That's just it. Strange is human, Warlock is not...well not really, anyway. Physically, Strange can't deal with what Warlock can bring. And while Warlock may not be as adept at magic as Strange, he鈥檚 certainly no stranger to it, or to fighting beings that use it all the time.
After Strange (the good doctor鈥檚 magical creation, not Stephen himself) decimated everyone on the IW but Adam, Warlock used the gem to show Strange what was true about his existence. Since an aspect of Stephen Strange was able to be affected by the gem, I don鈥檛 understand why Stephen himself would be immune. And if Warlock with the gem is strong enough to defeat a magical entity in his own realm, I don鈥檛 see Stephen not being affected.
I also think a major factor is this battle would be Warlock鈥檚 state of mind. Fresh from the cocoon? Post-IG with the Watch? Post Rune? Pre/Post Infinity Abyss? Are we talking ALL of the powers at his disposal?
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
That's just it. Strange is human, Warlock is not...well not really, anyway. Physically, Strange can't deal with what Warlock can bring. And while Warlock may not be as adept at magic as Strange, he鈥檚 certainly no stranger to it, or to fighting beings that use it all the time.After Strange (the good doctor鈥檚 magical creation, not Stephen himself) decimated everyone on the IW but Adam, Warlock used the gem to show Strange what was true about his existence. Since an aspect of Stephen Strange was able to be affected by the gem, I don鈥檛 understand why Stephen himself would be immune. And if Warlock with the gem is strong enough to defeat a magical entity in his own realm, I don鈥檛 see Stephen not being affected.
I also think a major factor is this battle would be Warlock鈥檚 state of mind. Fresh from the cocoon? Post-IG with the Watch? Post Rune? Pre/Post Infinity Abyss? Are we talking ALL of the powers at his disposal?
Physically? Physically, Strange is an accomplished Martial Artist who has amped himself with mystical energies to be quite strong and quite fast. He could physically take out many top tiers if he so desired.
Strange has also shown great resistance to the soul gem in the past his creation not showing the same resistance offers little support for your case.
You're right though, this does depend on which Adam Warlock we're talking about. He has gone through many incarnations.
Though, the only one that would beat Strange is the Warlock with the infinity gauntlet. 馃槈.
Originally posted by Soljer
Physically? Physically, Strange is an accomplished Martial Artist who has amped himself with mystical energies to be quite strong and quite fast. He could physically take out many top tiers if he so desired.Strange has also shown great resistance to the soul gem in the past his creation not showing the same resistance offers little support for your case.
You're right though, this does depend on which Adam Warlock we're talking about. He has gone through many incarnations.
Though, the only one that would beat Strange is the Warlock with the infinity gauntlet. 馃槈.
When has Warlock ever attempted to use the gem on Strange in a malicious way that Strange could say he's shown great resistance? I could be wrong, but I don't ever recall Warlock using the gem directly on Strange.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
This is exactly my point. Physically Strange is still human. All the power that is at Strange's disposal comes from somewhere else. None of it is his. Warlock's an accomplished martial artist as well, and can also increase his strength with cosmic energy. He's gone hth with Thor and a Thor clone. Strange would never attempt that.When has Warlock ever attempted to use the gem on Strange in a malicious way that Strange could say he's shown great resistance? I could be wrong, but I don't ever recall Warlock using the gem directly on Strange.
warlock has gone toe to toe with a WM thor... 馃槈
strange has nothing on warlock physically, in strength and in durability, as warlock has also flown through a black hole unharmed... 馃槈
although i give the edge to strange, i do believe that warlock can win some... 馃檪
umm so i guess shuma gorath is thanos level wow trickster priest your knowledge of comic books is beyond me, oh and it depends on how good the user of the gem is, it dont matter if you just have the gem, if you dont know what your doing with it it wont mean nothing almost against really good fighters, look at thanos vs champion, or thanos vs insane thor, now if your like thanos and have only one gem, youd train yourself to use it properly and unlock its secrets, cause they are not automatically unlocked less there all together.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
warlock has gone toe to toe with a WM thor... 馃槈strange has nothing on warlock physically, in strength and in durability, as warlock has also flown through a black hole unharmed... 馃槈
although i give the edge to strange, i do believe that warlock can win some... 馃檪
Strange has also survived a black hole with narry a scratch....So much for that angle, hm?
Originally posted by long pig
I don't think people are thinking of Warlock w/ complete set of infinity gem residue when they think of Warlock. Most people think of Warlock with his actual powerset along with the soul gem instead of "Warlock being amped because he's now the keeper of the gems".I could be wrong.
