Mr. Mxy and Batmite vs. Reed with the UN and THanos with the IG

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Going from world devourer to brother to Eternity is a change in status not power. Back then, what other cosmic being was there for him to fight? He didn't have Aegis and Tenebrous back then, so we don't know how he would have faired if he would have fought them back then.

But he wasn't shown as being as powerful as he is today. The korvak thing happened along time ago. and so did the beyonder saga. there have been cosmics around for a long time. Galactus is more powerful than Odin and Galactus back in the day was only shown as being as powerful as a hand full of planets. So he had to have grown in power. Thus making the UN aslo grow in power. It states right on panel that the UN would destroy the Universe. then years later, the Un is able to destroy and fix the Multiverse. IRGo the UN grew in power and as a part of Big G, so did galactus.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But he wasn't shown as being as powerful as he is today. The korvak thing happened along time ago. and so did the beyonder saga. there have been cosmics around for a long time. Galactus is more powerful than Odin and Galactus back in the day was only shown as being as powerful as a hand full of planets. So he had to have grown in power. Thus making the UN aslo grow in power. It states right on panel that the UN would destroy the Universe. then years later, the Un is able to destroy and fix the Multiverse. IRGo the UN grew in power and as a part of Big G, so did galactus.

So, you are saying that from back when Galactus was just a world devourer and only as powerful as "a hand full of planets" to his status now as the brother of Eternity, his power has grown, so obviously the UN's power has grown. Galactus was officially "promoted" to brother of Eternity and Death back in '83. The Infinity War happened in '92. If Galactus' power level was increased somewhere else between '92 and '01, then I missed it. If he did, show me, and I will gladly conceed.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' know about that.Odin doesn't seem to have been retconned. But your being unfair, your asking for somthing stating big g has gotten more powerful while at the same time saying odin is less powerful with no retconn in place.

I'm not being unfair in saying this. Odin used to be able to affect the multiverse. Since his classic days, he hasn't shown anything near this power level. Neither has Thor since he inherited Odin's power. Other than Galactus' role being upgraded to third force in the universe, his power level hasn't increased drastically. He still devours worlds like he used to, and he's still one of the most powerful beings in the universe just like the Watcher called him back then.

I'm not particularly sure why you need to prove that Galactus has grown in power for the UN to have grown in power, nvrbeenwthgrl. I think an easier argument is that nobody before Reed realized the true power of the UN. Reed was one of the few who could discern the true nature of the UN and what it could possibly do. I mean, everybody thought the UN before 'Abraxas' was just used to destroy, but Reed used it to destroy and recreate. For my two cents, I still adhere to "UN > IG" and all my reasons and arguments have already been espoused in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433731&highlight=userid%3A77143

Just to say it, I usually agree with a lot of nvrbeenwthgrl's conclusions, but he just likes to argue from impossible positions sometimes. It's like his hobby.

For the thread topic, I think Reed and hell, why not Thanos (since he seems to be half-decent in a battle of wits), they just trick Mxy and outwit him. I dunno, Reed says he's smarter than Mxy and challenges him with some mathematical equation that ends up with Mxy solving it but spelling his name backwards and poof. Not sure what Batmite does. Last comic I saw him in, his universe was getting owned by Bane-mite and he asked for help, I forgot from who.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm not particularly sure why you need to prove that Galactus has grown in power for the UN to have grown in power, nvrbeenwthgrl. I think an easier argument is that nobody before Reed realized the true power of the UN. Reed was one of the few who could discern the true nature of the UN and what it could possibly do. I mean, everybody thought the UN before 'Abraxas' was just used to destroy, but Reed used it to destroy and recreate. For my two cents, I still adhere to "UN > IG" and all my reasons and arguments have already been espoused in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433731&highlight=userid%3A77143

Just to say it, I usually agree with a lot of nvrbeenwthgrl's conclusions, but he just likes to argue from impossible positions sometimes. It's like his hobby.

For the thread topic, I think Reed and hell, why not Thanos (since he seems to be half-decent in a battle of wits), they just trick Mxy and outwit him. I dunno, Reed says he's smarter than Mxy and challenges him with some mathematical equation that ends up with Mxy solving it but spelling his name backwards and poof. Not sure what Batmite does. Last comic I saw him in, his universe was getting owned by Bane-mite and he asked for help, I forgot from who.

SHH dont' tell any body. But it's fun to argue from the impossible. ANd you are correct, I have been saying that Reed is a much better user of the UN than quasar.

Now I understand why your name is: OneDumbG0

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Now I understand why your name is: OneDumbG0

But his argument is flawless and perfectly logical. But genious only reconizes genious while the masses tend to consume what ever meat is put in front of them as the truth.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No he didn't. He erased the Marvel Multiverse. Not the omniverse.

He erased Multiversal Death, and created an infinite universe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But his argument is flawless and perfectly logical. But genious only reconizes genious while the masses tend to consume what ever meat is put in front of them as the truth.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
A [B]genius would be able to spell it correctly. [/B]

Yeah what ever. Einstein was a genious and couldn't spell at the well. Neither could Picaso. So What Ever.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yeah what ever. Einstein was a genious and couldn't spell at the well. Neither could Picaso. So What Ever.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Eistein had many flawed theories that were proven wrong, Picaso was only good with a brush.

