About Spider-Man

I may be wrong, but I think that this is constantly not considered in any debate of Spider-Man vs a street leveler:

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Also, Spider-Man has always been shown to be extremely quick in his own right, but as always, character is ignored.

(Part of the reason I hate CBR style debates is the fact that you start to read comics for feats, and neglect the character completely)

It's like the difference between Thor and Beta Ray Bill in character. When it comes to battle, Thor is slow, seemingly clumsy, and a complete showoff, whereas Bill brings the pain fast and hard, and gets the job done quick. He hates idle talk.

Now, lets compare Spider-man's character to Wolverine. Wolverine is very much a "bring the pain" type that holds back none, and I mean NONE or his abilities. He's got the reluctance of a drunk girl at Mardi Gras.
Spider-Man is reserved, and second guesses himself. If he were Gladiator, he would be quite possibly the weakest member of the Imperial Guard. I can't think of a time when Spider-Man didn't second guess himself once in a fight unless he's so far and above his opponent that it's ridiculous. More times than not, he'd rather talk the opponent down than fight. That's why he gets punked by street levelers. Now think of him when he's fighting an opponent who outclasses him, like Iron Man, Silver Surfer, Firelord. He's bouncing all over the place, and is portrayed like the handbooks describe him.

A Superhuman.

So saying "it's all because of the Spider-Sense" is selling the character extremely short. If we gave Ben Grimm a spider-sense, that he'd be pulling off the same stuff?

No. You would have to be superhuman for it to work. Give a slug Spider-sense, and all they know is when they're gonna die.

Sometimes I swear to God, Spider-Man would get more respect on the net if he were a f*#@ing ninja.

Oh please, if anything, Spiderman is overrated on this site then compared to his comic book counterpart.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Oh please, if anything, Spiderman is overrated on this site then compared to his comic book counterpart.

I dont think so somehow.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Oh please, if anything, Spiderman is overrated on this site then compared to his comic book counterpart.

Would you read the post instead of saying something random? It's a character comparison, not a question of underrated or overrated.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I may be wrong, but I think that this is constantly not considered in any debate of Spider-Man vs a street leveler:

It's alot like Flash, he's a different beast on the forums not holding back.

If Spider-Man had exactly the same powers, but with a whole other personality - dark, menacing, deadly - he would be rated much higher when debating skills, or when debating Spider-Man vs a street leveler.

I know it's stupid, but that's the way things are.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
If Spider-Man had exactly the same powers, but with a whole other personality - dark, menacing, deadly - he would be rated much higher when debating skills, or when debating Spider-Man vs a street leveler.

I know it's stupid, but that's the way things are.

"Who wants to see a guy in corny looking tights beat An American Hero?"

The irony of this is that these other characters have lesser abilities but use skills to make them appear as fast, and that is catalouged as actually having the actual talent!

Absurd... but it's the way things are.

You can't compare Spiderman to someone like Silver Surfer in any way, shape, or form.

Silver Surfer holds back FAR more than Spiderman has.....In fact, I have the graphic novel entitled Stormbreaker, starring Beta Ray Bill, Asteroth, Galactus, and Stardust....

The way Spiderman was able to kick Beta Ray Bill down, is absurd....total PIS in my opinion....

Beta Ray Bill survived a planet exploding in his face, but then is kicked down by Spiderman?

🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You can't compare Spiderman to someone like Silver Surfer in any way, shape, or form.

Silver Surfer holds back FAR more than Spiderman has.....In fact, I have the graphic novel entitled Stormbreaker, starring Beta Ray Bill, Asteroth, Galactus, and Stardust....

The way Spiderman was able to kick Beta Ray Bill down, is absurd....total PIS in my opinion....

Beta Ray Bill survived a planet exploding in his face, but then is kicked down by Spiderman?

🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You can't compare Spiderman to someone like Silver Surfer in any way, shape, or form.

