About Spider-Man

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Well, there are two sides to this, and it basically breaks down to:

Spiderman vs. Lower-level characters
Spiderman vs. Higher level characters

And the defining point, the concept that makes all the difference, is the amount of CIS shown within the battle

Take the second one, which I think is most highley addressed in your post, BRH.

Spidey can truly be a monster in his own right when it comes to hanging with the heavy hitters. Yes, alot of it could be attributed to PIS and cash flow in Marvel, but the consistency of this fact is undeniable. When faced with those at higher levels, he becomes [b] superhuman.

However, the reverse is equally true, and I think that this is what is least taken into account on the forums. People easily forget that CIS isn't inolved. Without CIS, your arguing for the characters powers, and not the character. With Spiderman, he's been at both ends of the spectrum. On one hand, he's handing Firelord his ass... on the other, he's worried about losing to Daredevil. Not because of PIS- he generates too much money at Marvel for that to happen as often as it does. People forget that he is capable of underestimating himself to the point where common streetlevelers give him a decent challenge. [/B]

Good point. Maybe the character is just intimidated heavily by martial artists. It's hard to tell sometimes. More or less it comes down to the fact that Spider-Man's character essentially restricts him from using every ounce of his strength against a foe that is weaker than him, because he'd kill them.

I think he just doesn't want to hurt them, if his family's life was endangered he wouldn't worry about "fighting skill" that much...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think he just doesn't want to hurt them, if his family's life was endangered he wouldn't worry about "fighting skill" that much...

I think comics are illogical and i thinks its absurd to try apply reasoning and logic to them .... ALthough extremely fun ! 😄

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
I think comics are illogical and i thinks its absurd to try apply reasoning and logic to them .... ALthough extremely fun ! 😄

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
I think comics are illogical and i thinks its absurd to try apply reasoning and logic to them .... ALthough extremely fun ! 😄

Comics do have logic more times than not, but it's only a sense of logic that can be attributed to a world where people have superpowers.

It's a loose "real world" concept, but most comic writers try to keep it as such, unless it's a writer that thinks static electricity can close a wormhole.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I love the fact that your poor attempt at trolling backfired.

Maybe if you read what was in the quote, you'd get the point. 😉

wtf are you talking about ? 🤨

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I could kick down Beta Ray Bill. Seriously. Unless he weighs like a ton or something then I might have to rock him back and forth.

Yes, the same way I could knock down Goku or Freiza. Guess what, I also have the power to break Silver Surfer's arm

😬

It's PIS in my opinion...Spiderman does not have the physical strength to knock down someone like Beta Ray Bill....

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I could kick down Beta Ray Bill. Seriously. Unless he weighs like a ton or something then I might have to rock him back and forth.

He weighs about 480 pounds, and is six foot seven.

I'm about 260 and am six foot two, and have a hard time knocking over my cousin who weighs a little more than me who is six foot seven.

I get your point though.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, the same way I could knock down Goku or Freiza. Guess what, I also have the power to break Silver Surfer's arm

😬

It's PIS in my opinion...Spiderman does not have the physical strength to knock down someone like Beta Ray Bill....

Bro, you're missing the point. Unless Beta Ray Bill has a FAR greater gravitational attraction to the ground than any one else (i.e., the Blob), given his size and proportional weight, anyone could knock him over if he is unprepared/not braced for the attack. It has nothing to do with hurting him, as I would cause him absolutely no harm whatsoever. It's all about common sense. 😬

Agreed...

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Bro, you're missing the point. Unless Beta Ray Bill has a FAR greater gravitational attraction to the ground than any one else (i.e., the Blob), given his size and proportional weight, anyone could knock him over if he is unprepared/not braced for the attack. It has nothing to do with hurting him, as I would cause him absolutely no harm whatsoever. It's all about common sense. 😬

Point blank is if you are something like 20 times as strong as someone and awake your not getting knocked over. I mean muscles contract absorb and break momentum thrown at them. It's simple Spider-man who is only a 25 tonner would basically be hitting a brick wall for a normal human. Why because the tightinging of his muscles from reaction would literallt expel any force used against him.

Basically the only way Spiderman would have a chance to knock over someone like Beta Ray Bill is he was swinging at full speed and BRB was asleep leaning against something and Spiderman hit him enough to break the support thus cuasing him to loose his balance.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I may be wrong, but I think that this is constantly not considered in any debate of Spider-Man vs a street leveler:

I know he does. He's been tagged before by the likes of Venom and Carnage, both who are solid mid-tiers.

What I am trying to get across is that you can't just claim "oh, he can't dodge Wolverine" or "He can't dodge Daredevil" when he's dodged faster and tougher than both.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I know he does. He's been tagged before by the likes of Venom and Carnage, both who are solid mid-tiers.

What I am trying to get across is that you can't just claim "oh, he can't dodge Wolverine" or "He can't dodge Daredevil" when he's dodged faster and tougher than both.

Originally posted by Newjak
He can dodge DD and Wolverine.

I know that, and obviously you know that, but there are others that deny it.

That would make a fun thread... who could knock down BRB.

I don't like the idea of an unhitable Spiderman. I had a debate quite some time ago, wether a fully armed Elder Predator would be able to defeat him, and the opposite said that Spiderman is unhitable.

an example.

The Predator tries to shoot Spiderman with many big, but fast projectiles which are guided by a tracking system and while he's airborne he could dodge a smartdisc + the plasma projectiles + nets + melee and the guy said he could evade all that and close in to KO the Predator. Pfft.

Originally posted by Jyppe
I don't like the idea of an unhitable Spiderman. I had a debate quite some time ago, wether a fully armed Elder Predator would be able to defeat him, and the opposite said that Spiderman is unhitable.

an example.

The Predator tries to shoot Spiderman with many big, but fast projectiles which are guided by a tracking system and while he's airborne he could dodge a smartdisc + the plasma projectiles + nets + melee and the guy said he could evade all that and close in to KO the Predator. Pfft.

His Spidersense and agility only go so far.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah Spider-man isn't dodging all that. People need to understand that while Spiderman may hold back and while he could dodge a number of street levelers for some time he isn't dodging everything forever.

His Spidersense and agility only go so far.

Indeed. Although I do get annoyed when people like DD can give him a match.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah Spider-man isn't dodging all that. People need to understand that while Spiderman may hold back and while he could dodge a number of street levelers for some time he isn't dodging everything forever.

His Spidersense and agility only go so far.

Exactly! It's kinda hard to dodge something while you've just jumped. Especially if it's tracking.