating colors of energies crash you can see the total rival Sinestro and Hal Jordan one out for power and the other out to help the people around him.
I like batman joker becuz batman is so intelligent and heknows that joker is a murdering maniac. Joker is out of his mind and sick and so batman must always remember that joker isn't really acting of his own violition. he's sick and needs help. SO batman can't just like, beat him to a pulp as he would someone like bane or the man bat.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Yep. That's why the rest of the post was just senseless blather from someone whose central thought is "OMG DOC OCK IS TEH BEST EVAR!"You fail. Insert quarter and try again.
Translation: I cannot counter argue what you've said, so I'm just going to insult you.
You're pathetic.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Translation: I cannot counter argue what you've said, so I'm just going to insult you.You're pathetic.
You didn't make a valid point. Just a long rant with no backing. If you knew more about Venom, I'd love to have a debate about it.
But you don't. In fact, it's astonishing how little you know.
Insert quarter and try again.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
You didn't make a valid point. Just a long rant with no backing.
Yeah, sure.
You didn't make any valid points, but I entertained your silly ranting. Your only backing was poorly executed snide remarks.
Insert quarter and try again.
What, to try and make your brain function?? I don't think I have enough quarters for that 😄
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
You didn't make a valid point. Just a long rant with no backing. If you knew more about Venom, I'd love to have a debate about it.But you don't. In fact, it's astonishing how little you know.
Insert quarter and try again.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Yeah, sure.You didn't make any valid points, but I entertained your silly ranting. Your only backing was poorly executed snide remarks.
What, to try and make your brain function?? I don't think I have enough quarters for that 😄
You two done bitching like 8 year olds yet ?
Originally posted by Rewmac
But of course Green Lantern and Sinestro. The whole origin of the yellow impurity and weakness to it and the whole origin of the Green energy is just amazing. When the devestating colors of energies crash you can see the total rival Sinestro and Hal Jordan one out for power and the other out to help the people around him.
Oh man, I forgot about them. I Love Sinestro, too. That's another rivalry fav of mine.