Tyrant vs. Doomsday

Originally posted by quanchi112
DD was hit with the same omega beams that oneshotted Henshaw. Darkseid admitted afterwards that he couldnt stop him. So Darkseid admitting this means he had no faith in his omega powers as he came back from that blast like it did nothing.

Tyrant did what Odin failed to do. He made Thanos leave the immediate area and he did it in few pages. Doomsday beating on Darkseid is not that impressive as I have seen Superman do just the same. Again Thanos operates on a higher plane than Darkseid who was a top tier(some would say an elite top tier) pretty much until Orion killed him.

i thought doomsday was beyond death. he simply evolves. darksied's blast did do something to doomsday as evident that he wasn't moving for a time. doomsday isn't the kind of monster to just stop moving. he keeps going and killing. so the omega beams did do something. doomsday did something superman has never done, he's taken a full on omega beam attack and then got up and beat darksied to with in an inch of his life. i've never seen darksied hit superman with such a large blast of the omegas. the blast completely enveloped doomsday.

Originally posted by fangirl101
i thought doomsday was beyond death. he simply evolves. darksied's blast did do something to doomsday as evident that he wasn't moving for a time. doomsday isn't the kind of monster to just stop moving. he keeps going and killing. so the omega beams did do something. doomsday did something superman has never done, he's taken a full on omega beam attack and then got up and beat darksied to with in an inch of his life. i've never seen darksied hit superman with such a large blast of the omegas. the blast completely enveloped doomsday.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant did what Odin failed to do. He made Thanos leave the immediate area and he did it in few pages. Doomsday beating on Darkseid is not that impressive as I have seen Superman do just the same. Again Thanos operates on a higher plane than Darkseid who was a top tier(some would say an elite top tier) pretty much until Orion killed him.

I'm not sure how Thanos running away makes things better than him attempting to put up a battle as he's getting embarrassed until he was saved by the bell.

Thanos ran from Tyrant, but put up a better fight against him than Odin, who treated him like a stepchild in comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The blast buried him under rubble. He has been killed prior to this and after this but has never resurrected so quickly so thus the beams only buried him. Darkseid doesnt have incredible durability and thats why he was beaten so quickly and without retaliation once it got up close and personal.

superman can destroy planets. he was even able to make the source powered infinity man use a shield. darksied has taken superman's best punches on more than one occasion. so how does he not have incredible durability.

Originally posted by quanchi112
DD was hit with the same omega beams that oneshotted Henshaw. Darkseid admitted afterwards that he couldnt stop him. So Darkseid admitting this means he had no faith in his omega powers as he came back from that blast like it did nothing.

Actually..."One shotted" Henshaw is COMPLETELY wrong in context to the story... why? Let's compare.

Darkseid used the omega beams on Doomsday which failed (as we all know) but buried him under briefly.

When Doomsday got up and went back...what did Darkseid say?

"Nobody have ever survive the omega beams from point blank range" as he charged up for a second attack.

To which DD KO'd him before we got to see what would happen.

Fast forward to Henshaw.

Darkseid has been restored/healed by the motherbox. Henshaw was fighting Superman 1 on 1. Darkseid then uses the same omega beams on Henshaw to what effect? "YOU FAILED" was Henshaws response.... and what happens? He KEEPS fighting Superman without missing a beat.

THEN...

While he's fighting Superman, Darkseid's healing is complete (AND he STATES...."My Powers are at their PEAK" specifically) and what happens?

He gets Henshaw with his STRONGEST beams at POINT BLANK range!

FAR from any kind of one shot as you claim. In fact, Henshaws showing was just as impressive as DD's since Doomsday wasn't fighting Superman at the same time. Otherwise..DS may have been able to do the same thing.

Back to your regular debate now...

Tyrant for the win

Tyrant wins

Originally posted by Avlon
Actually..."One shotted" Henshaw is COMPLETELY wrong in context to the story... why? Let's compare.

Darkseid used the omega beams on Doomsday which failed (as we all know) but buried him under briefly.

When Doomsday got up and went back...what did Darkseid say?

"Nobody have ever survive the omega beams from point blank range" as he charged up for a second attack.

To which DD KO'd him before we got to see what would happen.