Doesn't negate thier genious or how ever you spell it.

Thanos with the IG wins alone.

Mxy only erased a Multi-verse, NOT the DC Omniverse, although the Word Omniverse has probably never even appeared in DC.

"No more Infinite Earths, no more Alternate Universes, no more pasts and no more futures, no more duperdopes, no more anything"

"No more Infinite Earths, no more Alternate Universes"

(that's a Multi-verse)

A Multiverse is an Infinite number of alternate/divergent Universes.

the IG having to be gauged by the Living Tribunal, (the second MOST powerful entity in Marvel) before he handed down his Judgement..

Here he DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT

An Incomplete IG was controlling Three Universes while merging Two of those in an instant (this alone makes it Multiversal)

An Incomplete IG completely controlled the power/enrgies of the UN (which can erase and remake a Multiverse)

A Complete IG became the entire 616 Universe, in the hands of Thanos was never defeated, Thanos defeated himself.

A Complete IG in the hands of Warlock forced the Living Tribunal in on the Action, knowing Warlock had the power to devastate everything, without the Will to control it like Thanos.

The Living Tribunal has held MEGAVERSES in his hand On Panel.

And a MEGAVERSE is a collection of Multiverses.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Mxy only erased a Multi-verse, NOT the DC Omniverse, although the Word Omniverse has probably never even appeared in DC.

"No more Infinite Earths, no more Alternate Universes, no more pasts and no more futures, no more duperdopes, no more anything"

"No more Infinite Earths, no more Alternate Universes"

(that's a Multi-verse)

A Multiverse is an Infinite number of alternate/divergent Universes.

Mxy erased the infinite earths (one multiverse), the kingdom( another multiverse) the DCU ( another multiverse) thanks. he erased the omniverse. No more anything. no more vertigo multiverse or anything.

Originally posted by Mr Master
the IG having to be gauged by the Living Tribunal, (the second MOST powerful entity in Marvel) before he handed down his Judgement..

Here he DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT

An Incomplete IG was controlling Three Universes while merging Two of those in an instant (this alone makes it Multiversal)

An Incomplete IG completely controlled the power/enrgies of the UN (which can erase and remake a Multiverse)

A Complete IG became the entire 616 Universe, in the hands of Thanos was never defeated, Thanos defeated himself.

A Complete IG in the hands of Warlock forced the Living Tribunal in on the Action, knowing Warlock had the power to devastate everything, without the Will to control it like Thanos.

The Living Tribunal has held MEGAVERSES in his hand On Panel.

And a MEGAVERSE is a collection of Multiverses.

The IG became the 616, not the multiverse. The living tribunal of course doesn't want a universe destroyed. He is the watcher of all that is.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mxy erased the infinite earths (one multiverse), the kingdom( another multiverse) the DCU ( another multiverse) thanks. he erased the omniverse. No more anything. no more vertigo multiverse or anything.

What Mxy did was badass, but dont try to make more of it then it actually was.

Originally posted by Galan007
Vertigo= A Universe
The Kingdom= A Universe

What Mxy did was badass, but dont try to make more of it then it actually was.

actually no. The kingdom in itself is a mega verse. You must don't own it do you? THe Kingdom is every single story of every universe alternate timeline, multiverse, tanget universe, ever. The guardian was Diana and Clark's son. NOt a universe. Not to mention that Vertigo had to be a multiverse due to it's very nature of all time lines not being connected and contingent on each other. Not every single story in vertigo happened to be cannon to each other. thus making a multiverse. and the DCU has already been shown to be a multiverse. IE justice Lords and the episode where the lord of time created alternate time lines and the episose where the justice league met the justice society ripoffs.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
actually no. The kingdom in itself is a mega verse. You must don't own it do you? THe Kingdom is every single story of every universe alternate timeline, multiverse, tanget universe, ever. The guardian was Diana and Clark's son. NOt a universe. Not to mention that Vertigo had to be a multiverse due to it's very nature of all time lines not being connected and contingent on each other. Not every single story in vertigo happened to be cannon to each other. thus making a multiverse. and the DCU has already been shown to be a multiverse. IE justice Lords and the episode where the lord of time created alternate time lines and the episose where the justice league met the justice society ripoffs.

You don't really understand do you?

The IG had to be gauged by the Living Tribunal, (the second MOST powerful entity in Marvel) before he handed down his Judgement..

Here he DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT

Do you have any idea how powerful the Living Tribunal is?

Ok,

This is how the Omniverse is described according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)

Read the whole thing if you wish, but I just want to point out one part of it that corresponds to this thread.

"the REALMS with a Multiverse"

"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"

So a Megaverse is a collection of Multi-verses.

Ok,

Now we have the Living Tribunal On Panel holding the embodiments of TWO MEGAVERSES in his hand like the toys of a child.

"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things, feeling the flow of countless Realities, thier FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"

"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in his great scheme of things"

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"

"A Hand soon opening to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ... and ONLY this Judge knows why"

And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)

"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"

IG>Mxy & Batmite

with the UN its overkill.