ummm lets see loki and odin are minds that can controll the destroyer cause of there mastery i doubht there minds are as good as darkseids and please give me a feat where this thing has better reality manipulation then darkseid please, and celestial durability or not if its not essential to the universe it will be destroyed.
Originally posted by Evangel94
They only difference between the Destroyer Armor the celestials faced and a regular one is that all the souls of asgard including Odin was inside the armor. It also used the Odin Sword in that battle.Other than that, Any version Destroyer Armor has all the powers listed below:
-Enchanted by Odin and Twenty Marvel Pantheon Skyfather Leaders
-Near-Celestial Level Durability
-Disintegration beam
-Matter Manipulation
-Immunity to many magical forms of manipulation
-Above Class 100+ StrengthAnything short of a celestial cannot damage it. Also, you can't use mind manipulation on the Destroyer Armor. The only chance people have is to use attacks that affect the [b]soul
. Even then, you have to be near the host's body or have at least Odin level powers to exorcise the soul in the Destroyer Armor and send the soul back to the host body. [/B]
hmm, you may be right about psychic assault -- i've never seen anyone try that before, so i can't say. i know thor has taken control psychically of the destroyer and submerged its 'consciousness' beneathe his own when no one was supposed to be able to do that. i also know hulk has taken command of it over the maestro, and was able to do that because they shared a dna connection, or something . . .
i'm also uncertain whether or not the armor RETAINED the combined pantheonic power that the gods bestowed on it. i don't THINK it was given those powers at the time it was fashioned. those powers were granted later, for the purpose of battling the celestials.
thor with the odin power DID later obliterate the armor using mjollnir with desak animating it. that DOES call into question the true level of its power . . .
The only thing about Darkseid is, even when Kirby was doing him, he was still destined to be overthrown by Orion. So, he's not that all-powerful. And the Destroyer seems capable of defeating anyone under Celestial level...
Can Darkseid warp reality with the OE, change Destroyer into glass or something? I don't know.
Some info on the Destroyer's firepower -
The Destroyer projected bolts of an unknown form of energy which could shatter any known substance, including uru, the Asgardian metal from which Thor's hammer was made. The Destroyer could project magnetic energy and flames which reached solar levels of heat. It could transmute and rearrange atoms and molecules so as to change one form of matter into another. It could also alter the density of matter, and convert solid matter to liquid or vice versa. The Destroyer's most formidable weapon was its disintegrator beam, which could annihilate anything. To disintegrate something, the Destroyer would lower its visor; the destructive energy would build atop the visor and then fire outward from it.
Originally posted by leonidas
thor with the odin power DID later obliterate the armor using mjollnir with desak animating it. that DOES call into question the true level of its power . . .
Desak was literally wearing the armor, not animating it with his soul. He used his "anti-god" powers to 'merge' with the Destroyer. An exception can be made for that incident because:
1. The host body of Thor Girl was nearby, allowing Desak easy access to affect Loki's hold over the soul inside the Destroyer Armor.
2. The soul inside the Destroyer Armor didn't wish to fight Desak and was being driven against it's will by Loki.
3. Desak's whole plot driven "anti-god" powers were having an effect on the Destroyer's durability, which was completely enchanted by Skyfather Gods.
4. Before Desak merged with the Destroyer, he was completely immune any God's powers. When he did merge with the Destroyer Armor, Desak got a huge boost in power, but was now affected by Thor's Odin force. One could conclude that because he merged with an Asgardian construct, Desak lost his "immunity" to Asgardian God Energy. Which the gave Desak a metaphorical "chink in the armor" and Thor took advantage of that. It was the Odin Force's after all, that enchanted the Destroyer armor.
5. Dan Jurgens, in an interview after he finished writing King Thor, stated he never intended to finish the battle that way, and was informed by Marvel Editorial that he was getting fired and had to come up with a last minute solution. Chalk it up with last minute decision making and bad writing to get the story done on time.