Fast forward to Henshaw.

Darkseid has been restored/healed by the motherbox. Henshaw was fighting Superman 1 on 1. Darkseid then uses the same omega beams on Henshaw to what effect? "YOU FAILED" was Henshaws response.... and what happens? He KEEPS fighting Superman without missing a beat.

THEN...

While he's fighting Superman, Darkseid's healing is complete (AND he STATES...."My Powers are at their PEAK" specifically) and what happens?

He gets Henshaw with his STRONGEST beams at POINT BLANK range!

FAR from any kind of one shot as you claim. In fact, Henshaws showing was just as impressive as DD's since Doomsday wasn't fighting Superman at the same time. Otherwise..DS may have been able to do the same thing.

Back to your regular debate now...

Originally posted by Avlon
I'm not sure how Thanos running away makes things better than him attempting to put up a battle as he's getting embarrassed until he was saved by the bell.

Thanos ran from Tyrant, but put up a better fight against him than Odin, who treated him like a stepchild in comparison.

Odin and Tyrant are way above top tiers such as Superman,Thor,and such. Thanos putting up a respectable fight against Odin was still on his fight is a testament to how powerful he was at the time and he actually even got more powerful after this battle. 😄

Thanos leaving the scene after obtaining what he wanted from a character that can beat on Galactus is no low showing.

Originally posted by fangirl101
superman can destroy planets. he was even able to make the source powered infinity man use a shield. darksied has taken superman's best punches on more than one occasion. so how does he not have incredible durability.

Doomsday made such short work of Darkseid. This is another blow to his lack of durability.

Superman has never on panel beaten Orion yet he has Darkseid. I think Orions durability is greater than Darkseid's as well. You see Darkseid avoids brawls and with good reason as he doesnt like getting his hands dirty.

Thanos' durability has never seen him lose on panel in a fair fight with a top tier. Never nver.

Originally posted by Avlon
Actually..."One shotted" Henshaw is COMPLETELY wrong in context to the story... why? Let's compare.

Darkseid used the omega beams on Doomsday which failed (as we all know) but buried him under briefly.

When Doomsday got up and went back...what did Darkseid say?

"Nobody have ever survive the omega beams from point blank range" as he charged up for a second attack.

To which DD KO'd him before we got to see what would happen.

Fast forward to Henshaw.

Darkseid has been restored/healed by the motherbox. Henshaw was fighting Superman 1 on 1. Darkseid then uses the same omega beams on Henshaw to what effect? "YOU FAILED" was Henshaws response.... and what happens? He KEEPS fighting Superman without missing a beat.

THEN...

While he's fighting Superman, Darkseid's healing is complete (AND he STATES...."My Powers are at their PEAK" specifically) and what happens?

He gets Henshaw with his STRONGEST beams at POINT BLANK range!

FAR from any kind of one shot as you claim. In fact, Henshaws showing was just as impressive as DD's since Doomsday wasn't fighting Superman at the same time. Otherwise..DS may have been able to do the same thing.

Back to your regular debate now...

So in a battle I fully feel Darkseid can oneshot him soon as he gets close he would end Henshaw.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid has been able to handle Superman for a time. But Superman is still just a top tier. Darkseid should always be able to handle what punishment he throws out. He has been beaten and actually submitted to a top tier alone. Over the past ten years he hasnt been able to deal the finishing blow to Superman on his own in a fair fight.

Doomsday made such short work of Darkseid. This is another blow to his lack of durability.

Superman has never on panel beaten Orion yet he has Darkseid. I think Orions durability is greater than Darkseid's as well. You see Darkseid avoids brawls and with good reason as he doesnt like getting his hands dirty.

Thanos' durability has never seen him lose on panel in a fair fight with a top tier. Never nver.

superman is just a top tier? lol. nope. he's stronger by a fair margin than any other top tier. with a static power lvl that can amp for the situation needed. darksied also was blasted by the anti-life being which we now know was as powerful as the source itself. there goes your theory that darkseid lacks durability. superman is just so powerful. he did make the source powered infinity man have to cage him in order to prevent from being defeated. fangirl101, score 1.

