The Asgardian Destroyer vs Kirby Darkseid

Started by Evangel946 pages
Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
I've told u I cannot, but I know you cannot as well, even if you own the comic and own a scanner. 😖hifty:

Let me get this straight. You want me to do to all the work for you, by posting scans, because you can't do it yourself? The burden of evidence is on you and only you because you made the claim I was lying. So either prove it with scans, stop trying to avoid the debate, or take back what you said.

If you cannot prove what you said, then your statement is baseless. People making statements about comics is fine, BUT accusing others of lying actually requires comic scan evidence to back up your claim which you've stated you cannot provide.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Let me get this straight. You want me to do to all the work for you, by posting scans, because you can't do it yourself? The burden of evidence is on you and only you

This is like arguing with a 10 year old !!!!!! You wont post the scans because you are lazy, Oh how convenient. 🙄 I wouldn't be making such a big deal, but YOU are the one who has started this whole, 'I am holier than thou, as I own a scanner' debacle. Why wont you really post the scans. I wonder ?😖hifty: As-least I've admitted why i can't, you're just being evasive.

Originally posted by Evangel94
because you made the claim I was lying. So either prove it with scans, stop trying to avoid the debate, or take back what you said.

Not trying to avoid the debate, but i think someone else is ... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
So instead of reading the wiki site, you want ME to copy and paste it ? So you're not only Ignorant, u like wasting peoples time as well ? 🙄

I dont want to read a fan site, if ur certain that darkseid and Galactus are equals in terms of powers, im sure u can list many feats off the top of your head to prove me wrong otherwise. 🙄
or just say galactus > Kirbys darkseid and we can call it a day.

Originally posted by Priest
I dont want to read a fan site, if ur certain that darkseid and Galactus are equals in terms of powers, im sure u can list many feats off the top of your head to prove me wrong otherwise. 🙄
or just say galactus > Kirbys darkseid and we can call it a day.

'r just say galactus > Kirbys darkseid and we can call it a day.'

Originally posted by Priest
im sure u can list many feats off the top of your head

The prologue was a short back up story where Shadow Lass and Lar Gand (Mon-El) accidentally land on a dead world drifting through uncharted space. The entire planet was barren except for a single tomb, guarded by small automated robots. Mon-El was injured; Shadow Lass surrounded them with darkness, which (to her surprise) repelled the robots long enough for them to escape. The darkness, however, awakened the inhabitant of the tomb. As they flew off, the unknown creature laughed.

In a latter issue, it created powerful servants that, though looking like dark dry corpses, were strangely familiar, and sent them out into the cosmos. One it calls its son.

It begins as a mystery, with these strange, dark superhumans stealing magical devices for there unknown master to feed upon. The Legion captures one of these beings and learns she is a "reverse DNA clone" of Lydea Mallor, Shadow Lass's ancestor (but formed from inanimate matter). With this knowledge, the Legion computer deduces that two of the others are reverse clones of Superman and a Guardian (particularly disturbing, since guardians are immortal and easily as powerful as several Green Lanterns). The servants and their mysterious master (always hidden in darkness) start attacking and draining living sources of magical energy, including the wizard Mordru and the Time Trapper (although we learn latter it is just a mortal pawn given tremendous power by the real Time Trapper, the living embodiment of entropy). From these actions, it becomes clear that the Sorcerer's World will be next.

Journeying to Sorcerer's World (which was known as Gemworld, the home of the Lord of Order Amethyst in the 20th Century), the Legion witnesses the majority of the population killed and absorbed by their unknown foe; the White Witches teachers pool their powers, casting a spell that calls for help. Instead of summoning more power (as they expected), it summons a mysterious child. Several of the teachers sacrifice themselves to magically shield the child from detection.

Mon-El takes the fight to the mysterious master; in the maw of some kind of spacewarp, he recognizes him. The master strikes Mon-El so hard he winds up in a coma from the concussion. In that moment of contact, however, he sees how he knows him from his time trapped in the Phantom Zone back in the 20th century; he also sees how he can conquer all.

