Mr. Mxy and Batmite vs. Reed with the UN and THanos with the IG

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No just no. First of all, quasar using the uN is much differnt that say if REED or galactus was using it. @ndly, the magus could read minds. He could have done any number of things to redirect the blast. Hell ,Blink could put a portal in front of thanos blast and hit him with his own blast. is she now stronger than Thanos? the theory does not hold up at all. The IG is not more powerful than the UN.

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Great theories. But this isn't what happened on panel.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
"Within the confines of what is, [b]A NEW SUPREME BEING STEPS FORTH"

"And A CHAMPION FAR FROM HIS HOME learns that THE WORD 'ULTIMATE' --

"...CARRIES LITTLE WEIGHT in this CURRENT CONTEST OF TITANS"

If it isn't crystal clear to you yet, the narration should. The word "ULTIMATE" carries little weight in a contest between the IG (incomplete) and the Ultimate Nullifier. [/B]

A wish from Magus and an incomplete IG turns the UN's power on Quasar and retrieves it from space.

Admit it, the narration, Magus' words, and the on panel depiction is obvious to all. The IG > UN. Magus was even putting much effort.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You don't really understand do you?

The IG had to be gauged by the Living Tribunal, (the second MOST powerful entity in Marvel) before he handed down his Judgement..

Here he DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT

Do you have any idea how powerful the Living Tribunal is?

Ok,

This is how the Omniverse is described according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)

Read the whole thing if you wish, but I just want to point out one part of it that corresponds to this thread.

"the REALMS with a Multiverse"

"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"

So a Megaverse is a collection of Multi-verses.

Ok,

Now we have the Living Tribunal On Panel holding the embodiments of TWO MEGAVERSES in his hand like the toys of a child.

"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things, feeling the flow of countless Realities, thier FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"

"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in his great scheme of things"

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"

"A Hand soon opening to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ... and ONLY this Judge knows why"

And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)

"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"

IG>Mxy & Batmite

with the UN its overkill.

Pretty much, all proved.

Thanos and Reed take out 2 of DC's strongest. Wow thats awesome.

Actually the debate isn't won at all. hte IG is never shown on panel defeating the UN being used in any multiversal fashion. Until then, hte Ig is not above the UN. As a matter of fact, The UN is shown to be able to beat the LT and other marvel cosmics. Also, Mxy Erased several multiverses,i.e. the dc ominiverse and was able to beat the spectre. Batmites power was able to do any and every thing that the magus did with the Ig. I do sense some company favoritism with people's wishful thinking when it comes to the victor of this battle. onedumbgo said it best, Reed is the only one who used the UN the way that it was used. so you can't compare the magus defeating the Un being used by quasar to make the IG so powerful. Especially when there are other ig's out there.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually the debate isn't won at all. hte IG is never shown on panel defeating the UN being used in any multiversal fashion. Until then, hte Ig is not above the UN. As a matter of fact, The UN is shown to be able to beat the LT and other marvel cosmics. Also, Mxy Erased several multiverses,i.e. the dc ominiverse and was able to beat the spectre. Batmites power was able to do any and every thing that the magus did with the Ig. I do sense some company favoritism with people's wishful thinking when it comes to the victor of this battle. onedumbgo said it best, Reed is the only one who used the UN the way that it was used. so you can't compare the magus defeating the Un being used by quasar to make the IG so powerful. Especially when there are other ig's out there.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually the debate isn't won at all. hte IG is never shown on panel defeating the UN being used in any multiversal fashion. Until then, hte Ig is not above the UN. As a matter of fact, The UN is shown to be able to beat the LT and other marvel cosmics. Also, Mxy Erased several multiverses,i.e. the dc ominiverse and was able to beat the spectre. Batmites power was able to do any and every thing that the magus did with the Ig. I do sense some company favoritism with people's wishful thinking when it comes to the victor of this battle. onedumbgo said it best, Reed is the only one who used the UN the way that it was used. so you can't compare the magus defeating the Un being used by quasar to make the IG so powerful. Especially when there are other ig's out there.

Quasar had to concentrate just to direct the UN's blast at Magus alone. If Quasar would have broken concentration for even a moment, the energies released from the UN would have destroyed the universe WITHOUT HIM EVEN TRYING TO DO SO.

Reed actually tried to wipe out and recreate several universes with the UN. No one has EVER tried to use it in such a way besides him!

The only way we could say for sure that the UN has gotten more powerful, is if Quasar would have tried to wipe out several universes with the UN, and would have failed. Did that ever happen ❌

So we can't say that the UN couldn't have done that years ago since no one ever tried........ Get it?

Magus with an Incomplete IG controlled ALL of the UN's energies, turned them back on Quasar, and then teleported the UN to his location.

Face it, Magus had COMPLETE control over those energies.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait a second, aren't you the one who said that the Anti Monitor would still be a multiversal power even though he had less power than a single complete universe at the time of COIE, because they've now rectoned DC's creation? Because if your going to say that the UN wasn't as powerful during the IG Saga(so the incomplete IG stopping it wasn't multiversal), then you should also be willing to admit that AM was never really a multiversal entity by Marvel's standards(since all he had was the power of an incomplete universe). So do rectons affect past feats and power levels or not?

IG>mxy

Originally posted by xmeat
IG>mxy

Reading the issue now. That made 😂 when they hit Spectre. IG>UN

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I never mentioned the one. I was talking about all the other big g's who died and made the 616 very powerful and important. where do you see me mention the one?

Originally posted by starlock
Nvrbeenwthagirl,very good debating skills,it seems some people will put words in your mouth,when they are actually the ones saying them,
i wonder why noone answered your questtion,about why galactus is more important,now that*other galactus's have died*
You made me re-think my view on the Infinity gauntlet
i will have to read some more on this team of yours

Thank you very much. alot of people on this forum chose to think that the IG is superior to the Un becuz of a simply rediculous argument that becuz the magus controlled the IG years ago, that it is somehow multiversal and superior to the UN that reed used in a much different way. The total sillyness of that argument is just aweinspiring that such intelligent people can't see that that is scientifically unsound. That is like me saying just becuz DS at one point was afraid of IM's power and banished him, he would still be afraid of IM's power today. The IG has never been shown to be multiversal in the fashion that it could control and entire multiverse at one time. Hell we know the heart of the universe is superior to the IG, and even it controllign a multiverse is under question and the book said universe many times.