Originally posted by General Kenobl
What BS!!I do not have evidence what were Sidious's intentions or why he didn't use the Force in that duel. Overconfidence perhaps? This argument was heavily debated in the VS. Forum, and the general conclusion is that Sidious > Windu because even though he's not better in terms of the lightsaber, his powerful Force skill makes up for it. And DE Sidious or TPM Sidious can definately slay Mace.
Umm, a Non Sequiter! What does being charge of an Empire have anything to do with going against the unexpected and facing the 2nd most powerful Jedi?
It was not a neutral setting and it was clearly biased against Yoda. I mean, people say Yoda lost, however, he only lost because the Force of reflecting Sidious's lightning pushed him from the pod and he fell. On a flat surface like the Geonosis hangar bay, that would not have happened.
Lol, it's logic. Deal with it!
😆 Er....well if it actually made sense I would argue this.....
THis is all pure speculation based on your views. There is no canon evidence to substantiate your views on the matter.
THis is all pure speculation based on your views. There is no canon evidence to substantiate your views on the matter.
I believe in a George Lucas interview, he said that Sidious's Lightning was faked but he said nothing about the lightsaber duel....
W/e, though it's not exactly proven, it's generally believed, especially by most people of the SW VS. Forum.
Yoda lost because he couldn't compete. He was cocky. He chose to run away.
Please, he ran away because he knew it would be fruitless to continue fighting the Emperor and risk his life and all (I mean, he just fell like what sixty feet from a Senate pod?).
And again, it was unfair setting for Yoda to fight in. Not nuetral at all. I mean, Yoda was able to deflect Sidious's lightning with his bare hands and reflect it back at Palpatine even though he lost his saber.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
Please, he ran away because he knew it would be fruitless to continue fighting the Emperor and risk his life and all (I mean, he just fell like what sixty feet from a Senate pod?).And again, it was unfair setting for Yoda to fight in. Not nuetral at all. I mean, Yoda was able to deflect Sidious's lightning with his bare hands and reflect it back at Palpatine even though he lost his saber.
Wait, wasn't his point to go there and kill the Emperor?
Doesn't that innately involve risk of life? Doens't that involve a little dedication to a fight?
Yoda rushed into a fight cocky, he couldn't compete.
dude your on crack your just a sidious fan yoda lost cause hese 3 ft tall weights 15 pounds and fell from the pod. and its only 60 ft lets see you through a baby 60ft down and still have the power to get up never mind live. and theres a difrence form jumping down 60ft and falling down 60ft and as far as couldnt compete he wone every sward lock and was blind sided by lighting in the end but still had the power to berak it
Originally posted by Lee-San28
when was he cocky to begin with???????
He told Kenobi that essentially only he was good enough ot defeat the Emperor.
He backtalked the emperor, repeatedly.
He was arrogant, somethign even Sidious noticed.
He was so busy gradstanding the Emperor that he didn't even anticipate the lightning.
Yoda continuously mocked the Emperor.
Not very Jedi like, now is it.
Since when do fights have to be on neutral ground?
In the VS. Forum, if we wish to have a fair fight that accurately judges an opponents power over the other, it's typically in a neutral setting, where a duel can't be stalled and stuff. Example: Mustafar.
Wait, wasn't his point to go there and kill the Emperor?Doesn't that innately involve risk of life? Doens't that involve a little dedication to a fight?
Yoda rushed into a fight cocky, he couldn't compete.
Yes, but he realized that it's too risky to fight the Emperor. I mean, he almost got killed out there, and he barely survived that Lightning blast. He knows that he needs to survive, to preserve the Jedi Order.
dude your on crack your just a sidious fan yoda lost cause hese 3 ft tall weights 15 pounds and fell from the pod. and its only 60 ft lets see you through a baby 60ft down and still have the power to get up never mind live. and theres a difrence form jumping down 60ft and falling down 60ft and as far as couldnt compete he wone every sward lock and was blind sided by lighting in the end but still had the power to berak it
Despite the spelling, this is actually correct.
But isn't he sooooooo great in the Force?
He fought against the likes of Palpatine, the most powerful Sith in existence, and managed to stalement. That's impressive.
He told Kenobi that essentially only he was good enough ot defeat the Emperor.He backtalked the emperor, repeatedly.
He was arrogant, somethign even Sidious noticed.
He was so busy gradstanding the Emperor that he didn't even anticipate the lightning.
Yoda continuously mocked the Emperor.
Not very Jedi like, now is it.
1) Kenobi isn't even better than Count Dooku. He'll have no chance in hell against the Emperor. Besides, only Obi-Wan can find Anakin and kill him.
2) He wanted an engagement with Palpatine, which does involve some arrogance.
3) Obviously, he didn't to jump on to the Emperor's pod to continue engagement? Sidious took advantage by bombarding him with Lightning, and even though this almost killed Mace WITH a lightsaber, Yoda with his bare hands reflected it.
4) Yoda's probably the most prodigal of Jedi. Every Jedi has some bad qualities or another. Mace is a badass. Anakin is arrogant. Obi-Wan is reckless at times.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
In the VS. Forum, if we wish to have a fair fight that accurately judges an opponents power over the other, it's typically in a neutral setting, where a duel can't be stalled and stuff. Example: Mustafar.
Can't remember any SW chararcter fighting in the VS. Forum.
All's fair in love and war, neutral ground is something for sports, not war.
If I recall Yoda and Sidious did start on neutral ground. There was nothing giving either competitor the advantage. By the end of the duel Yoda was on the ground fleeing while Sidious was still on top. To me this proves that a)Sidious is the better duellist or b)He is the smarter duellist for getting into a position that would be beneficial to him eg the Senate Pod. Yoda had all the same opportunities at the beginning but didnt use them, whereas Sidious did - making him the winner.
If I recall Yoda and Sidious did start on neutral ground. There was nothing giving either competitor the advantage. By the end of the duel Yoda was on the ground fleeing while Sidious was still on top. To me this proves that a)Sidious is the better duellist or b)He is the smarter duellist for getting into a position that would be beneficial to him eg the Senate Pod. Yoda had all the same opportunities at the beginning but didnt use them, whereas Sidious did - making him the winner.
Rampant, what neutral ground are you talking about? They both jumped on a pod and started fighting, and one of them accidently pressed the elevate button and they entered the Senate chamber. Yoda's diminuitiveness was a total disadvantage in that arena. And yet he was able to reflect Sidious's Lightning right back at him. However, the opposite reaction knocked him down 60 ft because he was on the edge of a pod.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
Rampant, what neutral ground are you talking about? They both jumped on a pod and started fighting, and one of them accidently pressed the elevate button and they entered the Senate chamber. Yoda's diminuitiveness was a total disadvantage in that arena. And yet he was able to reflect Sidious's Lightning right back at him. However, the opposite reaction knocked him down 60 ft because he was on the edge of a pod.
They didnt start on the pod though. They start on flat ground in a room next to the Senate Pod if I recall correctly - a room that gave neither competitior an advantage. It was either Yoda's foolishness or Sidious' skill that forced them on to the pod. But the fact is it started neutral and ended in Sids favour.