Originally posted by fangirl101
superman is just a top tier? lol. nope. he's stronger by a fair margin than any other top tier. with a static power lvl that can amp for the situation needed. darksied also was blasted by the anti-life being which we now know was as powerful as the source itself. there goes your theory that darkseid lacks durability. superman is just so powerful. he did make the source powered infinity man have to cage him in order to prevent from being defeated. fangirl101, score 1.

The Source being isnt any more powerful than the new gods souls though so in the grand scheme of things isnt even close to all powerful. That means the ale isnt anywhere close to as powerful as you thought it was as the Source had that going for it as well against Darkseid. Orion was needed and drove Darkseid off.

Supes was also beaten and handily by Cyborg. So he doesnt always rise above the occasion and needs help in order to stay alive. He wouldnt be on the jla if he didnt need help. The hero lives at the end of the story though but Supes has frequently needed help. He also needed help after Kalibak bashed him and the shadow demons had him down as well. He needs help is the point and is top tier.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gog from jsa made the Infinity thrall leave the scene. Supes was easily dealt with. He wasnt there to kill Supes which was the reason he lived without doing a thing.

The Source being isnt any more powerful than the new gods souls though so in the grand scheme of things isnt even close to all powerful. That means the ale isnt anywhere close to as powerful as you thought it was as the Source had that going for it as well against Darkseid. Orion was needed and drove Darkseid off.

Supes was also beaten and handily by Cyborg. So he doesnt always rise above the occasion and needs help in order to stay alive. He wouldnt be on the jla if he didnt need help. The hero lives at the end of the story though but Supes has frequently needed help. He also needed help after Kalibak bashed him and the shadow demons had him down as well. He needs help is the point and is top tier.

geez. no wonder i've seen posters insult. let's take a look at this shall we. the source powers all of dc's powers, gods ect. even the godwave with it's near presence like power. and it was only half as powerful without the anti-life merging with it. also, did you take the time to read death of the new gods? you didn't. it says that when you put one new god soul with another, just those two infinitly multiple power. darksied was drawing on the power of all the new gods souls multiplying each other at an astounding geometric rate. and even then darksied stated that he could not kill the source becuz all of that power was still the sources. you missed that didn't you. well it's ok. i'm here to help.

superman is on the jla more often than not to handle multiple threats like uber teams, or concepts like the quantums. you do realize that the shadow demons are not top tier beings dont' you. they are skygods that come from the antimatter universe. they usually destroy anything they touch that is matter. now now. it's ok. fangirl101, score:2.

Originally posted by fangirl101
geez. no wonder i've seen posters insult. let's take a look at this shall we. the source powers all of dc's powers, gods ect. even the godwave with it's near presence like power. and it was only half as powerful without the anti-life merging with it. also, did you take the time to read death of the new gods? you didn't. it says that when you put one new god soul with another, just those two infinitly multiple power. darksied was drawing on the power of all the new gods souls multiplying each other at an astounding geometric rate. and even then darksied stated that he could not kill the source becuz all of that power was still the sources. you missed that didn't you. well it's ok. i'm here to help.

superman is on the jla more often than not to handle multiple threats like uber teams, or concepts like the quantums. you do realize that the shadow demons are not top tier beings dont' you. they are skygods that come from the antimatter universe. they usually destroy anything they touch that is matter. now now. it's ok. fangirl101, score:2.

Superman needing help from a Kalibak punch and being crushed by Cyborg shows me he needs help. You have no basis for the shadow demon power level comment. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I understand that the new gods amped him up. But it wasnt limitless might and Darkseid couldnt destroy the Source but he still could capture him and imprison him. The infinity thrall powered by the Source also couldnt do a thing to Gog's thrall in the jsa. The Source is extremely powerful but not anywhere near as powerful as I previously thought. Not at all.

Superman needing help from a Kalibak punch and being crushed by Cyborg shows me he needs help. You have no basis for the shadow demon power level comment. 🙂

the source powers EVERTHING in the dcu. and it was only at half power.
the infinity man was amped up and still couldn't beat superman. before, he was superior to superman, ovbiously, superman has grown far far more powerful than he was. that is the only explaination. how can he still be top tier if he's far more powerful than he was 20 years ago? obviously gog in the jsa is uber power. cuz the jsa is like the most powerful team in comics and he handed them thier asses. the shadow demons made thier first appearance in crisis on infinite earths. it's really good. shows how the shadow demons are made of antimatter and they literally just go thru anything they touch. and superman commented on how darksied had amped them.

