Beta Ray Bill and Thor (Weaponless) versus Hulk

Both Thor and Beta Ray Bill are powerful, especially when they are wielding the greatest plot device ever, their plastic hammers. You take away their walking plot devices and both Asgardians are going to be like mongrels without their teeth. Both are arrogant so they are going to think that they can dogpile the Hulk. They'll work as a team, one attacking and the other to hit Hulk when he is distracted. Well, they both can hit Hulk all day and the Hulk will stand there taking everything, enjoying the pummeling he is getting like a good massage. Once the Hulk gets bored getting his peerless muscles getting massaged, he is going to KO the glass jawed Asgardians with a left cross to destroy Thor and a right cross to atomize Beta Ray Bill. Hulk rules all. Case closed. The same cannot be said about the Asgardians. Pity.

Hulk rules all

most obvious sock ever

Originally posted by masterbruce
No, I don't have to accept that because Hulk has regularly treated Thor like a punching dummy.

Hulk fans should be more concerned about why he can't put down a runt like Wolverine. 😉

Even if I agree that Thor loses to Hulk h2h - no mjolnir, no other powers - there's TWO of him here, with BRB. Both of them together win.

Originally posted by Hulk rules all
[B]Both Thor and Beta Ray Bill are powerful, especially when they are wielding the greatest plot device ever, their plastic hammers. You take away their walking plot devices and both Asgardians are going to be like mongrels without their teeth. Both are arrogant so they are going to think that they can dogpile the Hulk. They'll work as a team, one attacking and the other to hit Hulk when he is distracted. Well, they both can hit Hulk all day and the Hulk will stand there taking everything, enjoying the pummeling he is getting like a good massage. Once the Hulk gets bored getting his peerless muscles getting massaged, he is going to KO the glass jawed Asgardians with a left cross to destroy Thor and a right cross to atomize Beta Ray Bill. Hulk rules all. Case closed.

Hulk rules all? 😆

Against two class 100 bricks with skills, Hulk will get mudstomped. Go and read Bill's first appearance when he stalemated Thor with Mjlornir. He didn't have Stormbreaker yet but still managed to knock Thor about. And if anyone's arrogant, it's the Hulk or Thor, not BRB.

And the title mongrel fits with Hulk.

The same cannot be said about the Asgardians. Pity.

BRB isn't Asgardian, he's a Korbinite. Team 7-8/10.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Beta Ray Bill and Thor are [b]weaponless. That would include using the elements as a weapon. This match is pure h2h. [/B]

Originally posted by K3VIL
BRB and Thor, both top rank Class 100, hella durable, superhuman speed, reflexes and agility, masters in hand to hand combat, Thor has countless battle experience, and hth skills, same for Bill.
Thor without the hammer, OWNED Loki and Fenris and both were enhanced by Mjolnir replicas.
Loki was also getting more powerful during the Ragnarok cause with the Asgardian's being depowered he became MORE POWERFUL.
So, Loki and Fenris with hammers>>>>Savage Hulk and his brute strength.
Thor and Bill wins.They cut loose and pumme Hulk to death.

And comparing who has beaten who with just fisticuffs doesn't really get us any where, especially sicne I can bring up Hulk has beaten Mephisto around and Mephisto >>> Loki.

Originally posted by roughrider
Hulk fans should be more concerned about why he can't put down a runt like Wolverine. 😉

Originally posted by Accel
Breaking a device that could withstand attacks from Celestials and beating up Mephisto in his own realm are about the same as breaking a celestial dome.

Also, breaking Exitar's head open with a hammer attack>>>>>>>>>breaking a device that can "supposedly" take attacks from Celestials, until I see proof otherwise.

Originally posted by Accel
Not to mention the time he deflected an attack that ripped apart an entire cosmos and the time he broke through the Silver Surfer’s barrier (someone who has just recently shown he can output around Thanos-level power).

Also, it never said how much of Thanos's power, just that his power. Thanos can also amp his power up to.

Originally posted by Accel
He didn’t literally go into the sun. It was a dimension inside the sun.

Also, Thor has taken direct attacks from Celestials, and was the first one to ever topple Arishem.

Thor and his rarely flaunted fighting ability.

And the clincher. Also, note, that even Thor knows he has leaned on his hammer too much.

Thor and Beta for the win.

Originally posted by bigbran
No, just no.
Destroyer was supposed to take down Celestials, and look how he did. Did this device also take attacks from Celestials?
When did he beat up Mephisto?

