Real Physics Vs. Comic Physics

Originally posted by Alfheim
As for the Qi gong master flying back into a wall. Energy fields explains it, as far as I know everything has an electromagnetic field. When you meditate you tap into it. For example when I meditate my temperatue increases eventhough im not even moving.

no, not to be blunt, but that is probably better understood as a hindsight or conformation bias.

Electromagnetic fields and "energies" play much less of a roll in the human experience than some people would like others to believe.

Think about it, if you have an EM field, or if the EM fields in your brain were that crucial and important and powerful, wouldn't magnets be intensely dangerous?

Originally posted by ThePittman
Well if you don’t have a base for a power of weapon then how can you say it will do something that hasn’t happened in the comics?

base power is based on how it is shown in the comics

Its really deadly to bring in real world science to PROVE things in these debates

It is less objectionable to use them as analogies. For instance, when it says on panel that Magneto has full control of the EM spectrum (or whatever) we have to assume that the Marvel Universe's EM spectrum is at least similar enough to the one we use for it to be relevant for the writers to have used that term.

I know everyone is tired of talking about Storm, but she is a great example. Her powers of weather control, if you try to explain them in a purely scientific fashion, especially the mechanisms behind her powers, she turns into a god like matter manipulator with full EM control and yadda yadda yadda. It makes sense, given all the minute changes that must occur at many levels for mass weather patters to change, but at the same time, changes the nature of her character completely.

Originally posted by inamilist
no, not to be blunt, but that is probably better understood as a hindsight or conformation bias.

Huh? You mean I saw what I wanted to see..lol

Originally posted by inamilist

Electromagnetic fields and "energies" play much less of a roll in the human experience than [b]some people would like others to believe.

Think about it, if you have an EM field, or if the EM fields in your brain were that crucial and important and powerful, wouldn't magnets be intensely dangerous? [/B]

Well I guess so, at any rate when you meditate you can feel this energy. The Chinese call it Chi and they said the nearest thing in physics that it is similar to is Electromagnetic energy. Electromagnetic energy is the only explanation I can think of which expalins some of the things that happen.

As far as I know electromagnetic energy at certain doses is actually good for you and when it courses through your body it has a similar feeling as you get when you meditate.

Originally posted by inamilist
no, not to be blunt, but that is probably better understood as a hindsight or conformation bias.

Electromagnetic fields and "energies" play much less of a roll in the human experience than [b]some people would like others to believe.

Think about it, if you have an EM field, or if the EM fields in your brain were that crucial and important and powerful, wouldn't magnets be intensely dangerous? [/B]

For that matter I wouldn't want to stand at either pole if they were. Magnets though are more to do with quantum domain theory and connective subatomic forces than the E.M. spectrum of course, which I am sure having read how good many of your posts are you are aware of.

Excellent point by the way.

The thing is almost everything is part of the E.M. field visible light, U.V. Infrared, Microwaves etc all fall along it. Amplitude is often the issue when we talk about E.M. fields. The bigger the force behind a wave the more powerful that wave is. Frequency of course also plays a role as coherent E.M. energy is focused and therefore more intense as it all travels at the same rate.

You are of course right though I think we should forget real world Physics in comics.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Huh? You mean I saw what I wanted to see..lol

Well I guess so, at any rate when you meditate you can feel this energy. The Chinese call it Chi and they said the nearest thing in physics that it is similar to is Electromagnetic energy. Electromagnetic energy is the only explanation I can think of which expalins some of the things that happen.

As far as I know electromagnetic energy at certain doses is actually good for you and when it courses through your body it has a similar feeling as you get when you meditate.

Right off the bat, I want to say, no, you did not "see what you wanted to". To be honest, I think that is a really disrespectful phrase, because if I were saying that, it would basically be the same as me saying "You are deluded because you refuse to see things my way".

You did really see and perceive the things you are talking about. However, from a strictly psychological standpoint, the type of introspection you are using to explain them is at best deceptive. Not just for you, for any of us, and in much more banal circumstances. It is the same as the way that you interpret the actions of a person as being associated to the "personality" you perceive them as having.

So, in the cases of the Qi Gong and the Meditation, you have a stimuli that you are not absolutely sure of the origin of. Master flying into wall and body heat increasing respectively. Your mind will fill in that origin without you being aware of it, so the fact that you know that chi energy flows through you will when you meditate will cause you to associate that explanation with the phenomena. There is also the case that subconsciously holding a belief about something will alter your perception of the events. In this case, because you associate a increase in temperature with chi activity, you will REALLY get warmer when you meditate.

I'm really optimistic about the future of research into meditation, I think there are many things that Eastern philosophies are thousands of years ahead of us in understanding. However, they are as far behind us in scientific understanding (this is much less true of modern times, this is more of an explanation of, oh, maybe just before "the last Samurai" took place). A better way of putting this would be, "I wouldn't trust a 2000 year old philosophy to answer questions of modern science".

Originally posted by inamilist
Right off the bat, I want to say, no, you did not "see what you wanted to". To be honest, I think that is a really disrespectful phrase, because if I were saying that, it would basically be the same as me saying "You are deluded because you refuse to see things my way".