Originally posted by fangirl101
the source powers EVERTHING in the dcu. and it was only at half power.
the infinity man was amped up and still couldn't beat superman. before, he was superior to superman, ovbiously, superman has grown far far more powerful than he was. that is the only explaination. how can he still be top tier if he's far more powerful than he was 20 years ago? obviously gog in the jsa is uber power. cuz the jsa is like the most powerful team in comics and he handed them thier asses. the shadow demons made thier first appearance in crisis on infinite earths. it's really good. shows how the shadow demons are made of antimatter and they literally just go thru anything they touch. and superman commented on how darksied had amped them.

So in the same run we saw Kalibak and Mantis get the better of Supes and shadow demons overwhelm him quite easily.

Gog from jsa isnt as powerful as Gog from kingdom. If this Gog can drive off the Sources agent then the real Gog must be superpowerful and maybe even powerful enough to challenge the Source itself.

Supes beat the shadow demons before but Ds did amp them but saying they are skyfather level is incorrect.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin paid his respects to Thanos during the battle while the other characters that got in Odins way were quickly dismissed.

Odin and Tyrant are way above top tiers such as Superman,Thor,and such. Thanos putting up a respectable fight against Odin was still on his fight is a testament to how powerful he was at the time and he actually even got more powerful after this battle. 😄

Thanos leaving the scene after obtaining what he wanted from a character that can beat on Galactus is no low showing.

Odin "paying respect" by talking down to Thanos most of the time in no way makes Tyrants fight any better or worse.

Respectable fights against characters over the top tier is nothing that hasn't been done by Superman on various occasions.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok he was oneshotted when Darkseid was back at full power. He was close thats for sure but the only reason he survived the first attack was because he hadnt fully recovered yet. Soon as he did he made sure Henshaw wouldnt escape his second attack at full power and at close range.

So in a battle I fully feel Darkseid can oneshot him soon as he gets close he would end Henshaw.

How was he one shotted when it took both Superman and DS + 2 shots of the beams to take him out? Even Doomsday didn't deal with that in the same book.

Your logic when trying to find ways to make Thanos look better certainly takes some strange twists.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes he could he just didnt want to injure Supes and contained him rather easily after Supermans blows did nothing to even phase him.

So in the same run we saw Kalibak and Mantis get the better of Supes and shadow demons overwhelm him quite easily.

Gog from jsa isnt as powerful as Gog from kingdom. If this Gog can drive off the Sources agent then the real Gog must be superpowerful and maybe even powerful enough to challenge the Source itself.

Supes beat the shadow demons before but Ds did amp them but saying they are skyfather level is incorrect.

gog in jsa isn't as powerful as gog in the kingdom. gog in the kingdom had the colletive power of the quintessence. i'm not arguing that. i'm saying gog in jsa is super powerful as he beat the jsa. some of whom are above the top tier.

kalibak is as strong as superman on his own, and mantis has on occasion beaten green lanterns. so of course they could get the better of superman. the shadow demons are the shadow demons, look them up. they are quite uber.

Originally posted by fangirl101
geez luise. how can gog challenge the source itself when gog is an old god. created by the source.

gog in jsa isn't as powerful as gog in the kingdom. gog in the kingdom had the colletive power of the quintessence. i'm not arguing that. i'm saying gog in jsa is super powerful as he beat the jsa. some of whom are above the top tier.

kalibak is as strong as superman on his own, and mantis has on occasion beaten green lanterns. so of course they could get the better of superman. the shadow demons are the shadow demons, look them up. they are quite uber.

There are many characters that would beat the jsa. He isnt as uber as you think but maybe we should wait until the story is finished.

Kalibak could never hurt Tyrant or Doomsday with a lucky punch but it sure dropped Superman. because they are in the same league is what I am saying. Even though you maintain Supes is so much more powerful we have Kalibak knocking him silly something Darkseid hasnt been able to do with a punch.

Explain to me why you think the shadow demons are so powerful.