The Legion is able to track the Servants of Darkness to their master's planet; as a Legion team follows the Servants, their master has learnt of Daxam from Mon-Els mind, and uses his powers to enslave the natives. He then exchanges that world with his own, which has a yellow sun. With an army of empowered Daxamites at his command, he orders them to reshape their planet in his image, revealing himself to be Darkseid, god of darkness from the 20th century.

All the heroes of the 30th century unite to fight the Daxamites, who attempt to conquer the entire United Planets. At the same time, the Legion fights Darkseid himself and his Servants on Daxam. All but one of the Servants are destroyed as Element Lad creates gold kryptonite to strip the clone of Superman of his powers, and then adds tiny amounts of lead to the atmosphere, weakening the Daxamites. The White Witch, her powers boosted by the mysterious child (who is aging at an accelerated rate), transfers the Daxamites to Apokalips(which is now in orbit around a red star, leaving them powerless).

Darkseid himself is at full power by this point, however, and damns each of the Legionnaires in their own worst nightmare come true with a single thought (involving forms of mental or physical torture). Darkseid appears to be on the point of victory, and orders his final servant to slay the mysterious child (currently protected by Shadow Lass). Once the servant enters her protective bouble of darkness, Darkseid heres the sounds of a Mother Box (a powerful sentient computer used on New Genesis). In anger, he dispels the darkness, revealing the child to be Highfather, who has restored the final "reverse clone" to its normal form; that of Orion. Because he is not the real Orion, he is unable to defeat Darkseid. Darkseid soon destroys it.

During the battle, Highfather explains that, unlike Darkseid, he did not have time to rest and rebuild his own strength as a god of light; by expending it so quickly (helping the White Witch, aging himself to adulthood, restoring Orion) he was fading away back to whence he came. He uses his power to restore and heal the Legionaries; and sends a spell into space. With his last action Highfather summons Superboy and Supergirl from their own times and allows them to retain their powers, even under Daxam's red sun. They fight Darkseid to a standstill (remembering this is the Pre - Crisis Superboy, who, like Superboy Prime, had unlimited strength - he can easily move entire worlds, and was virtually a god). Darkseid uses a Boom Tube to send Superboy back to his own time, and is attacking Supergirl when the rest of the Legion rally. Although they protect Supergirl, their presence does little to hinder Darkseid - but he realizes something is wrong. His mind reaches into space, and sees that Highfathers spell had been meant for the Daximites. Darkseid realizes that, while he was focussed on the Legion, he has lost control of the Daxamites, who are returning. Knowing that even a god cannot defeat a billion billion supermen (who, thanks to Highfather, can also function under a red sun), Darkseid admits defeat (although it is clear from his speech he does not fear that they can actually destroy him - just that his plans have failed and that he cannot win the battle. Cursing the Legion, Darkseid, and his world of Apokalips disappear.

Darkesid's final revenge comes later, when he steals one of Saturn Girl's newborn twins, and sends it back in time to become Validus. Some time after that, when Saturn Girl realizes it's her son and prays to Darkseid for mercy, he restores Validus to an infant again.

A short follow up storyline some time latter had Darkseid acting in the background (more like a businessman) helping a young woman evolve into a god of light. He then coerces her into using that light to slay him. The final panel implies a repentant Darkseid entering Heaven.

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
This is like arguing with a 10 year old !!!!!! You wont post the scans because you are lazy, Oh how convenient. 🙄 I wouldn't be making such a big deal, but YOU are the one who has started this whole, 'I am holier than thou, as I own a scanner' debacle. Why wont you really post the scans. I wonder ?😖hifty: As-least I've admitted why i can't, you're just being evasive.

It's no one's fault but your own that you can't post scans. The burden of evidence is still on you regardless if you own a scanner or not.

You're just trying to twist the arguement to get me to post scans for you and do all the work for you. The issue of me not telling the truth was never called into question until you came into the thread and accused me of lying.

Since you made the accusation, you have to prove that I'm lying. I don't have to do or prove anything.

Provide scans of the "truth" or take back what you said. Website wikipedia summaries, comic book summaries written by you or anyone else, and opinions of others hold no weight against the actual scan itself.

Originally posted by Evangel94
It's no one's fault but your own that you can't post scans. The burden of evidence is still on you regardless if you own a scanner or not.