6. Averaging out the Destroyer's history, we can see that the Destroyer's Durability has never been called into question. The Destroyer Armor has always been a dominating force capable of mass destruction. Thor has never been able to affect the Destroyer Armor like that before. Odin has stated that the Destroyer Armor is one of the few beings/creations capable of killing him. I tend to take Odin's word over Thor's.
7. King Thor went back in time and changed history. So the Destroyer Armor never encountered Desak and the battle never took place. 😎
Take all, some, or any of the reasons above, and we can excuse the Destroyer Armor this ONE time considering it's history of laying waste to anything in it's way.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Desak was literally wearing the armor, not animating it with his soul. He used his "anti-god" powers to 'merge' with the Destroyer. An exception can be made for that incident because:1. The host body of Thor Girl was nearby, allowing Desak easy access to affect Loki's hold over the soul inside the Destroyer Armor.
2. The soul inside the Destroyer Armor didn't wish to fight Desak and was being driven against it's will by Loki.
3. Desak's whole plot driven "anti-god" powers were having an effect on the Destroyer's durability, which was completely enchanted by Skyfather Gods.
4. Before Desak merged with the Destroyer, he was completely immune any God's powers. When he did merge with the Destroyer Armor, Desak got a huge boost in power, but was now affected by Thor's Odin force. One could conclude that because he merged with an Asgardian construct, Desak lost his "immunity" to Asgardian God Energy. Which the gave Desak a metaphorical "chink in the armor" and Thor took advantage of that. It was the Odin Force's after all, that enchanted the Destroyer armor.
5. Dan Jurgens, in an interview after he finished writing King Thor, stated he never intended to finish the battle that way, and was informed by Marvel Editorial that he was getting fired and had to come up with a last minute solution. Chalk it up with last minute decision making and bad writing to get the story done on time.
6. Averaging out the Destroyer's history, we can see that the Destroyer's Durability has never been called into question. The Destroyer Armor has always been a dominating force capable of mass destruction. Thor has never been able to affect the Destroyer Armor like that before. Odin has stated that the Destroyer Armor is one of the few beings/creations capable of killing him. I tend to take Odin's word over Thor's.
7. King Thor went back in time and changed history. So the Destroyer Armor never encountered Desak and the battle never took place. 😎
Take all, some, or any of the reasons above, and we can excuse the Destroyer Armor this ONE time considering it's history of laying waste to anything in it's way.
interesting bits of info. 🙂 i'll take your word for all that. it's a bit speculatory, but you raised a LOT of questions about the event, so i don't mind saying it may have been PIS'ish.
thor HAS ko'd the destroyer in the past though. it was an odd ko, but in thor . . . 224 (?? -- not 100% . . .) anyway, the same issue where firelord fought thor and herc, herc brought the animating body to the site of the battle and the host's FRIEND came along for the ride. anyway, as thor was battling the armor, the host's FRIEND called out to the destroyer, distracting it for a moment. at which point thor proceeded to ko the destroyer with a single hammer shot. after it was ko'd the soul of the host drifted back to the unconscious host.
i understand that odin himself has shown fear of the destroyer (i've always thought that a little odd since HE was the one who originally enchanted the armor) and i said long ago that i really don't know what DS could do against it. but between that odd ko by thor and the desak incident (not to mention ben grim has battled the destroyer 1on1 for a prolonged time and so has hulk) the destroyer himself has not ALWAYS been without some mediocre showings. 😬
still, i can't say for sure that DS could affect the armor directly, (if the OE doesn't work, DS is screwed) and i'm not sure the OE could be used to affect the soul animating the armor.
one thing i DO wonder about is whether or not DS could somehow retrieve the host using the OE -- wherever he/she is -- and win that way. DS is NOT stupid by any stretch, and it is not out of the question that he could use the OE to teleport the host to the battlesite and deal with the destroyer that way.
part of what makes it such a tough call is that we've seen it fight thor, and we've seen it fight celestials. not much middle ground upon which to judge how it might fare on someone much greater than one, and much less than the other.