You did really see and perceive the things you are talking about. However, from a strictly psychological standpoint, the type of introspection you are using to explain them is at best deceptive. Not just for you, for any of us, and in much more banal circumstances. It is the same as the way that you interpret the actions of a person as being associated to the "personality" you perceive them as having.

So, in the cases of the Qi Gong and the Meditation, you have a stimuli that you are not absolutely sure of the origin of. Master flying into wall and body heat increasing respectively. Your mind will fill in that origin without you being aware of it, so the fact that you know that chi energy flows through you will when you meditate will cause you to associate that explanation with the phenomena. There is also the case that subconsciously holding a belief about something will alter your perception of the events. In this case, because you associate a increase in temperature with chi activity, you will REALLY get warmer when you meditate.

I'm really optimistic about the future of research into meditation, I think there are many things that Eastern philosophies are thousands of years ahead of us in understanding. However, they are as far behind us in scientific understanding (this is much less true of modern times, this is more of an explanation of, oh, maybe just before "the last Samurai" took place). A better way of putting this would be, "I wouldn't trust a 2000 year old philosophy to answer questions of modern science".

Fair enough, thats a very reasonable response to my thread. I personaly do belive in the supernatural BUT at the sametime I know I could be wrong. I personaly think that humans have great potential but im just not sure what it is. There is some evidence to indicate that the supernatural exists but its not clear cut.

Im sure sooner or later though I will find out, but im also interested in areas of research such as Cybernetics.

Originally posted by By Crom!
For that matter I wouldn't want to stand at either pole if they were. Magnets though are more to do with quantum domain theory and connective subatomic forces than the E.M. spectrum of course, which I am sure having read how good many of your posts are you are aware of.

Excellent point by the way.

The thing is almost everything is part of the E.M. field visible light, U.V. Infrared, Microwaves etc all fall along it. Amplitude is often the issue when we talk about E.M. fields. The bigger the force behind a wave the more powerful that wave is. Frequency of course also plays a role as coherent E.M. energy is focused and therefore more intense as it all travels at the same rate.

You are of course right though I think we should forget real world Physics in comics.

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lol, with that post alone you showed you have 100x more knowledge of EM than I.

But yes, thank you, cosign and agree 💃 💃 💃

Originally posted by inamilist
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lol, with that post alone you showed you have 100x more knowledge of EM than I.

But yes, thank you, cosign and agree 💃 💃 💃

Seriously though, your posts are some of the most thought out and best on here.

Originally posted by By Crom!
Seriously though, your posts are some of the most thought out and best on here.

Sheesshh you've only been here a week I think.....

Originally posted by Alfheim
Sheesshh you've only been here a week I think.....

So you don't think he could have been looking at older posts by Inimalist?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you don't think he could have been looking at older posts by Inimalist?

Geeeezz calm down. Im just jealous.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Geeeezz calm down. Im just jealous.

Don't be, you're a generally very polite guy in threads. Which is also cool.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Geeeezz calm down. Im just jealous.

I'm quite calm don't worry.

Originally posted by By Crom!
Don't be, you're a generally very polite guy in threads. Which is also cool.

Awww shucks. I have to admit I can be a bit stubborn though. 🙁

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm quite calm don't worry.

Yes and like you said "I could have looked back" although I actually just meant "from what I have seen". Thanks for the support anyway mate. Although I won't compliment people ever again if I have to explain why to everyone. I do think Inamalist and Prof STD make some excellent posts at the moment.

Originally posted by inamilist
base power is based on how it is shown in the comics

Its really deadly to bring in real world science to PROVE things in these debates

It is less objectionable to use them as analogies. For instance, when it says on panel that Magneto has full control of the EM spectrum (or whatever) we have to assume that the Marvel Universe's EM spectrum is at least similar enough to the one we use for it to be relevant for the writers to have used that term.

I know everyone is tired of talking about Storm, but she is a great example. Her powers of weather control, if you try to explain them in a purely scientific fashion, especially the mechanisms behind her powers, she turns into a god like matter manipulator with full EM control and yadda yadda yadda. It makes sense, given all the minute changes that must occur at many levels for mass weather patters to change, but at the same time, changes the nature of her character completely.

awwwww shucks, you guys...... you guys!

Originally posted by Alfheim
Awww shucks. I have to admit I can be a bit stubborn though. 🙁

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Originally posted by ThePittman
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Yeah like that debate we had about Gambit and Cap. I kept telling you that you were wasting my time, well at least I can admit when im wrong....it happens too many times though....so im trying to think before the next time I say it. Same **** happened with Marvelprince.... 🙁

Originally posted by inamilist
awwwww shucks, you guys...... you guys!

Can you feel the love! Group hug, group hug! LOL

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah like that debate we had about Gambit and Cap. I kept telling you that you were wasting my time, well at least I can admit when im wrong....it happens too many times though....so im trying to think before the next time I say it. Same **** happened with Marvelprince.... 🙁

Can you feel the love! Group hug, group hug! LOL