None of those scans are of Warlock with the 6 Gems.
I only posted canon scans of Warlock with the Soul Gem.
What does this mean?
"infinity gem residue"
Originally posted by long pig
Other than that, yeah...I'm out of ideas.
It's a good fight.
Warlock traveling through an Un-Reality RIFT:
This isn't a black hole, this the Reality Gem ripping Reality itself apart, left unchecked the entire Universe would have been warped into madness.
Even THANOS was UNABLE to resist this RIFT, but Warlock went right into it and recovered the Reality Gem from the center of the RIFT.
This is an amazing feat,
enjoy!
Like I said, even Thanos wasn't able to resist this RIFT:
Warlock's durability is no joke.
Originally posted by Soljer
Strange has also survived a black hole with narry a scratch....So much for that angle, hm?
with his "human" durability?
either way, adam edges stephen in every physical category, and the answer is quite simple...
adam was created to become the perfect human...
perfect human > human (physically speaking)
hypothetically, let Thanos blast both of them, both without shields, you dont need to guess who would survive...hm?
Originally posted by Mider999
umm so i guess shuma gorath is thanos level wow trickster priest your knowledge of comic books is beyond me, oh and it depends on how good the user of the gem is, it dont matter if you just have the gem, if you dont know what your doing with it it wont mean nothing almost against really good fighters, look at thanos vs champion, or thanos vs insane thor, now if your like thanos and have only one gem, youd train yourself to use it properly and unlock its secrets, cause they are not automatically unlocked less there all together.
Shuma-Gorath>>Galactus, when in his own dimension. You must be joking if you're saying Strange doesn't know how to fight. He's beaten a mind controlled Wolverine, he spars with a guy who' supposed to be Shang Chi level. 2nd, Thanos is a genius, probably the smartest character in Marvel. So anything he does may not be possible for even a character of equal power. You have some gall claiming that Shuma is Thanos level and trying to belittle that feat. It was one of Strange's best feats, and you think Adam Warlock would do that? No, even with half the gems, he'd still lose. Shuma-Gorath destroys dimensions and galaxies. Strange beat Shuma, do the math.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Shuma-Gorath>>Galactus, when in his own dimension. You must be joking if you're saying Strange doesn't know how to fight. He's beaten a mind controlled Wolverine, he spars with a guy who' supposed to be Shang Chi level. 2nd, Thanos is a genius, probably the smartest character in Marvel. So anything he does may not be possible for even a character of equal power. You have some gall claiming that Shuma is Thanos level and trying to belittle that feat. It was one of Strange's best feats, and you think Adam Warlock would do that? No, even with half the gems, he'd still lose. Shuma-Gorath destroys dimensions and galaxies. Strange beat Shuma, do the math.
Shuma is well above Thanos in power. However, I do not agree with Shuma being significantly stronger than Galactus. That's just not true, unless Galactus happens to be really hungry at the time.
Shuma is powerful, but he would lose to someone wielding 3 of the infinity gems - let's say power, reality, & mind - to their full potential. IMO - there's no way to prove that though.
3 gems >>>>any Elder god/Old One
Ahem, Shuma is perhaps the strongest of the Elder Gods, not counting Atum. And i said in his own dimension, outside the two are pretty comparable. And I meant any 3 gems, there's no just no way to beat Shuma in his own dimension without some god-like power. Even Strange wasn't able to completely destroy Shuma-Gorath. There's a caveat in there, if you gain the power to destroy Shuma-Gorath, you become Shuma-Gorath. Strange is the only person to ever get around that.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ahem, Shuma is perhaps the strongest of the Elder Gods, not counting Atum. And i said in his own dimension, outside the two are pretty comparable. And I meant any 3 gems, there's no just no way to beat Shuma in his own dimension without some god-like power. Even Strange wasn't able to completely destroy Shuma-Gorath. There's a caveat in there, if you gain the power to destroy Shuma-Gorath, you become Shuma-Gorath. Strange is the only person to ever get around that.
Heck - now that I think about it, Shuma is techinically a Demon/Old One, not an Elder God. I'm not sure Demigorge/Atum could take him in that case, since he eats gods, it says nothing of Old Ones in his powerset. Set & Chthon fear Atum, but no mention of Shuma
Shuma could take 3 gems in his own realm, I'll give him that since he is master of all reality in that realm.
On a neutral plane, however, Shuma should never match 3 gems in power.