Also, breaking Exitar's head open with a hammer attack>>>>>>>>>breaking a device that can "supposedly" take attacks from Celestials, until I see proof otherwise.

The Mephisto rumble took place some time during PAD’s run.

Originally posted by bigbran
Recently you say?
You mean, after Galactus gave him a power up? Hmmm...

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, it never said how much of Thanos's power, just that his power. Thanos can also amp his power up to.

Originally posted by bigbran
So... it that why Thor absorbed some of the sun's power to hit Atum with?
No, it was the sun alright.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, Thor has taken direct attacks from Celestials, and was the first one to ever topple Arishem.

Thor and his rarely flaunted fighting ability.

And the clincher. Also, note, that even Thor knows he has leaned on his hammer too much.

Thor and Beta for the win.

In a slugfest, Hulk can take these two.

Originally posted by Accel
It was built by the deviants and stated by the narration that it could. The whole incident was witnessed by Gammenon.

Originally posted by Accel
The Mephisto rumble took place some time during PAD’s run.

Originally posted by Accel
No, right when he freed Galactus just after he was freed from his own prison.

Originally posted by Accel
Does it matter? No matter how you look at it, Thanos-level is pretty friggin powerful.

Originally posted by Accel
It really wasn’t. It was some sort of dimension inside the Sun. He wasn’t literally inside the Sun itself.

Originally posted by Accel
I’m aware of what he’s done, but the fact remains he’s never managed to take Hulk down in H2H, which is what this fight is. Hulk’s tougher than Loki and as pointed out people who have demonstrated fighting skills as good or better than that have tried and didn’t take him down.

Also, this fight was WITHOUT their hammers. Never was it stated that it was h2h.
Thor still has powers without his hammer, and this battle is without it.

Originally posted by Accel
In a slugfest, Hulk can take these two.

So, without hammers, Thor and Beta easily.
Slugfest, Thor and Beta (probably pretty easily).
Slugfest with Hulk going into this fight mad (actually mad/pissed), stalemate or Hulk.

Just without hammers though, I can't see Hulk winning.

Thor toppling Arishem is worthy of a Holy Sh*t! Moment. 👆

Originally posted by bigbran
Hmm... so it was actually shown?
Also, the Destroyer also had the same purpose, instead he was supposed to take out the Celestials.

Originally posted by bigbran
You mean, after he was powered-up by Galactus?

Originally posted by bigbran
He also had to amp himself up to their.
Also, Surfer has been shown under Thanos in every encounter.
You can't compare Surfer then (got beat to death by Thanos), to Surfer now (can amp his power up to Thanos).

Originally posted by bigbran
Where was this stated?
And how did Thor draw energy from the sun if this was the case?

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, and Thor didn't really use his fighting skills.

And the fact remains, Thor’s a brawler more than martial artist- his skill advantage isn’t big enough to give him an edge. At all.

Originally posted by bigbran
Maybe, maybe not.
Doubtful though if Thor can stay at his level for an hour. Add Bill, and we have a winner.

Originally posted by bigbran
They can overwhelm him from the start.

Originally posted by bigbran
If he was already enraged (not just ticked) when going into this fight, I'm sure it could go another way.
Hulk starts off lower than Thor (doesn't matter to which degree, he is still lower), add another Thor (Beta), and it goes into the complete opposite direction.

You may think Hulk was jobbing when Thor stalemated his strength for an hour, but it just shows that he can't surpass them quickly like you said.
Hulk may be savage, but Bill became the champion of his people for a reason - by being the most vicious and mighty bad-ass of an entire race, going through trials Hulk has never seen. Him alone against Hulk would be a good match. But, it keeps coming back to the fact it's him AND Thor against Hulk. That's why they win for sure. You say it doesn't matter - so, we just are chasing around a circle here.

Originally posted by Accel
No, though I do think it was successful at one point. Dunno about that though, so I’ll have to check.

If the Celestials can also rip apart Destroyer like that, I really don't see how they are going to have trouble destroying a machine that Hulk has destroyed.

Originally posted by Accel
Right after he was freed from his prison by Drax. He was severely weakned from being in there for so long and yet he still pulled it off.

Originally posted by Accel
Being shown under Thanos in every fight doesn’t mean he can’t amp his power levels up to around Thanos’s level, same as how Hulk would always be owned by Thanos, but he can always potentially amp his strength up to Thanos’s level. And the fact remains he still couldn’t contain Hulk, no matter how ahrd he tried.