Originally posted by leonidas
be interesting if ds's tp could wipe out the mind of whoever is animating the armor.i don't think it is clear the OE could wipe out the destroyer even IF this is the kirby 'all-powerful' version. afterall, kirby ALSO intro'd the destroyer. 🙂 if there is no one really 'special' animating teh armor, i'd say DS beats him hands down. if odin is working the armor, then it's an entirely different story . . .
If King Thor throwing Moljnir can take out the destroyer then Pre Crisis Omega effect vapourises it no problem.
Kirby states; Darksied = Galactus, Galactus > Celestials.
Originally posted by roughrider
The only thing about Darkseid is, even when Kirby was doing him, he was still destined to be overthrown by Orion. So, he's not that all-powerful. And the Destroyer seems capable of defeating anyone under Celestial level...
Can Darkseid warp reality with the OE, change Destroyer into glass or something? I don't know.
Yes its prophesied that Orion would eventually kill Darksied, as Drax would kill Thanos. Id know id rather fight Drax over Thanos any day of the week,
Case Dismissed !
Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
If King Thor throwing Moljnir can take out the destroyer then Pre Crisis Omega effect vapourises it no problem.Kirby states; Darksied = Galactus, Galactus > Celestials.
Kirby's Darkseid does not equal Galactus, on proof evidence out weighs kirby'statements. If u believe Kirby on this one, then u totally contradict ur Marvel Hand Book disrespect thread.
BtW, Galactus is not greater than all the celestials.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Desak was literally wearing the armor, not animating it with his soul. He used his "anti-god" powers to 'merge' with the Destroyer. An exception can be made for that incident because:1. The host body of Thor Girl was nearby, allowing Desak easy access to affect Loki's hold over the soul inside the Destroyer Armor.
2. The soul inside the Destroyer Armor didn't wish to fight Desak and was being driven against it's will by Loki.
3. Desak's whole plot driven "anti-god" powers were having an effect on the Destroyer's durability, which was completely enchanted by Skyfather Gods.
4. Before Desak merged with the Destroyer, he was completely immune any God's powers. When he did merge with the Destroyer Armor, Desak got a huge boost in power, but was now affected by Thor's Odin force. One could conclude that because he merged with an Asgardian construct, Desak lost his "immunity" to Asgardian God Energy. Which the gave Desak a metaphorical "chink in the armor" and Thor took advantage of that. It was the Odin Force's after all, that enchanted the Destroyer armor.
5. Dan Jurgens, in an interview after he finished writing King Thor, stated he never intended to finish the battle that way, and was informed by Marvel Editorial that he was getting fired and had to come up with a last minute solution. Chalk it up with last minute decision making and bad writing to get the story done on time.
6. Averaging out the Destroyer's history, we can see that the Destroyer's Durability has never been called into question. The Destroyer Armor has always been a dominating force capable of mass destruction. Thor has never been able to affect the Destroyer Armor like that before. Odin has stated that the Destroyer Armor is one of the few beings/creations capable of killing him. I tend to take Odin's word over Thor's.
7. King Thor went back in time and changed history. So the Destroyer Armor never encountered Desak and the battle never took place. 😎
Take all, some, or any of the reasons above, and we can excuse the Destroyer Armor this ONE time considering it's history of laying waste to anything in it's way.
Based on you're usual contempt to making stuff up, I don't believe any of this. No offense ! 😉
Originally posted by Priest
Kirby's Darkseid does not equal Galactus, on proof evidence out weighs kirby'statements. If u believe Kirby on this one, then u totally contradict ur Marvel Hand Book disrespect thread.
BtW, Galactus is not greater than all the celestials.
Kirby created both Galactus and Darksied (Therefore his opinion is most valid) and is one of the most respected writers of all time, to my knowledge he has yet to have EVER written any of the Handbooks, so you're reference is irrelevant. You clearly don't understand the original intention of my thread. 🙄