Originally posted by masterbruce
those are all noncannon, and therefore worthless. 616 Hulk usually beats the living daylights outta Thor. Accept it.
The last one is canon, it happened - just because Thor would go back in time to change things doesn't change that. The others are clear examples of Marvel editors letting their fights go as they should when it's outside normal continuity ie. protecting Hulk's popularity.
And maybe you should accept that Hulk cannot beat Thor unless he's without mjolnir, can't use any other power, and apparently has to have one arm behind his back.
Originally posted by Evangel94
That was Thor talking, and of course he's the only one with memories of that alternate future because he changed it when he went back in time. Can you name anyone else besides Thor who can actually reference "The Reigning"? You can't because Thor went back in time and prevented the events from ever taking place and retconning the entire incident.If it was the future there would be no Civil War going on between heroes right now, Hulk would be dead and not on Planet Hulk right now, and there would be no Extremis Iron Man.
What does that have to do with it being cannon 😐
Originally posted by Soujaboy
he may be fighting for his life but he's not fighting for blood which was the difference when Thor took his life.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yes, actually Thor has. He's the best warrior in Asgard, a warrior god race. The Absorbing Man, after stealing, and acquiring all Thor's powers still could not defeat him, saying: "It ain't fair!!!" "What's good my strength, my power if I can't land a blow?", "I didn't know it was gonna be like this!!!". The very same thing happened to Warlock, Cain Marko, etc. Thor also outclassed Ares whom had tripled his strength, to try and match Thor's. Captain America stated this about Thor’s skills, "He is an expert combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war." "His understanding of tactics and strategies encompasses the teaching of cultures over several centuries." grog the god crusher wasn't even able to defeat a mortal Thor, simply put Thor's skills are top of the line.
And yet, for all that, he’s still admitted to be inferior to Hercules in terms of skill, who has proved ineffectual to Hulk.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
he's really not, like stated before, Thor tends to job a lot. Comparing here base lv strength feats, Thor far outclasses Hulk. Add that along BRB's planetary lv strength and Hulk doesn't stand a chance.
And as we’ve seen in the latest Planet Hulk, Hulk just recently demonstrated planetary level strength by pulling together the splitting crust of the entire planet. You’re going to have to come up with a better excuse.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Grey Hulk has... which should be considered PIS seeing as how he's barely class 100. Grey Hulk can't even fight Rhino, I don't see how he's destroying planetary size objects.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yes it is. You claimed that base lv Hulk is in Thor's range seeing as how Thor couldn't put him down. I stated that seeing as how Spider Man has bested Hulk then he should be in Hulk's range.
Hulk vs Thor is strength vs strength.
Hulk vs Spider-Man is strength vs agility.
They are nothing alike.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor never uses skill against Hulk.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
In comic world yes, but on these forums no.
Originally posted by roughrider
The last one is canon, it happened - just because Thor would go back in time to change things doesn't change that. The others are clear examples of Marvel editors letting their fights go as they should when it's outside normal continuity ie. protecting Hulk's popularity.And maybe you should accept that Hulk cannot beat Thor unless he's without mjolnir, can't use any other power, and apparently has to have one arm behind his back.
It's like using What Ifs to prove Wolverine can stab the Silver Surfer and kill every body on the planet, seeing as how he's done that in those storylines before. Would you say that was the editors taking liberties to show what they think could actually happen in a story without popularity?
Originally posted by Accel
But he has during that time under Hela’s spell and near the bomb site. And both times, Hulk didn;t want to fight him.This is pretty much all instances of him using it out of what, 300+ comics? Hence the use of the word, “rarely.”
And yet, for all that, he’s still admitted to be inferior to Hercules in terms of skill, who has proved ineffectual to Hulk.
When it’s happened practically every time they’ve fought, it’s clearly not jobbing. It’s only jobbing if you have reasonable doubt to believe Hulk isn’t nearly as strong as Thor except saying, “Hulk isn’t that strong. It’s just Thor jobbing.” When Hulk stalemates him for a full hour like that, it’s really Hulk jobbing for not getting any stronger.
And as we’ve seen in the latest Planet Hulk, Hulk just recently demonstrated planetary level strength by pulling together the splitting crust of the entire planet. You’re going to have to come up with a better excuse.
Regardless, it’s still happened.
Any way, Hulk’s recently enclosed the splitting crust of the planet he’s on now. He’s resisted a field that had the power to shift the planet from its orbit. His strength is just as “planetary” as Thor’s or Bill’s, if not moreso.No. It isn’t.