You're just trying to twist the arguement to get me to post scans for you and do all the work for you. The issue of me not telling the truth was never called into question until you came into the thread and accused me of lying.

Since you made the accusation, you have to prove that I'm lying. I don't have to do or prove anything.

Provide scans of the "truth" or take back what you said. Website wikipedia summaries, comic book summaries written by you or anyone else, and opinions of others hold no weight against the actual scan itself.

Eh ? What kind of Moral bullshit is this ! U are pissing into the wind girlie if you're trying to debate Ethics with me. Or is this some absurd forum rule again ?

Doc FTW Evangel is Ds hater.....

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
It is offical that you don't know anything about Darkseid.

unoffical, i like ds

not winning against dread one 🙂

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
Eh ? What kind of Moral bullshit is this ! U are pissing into the wind girlie if you're trying to debate Ethics with me. Or is this some absurd forum rule again ?

You made the claim I was lying. So prove it with scans. It's very simple.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Doc FTW Evangel is Ds hater.....

No she's a little kid, who is trying to justify her speculative beliefs by some absurd moral perspective on lying accusation.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Doc FTW Evangel is Ds hater.....

I don't "hate" on fictional comic characters.

Irregardless, Darkseid is not beating the Destroyer Armor. An Armor capable of taking on the celestials.

Originally posted by Evangel94
You made the claim I was lying. So prove it with scans. It's very simple.

~~~~Bangs head against very thick and heavy Door. ~~~~~~~~

Thank you for wasting three pages of this thread, by being young and stubborn !

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
No she's a little kid, who is trying to justify her speculative beliefs by some absurd moral perspective on lying accusation.

Do you have scans to prove I am lying or don't you? Otherwise your claim is baseless.

You're just trying to shift the focus from your lack of evidence. It won't work. Post some scans.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I don't "hate" on fictional comic characters.

Irregardless, Darkseid is not beating the Destroyer Armor. An Armor capable of taking on the celestials.


Did the armor ever beat a celestial?
BTW this is normal version which was fighting Thor and that version would never beat Darkseid.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Do you have scans to prove I am lying or don't you. Otherwise your claim is baseless.

You're just trying to shift the focus from your lack of evidence.

Can you not read or do you have Amnesia !!!!!!!!!

I cant believe how stupid some people can people. Mann I cant believe I'm getting IRATE over a comic book forum.

~goes and takes horse tranquiliser~

How many times do i have to tell you; I have the issues, but don't have a scanner. You on the other hand have both ! WHY DON'T U PROVE ME WRONG !!!!!!

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Did the armor ever beat a celestial?
BTW this is normal version which was fighting Thor and that version would never beat Darkseid.

The Destroyer Armor injurered one celestial, but the other eight celestials gangbanged the Destroyer Armor and stopped it.

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.

OK that was a waste of my time,
the only impressive feats i picked up, is that Darkseid was able to mind control a few billion Daximites, and teleport Apokalips.
Not that impressive in my opinion compared to Odin accually.

Here Odin mind controlling the human race on earth and teleports all of them to another dimention. Note this is all with a gesture. (incase ur wondering there are more humans on earth that the number of Daximites Darkseid has control of)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Odintransportspopulation2.jpg

I never seen Odin teleport a planet before, but has Dakrseid ever destory Galxies with a minimal effort as Odin?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/OdinvsForsung1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/OdinvsForsung2.jpg

Or has Darkseid ever created a solar system out of nothingness?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Odingalaxy1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Odingalaxy2.jpg

Now ur trying to say Darkseid os on par with Galactus? 🙄 Darkseid has no feats that puts him on the level of Odin let alone Galactus.

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
WHY DON'T U PROVE ME WRONG !!!!!!

Why? You made the claim I was lying. So provide the evidence, for your claim.

Your claim = your responsibility to provide proof.

I'm fully capable of providing scans, but you just quoted my entire lengthy post, and said I was completely lying about everything, which is quite alot of references to lie about. Thor nearly ruled earth for nearly two dozen issues, and that's a lot to cover without you being specific. I'm not going out of my way to prove something that your responsibility to being with.

I always wondered in which issue does create that solar system?