Silver Surfer holds back FAR more than Spiderman has.....In fact, I have the graphic novel entitled Stormbreaker, starring Beta Ray Bill, Asteroth, Galactus, and Stardust....

The way Spiderman was able to kick Beta Ray Bill down, is absurd....total PIS in my opinion....

Beta Ray Bill survived a planet exploding in his face, but then is kicked down by Spiderman?

Same thing for Surfer, but his powers are, like all (half) cosmic beings, not very well defined, so it's difficult to say.

But I agree, BRB would kill Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

Beta Ray Bill survived a planet exploding in his face, but then is kicked down by Spiderman?

🙄

There's a difference between the hits and situation. For example, you can take a heavyweight fighter, who is used to taking bombs in the face in the ring every week, but if you were to start a conversation with him on the street, start talking, and in the middle of a sentence, punch him as hard as you can in the jaw, there's a considerably large chance it's going to knock him down, or at least stun him.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Basically, it's like "Who wants to see a guy in corny looking tights beat badass Wolverine?"
Or:

"Who wants to see a guy in corny looking tights beat An American Hero?"

The irony of this is that these other characters have lesser abilities but use skills to make them appear as fast, and that is catalouged as actually having the actual talent!

Absurd... but it's the way things are.

*sigh* Nevermind....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You can't compare Spiderman to someone like Silver Surfer in any way, shape, or form.

Silver Surfer holds back FAR more than Spiderman has.....In fact, I have the graphic novel entitled Stormbreaker, starring Beta Ray Bill, Asteroth, Galactus, and Stardust....

The way Spiderman was able to kick Beta Ray Bill down, is absurd....total PIS in my opinion....

Beta Ray Bill survived a planet exploding in his face, but then is kicked down by Spiderman?

🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
*sigh* Nevermind....

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Part of the reason I hate CBR style debates is the fact that you start to read comics for feats, and neglect the character completely.

Oh, I agree. I've noticed people do that, which is part of the reason I rarely go into verse threads anymore. Another reason is fanboys.....they're....well they're a little insane. 😬

And everyone knows I hate featwars... stupid, circular arguments.

Well, there are two sides to this, and it basically breaks down to:

Spiderman vs. Lower-level characters
Spiderman vs. Higher level characters

And the defining point, the concept that makes all the difference, is the amount of CIS shown within the battle

Take the second one, which I think is most highley addressed in your post, BRH.

Spidey can truly be a monster in his own right when it comes to hanging with the heavy hitters. Yes, alot of it could be attributed to PIS and cash flow in Marvel, but the consistency of this fact is undeniable. When faced with those at higher levels, he becomes superhuman.

However, the reverse is equally true, and I think that this is what is least taken into account on the forums. People easily forget that CIS isn't inolved. Without CIS, your arguing for the characters powers, and not the character. With Spiderman, he's been at both ends of the spectrum. On one hand, he's handing Firelord his ass... on the other, he's worried about losing to Daredevil. Not because of PIS- he generates too much money at Marvel for that to happen as often as it does. People forget that he is capable of underestimating himself to the point where common streetlevelers give him a decent challenge.

Great post as well.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
People forget that he is capable of underestimating himself to the point where common streetlevelers give him a decent challenge.

Please tell me your are not refering to cap. I dont even think DD is a common street leveler considering he used his heighened senses to break a diamond absorbing man.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You can't compare Spiderman to someone like Silver Surfer in any way, shape, or form.

Silver Surfer holds back FAR more than Spiderman has.....In fact, I have the graphic novel entitled Stormbreaker, starring Beta Ray Bill, Asteroth, Galactus, and Stardust....

The way Spiderman was able to kick Beta Ray Bill down, is absurd....total PIS in my opinion....

Beta Ray Bill survived a planet exploding in his face, but then is kicked down by Spiderman?

I love the fact that your poor attempt at trolling backfired.

Maybe if you read what was in the quote, you'd get the point. 😉