Also, the fact of the matter is, that post-powered up Surfer, is the ONLY Surfer shown to pump himself up to Thanos's level, no matter what condition.

Originally posted by Accel
Thor himself stated he was in a magical sphere inside the Sun as soon as he arrived.

Originally posted by Accel
Which doesn’t matter, since people [b]as strong and as skilled or more skilled have also tried and couldn’t put Hulk down. [/B]

Originally posted by Accel
And the fact remains, Thor’s a brawler more than martial artist- his skill advantage isn’t big enough to give him an edge. At all.

Originally posted by Accel
Honestly, I believe Hulk jobbed when he stalemated Thor for an hour. Generally, he would have just kept getting stronger until he overpowered Thor.

Originally posted by Accel
Doubful. Multiple opponents fighting Hulk usually results in his strength rising quicker. A double-team wouldn’t necessarily be an advantage at all.

Originally posted by Accel
The fact that he can quickly surpass them does make a big difference here.

Also, Thor drops the Durok killer on Hulk.

going with hulk here

Originally posted by bigbran
He got owned, even at his most powerful form.
He even used his most powerful attack, and a Celestial deflected it with one hand.
Here is the fight:

If the Celestials can also rip apart Destroyer like that, I really don't see how they are going to have trouble destroying a machine that Hulk has destroyed.

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, but it was still after Galactus powered him up.
I know the details.

Originally posted by bigbran
Are you talking about the Bannerless Hulk incident...
Also, where in that fight, did Surfer power himself up to Thanos's level, and try to hold Hulk?
He didn't?
So how does that make it relevent?

Any way, you missed the primary point of the Surfer/Thanos comparison. Surfer, along with Strange, tried his best to contain Hulk and failed. And we’ve seen that Surfer can amp his power levels to Thanos-levels. That was the whole point.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, the fact of the matter is, that post-powered up Surfer, is the ONLY Surfer shown to pump himself up to Thanos's level, no matter what condition.

Originally posted by bigbran

Originally posted by bigbran
Doesn't Thing's brawling skill allow him to fight a lot of people?
His skill should allow him to dodge attacks, and also land a couple extra blows.
I haven't even really used Beta here.

He’s not going to fold just because someone with Thor-level strength hits him. In his fight against the Champions, he took a couple of blows from Hercules and simply shrugged it off.

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes he would have, but you also don't think Thor jobbed a lot in his fights?
Still, they usually stalemate in h2h.

Originally posted by bigbran
Wait, when has he fought two Thor level strengths, when he started off normal?

Originally posted by bigbran
No.
Even if he could quickly surpass one of them, there is still two.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, Thor drops the Durok killer on Hulk.

I guess Hulk could beat Supes and Glads without them flying or Captain Marvel and Black Adam without them flying.

Thor and BRB wins everytime it's two on one and Hulk doesn't job to Thor when they are matching each others strength for an hour Thor is like Supes he tends to hold back.

Thor clearly wasn't holding back when stalemating Hulk. However, if Hulk's strength just suddenly stops increasing when he's still angry, he's jobbing.

Originally posted by bigbran
No, just no.
Destroyer was supposed to take down Celestials, and look how he did. Did this device also take attacks from Celestials?
When did he beat up Mephisto?

Also, breaking Exitar's head open with a hammer attack>>>>>>>>>breaking a device that can "supposedly" take attacks from Celestials, until I see proof otherwise.

Recently you say?
You mean, after Galactus gave him a power up? Hmmm...

Also, it never said how much of Thanos's power, just that his power. Thanos can also amp his power up to.

So... it that why Thor absorbed some of the sun's power to hit Atum with?
No, it was the sun alright.

Also, Thor has taken direct attacks from Celestials, and was the first one to ever topple Arishem.

Thor and his rarely flaunted fighting ability.

And the clincher. Also, note, that even Thor knows he has leaned on his hammer too much.

Thor and Beta for the win.

thor #300 is a classic

Originally posted by Accel
Thor clearly wasn't holding back when stalemating Hulk. However, if Hulk's strength just suddenly stops increasing when he's still angry, he's jobbing.

I think it stops because he gets confused about why Thor keeps getting up and attacking, rather than staying down like others would. Clearly shown during the fight in Thor #385, when Hulk forced Thor into throwing his hammer away for a while, by threatening a female bystander.