Hulk vs Thor is strength vs strength.
Hulk vs Spider-Man is strength vs agility.
They are nothing alike.It wouldn’t matter. His superior in that field (Hercules) has tried and failed. He isn’t Shang Chi. He’s a brawler more than any thing.
In both, yes.
OK?
You made the statement claiming Thor doesn't use skill, I had proof stating otherwise. Either way it shows the more times than not Skill will prevail over strength.
Hercules and Thor are near equals, ans even if Hercules is superior to Thor in the skill department it's not by a large margin.
Yes Accel, it's called jobbing. You don't find it odd that Thor can easily defeat characters who can destroy earth on a whim, yet when he fights Hulk he seems hopeless? using that logic, Hulk is street lv character considering Wolverine, and Spider Man have regularly given him battles.
Destroying Planets with strength, Crushing Celestial Domes, Throwing Planets out of Orbit in arm wrestling contest, fishing away planetary size objects >>>>> Holding the splitting crust together, and resisting fields.
Also, I doubt you want to use current incarnations of the characters in this battle.
Hulk's strength more planetary than Thor's and BRB's?😆, Those feats you mentioned don't even compare to Thor and BRB's strength feats.
And since you want to talk about resisting pressure feats, Thor has stood in the core of the sun. The pressure in the core of the Sun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pressure of throwing a planet out of orbit.
Thor's faster and Superior to Spider man in skill.
Strength vs Strength, Skill, Battle Experience, Agility > Strength vs Agility. Your correct, there nothing alike.
It doesn't matter that Thor doesn't implement his skills in battles with Hulk?😕
On these forums we don't have to judge based on popularity, the main reason Thor jobbs to Hulk.
Here's what I don't get:
Someone once said that if Superman was going to be faster than Flash, then what's the point of a Flash?
Similarly, if you're gonna have Thor, BRB or whoever stronger than Hulk, then what's the point of a Hulk?
Thor with his hammer (or BRB with Stormbreaker) is clearly more powerful than the Hulk. But if we're just gonna go toe-to-toe, than Hulk should be the superior force. Otherwise, he should just be removed as a character from the face of the superhero universe.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
You made the statement claiming Thor doesn't use skill, I had proof stating otherwise. Either way it shows the more times than not Skill will prevail over strength.
Skill doesn’t do a bit of good if you opponent becomes too strong and durable for you handle.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Hercules and Thor are near equals, ans even if Hercules is superior to Thor in the skill department it's not by a large margin.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yes Accel, it's called jobbing. You don't find it odd that Thor can easily defeat characters who can destroy earth on a whim, yet when he fights Hulk he seems hopeless? using that logic, Hulk is street lv character considering Wolverine, and Spider Man have regularly given him battles.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
using that logic, Hulk is street lv character considering Wolverine, and Spider Man have regularly given him battles.
Hulk isn’t street-level. He’s top-tier. He’s proven it time and time again by either stalemating or beating Thor is a direct contest of strength. There’s no two ways about it.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Destroying Planets with strength, Crushing Celestial Domes, Throwing Planets out of Orbit in arm wrestling contest, fishing away planetary size objects >>>>> Holding the splitting crust together, and resisting fields.
Not to mention the time he deflected an attack that ripped apart an entire cosmos and the time he broke through the Silver Surfer’s barrier (someone who has just recently shown he can output around Thanos-level power).
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Also, I doubt you want to use current incarnations of the characters in this battle.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Hulk's strength more planetary than Thor's and BRB's?😆, Those feats you mentioned don't even compare to Thor and BRB's strength feats.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
And since you want to talk about resisting pressure feats, Thor has stood in the core of the sun. The pressure in the core of the Sun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pressure of throwing a planet out of orbit.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor's faster and Superior to Spider man in skill.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
It doesn't matter that Thor doesn't implement his skills in battles with Hulk?😕
Originally posted by Soujaboy
On these forums we don't have to judge based on popularity, the main reason Thor jobbs to Hulk.
Hulk beating or stalemating Thor in H2H has nothing to do with popularity. They’ve been doing this since the very beginning. Hulk beats him because- repeat after me- Thor can’t put him down before Hulk overcomes him with his strength.
Originally posted by Accel
I believe the whole point of this is a pure H2H fight. And I believe any speed advantage for Thor is minimal, if it even exists, considering he doesn't show it in any of their fights.
It's funny, because some of the goofball supporters of Thor believe he's capable of keeping up with Superman in combat speed. 😆 😂