Originally posted by Tangible God
Panaka's line was valid, obvious and and irrelevant to this argument.
R2 is a hero in the OT and and in AOTC at least for the PT. He saved that ship and everyone on board, BUT, he did so since it was what he was programmed to do. And while that argument can be applied to soldiers on the front line, R2 was, is and always will be, artificial intelligence. Commending him for acts of bravery and innovation would be justified, as can be seen in the OT. But for doing his job and nothing more? No. [/B]
He saved the ship. Is that what droids are programmed for? I've asked repeatedly for examples when R2 or other droids fixed shields in the PT, the silence has been deafening.
We don't know if he was 'just doing his job.' Maybe he crossed wires and attached the doohickey in ways that isn't in the manual, and thus fixed the shields and saved the ship.
Originally posted by queeq
Why WERE they shocked and amazed? Good question, I can't understand WHY they said that. That is the whole poitn here: there is no reason for them to be so shocked. Please let us in on the secret, George, we as an audience want to participate in what's going on...
[QUOT]Establishing dialogue???? Is taht a neat word for easy writing??? When anyone would say without any emotion: I love you. Waht does that tell you? That this person ACTUALLY REALLY loves that person or that he's lying? You'd call that establishing dialogue (if he say he loves her, then he does) but if you don't really get it... it's worthless. Like the commendation scene with R2. It may have been great but why didn't we see its greatness??? [/B][/QUOTE]
Establishing dialogue, like saying somebody's name early in a movie when you never would. Like when Leia says "Darth Vader. Only you could be so bold." So, we learned the name of the big guy in the black suit, when Leia perfectly well knew his name. Like in ROTJ when Luke says "You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Originally posted by chinabingActually I haven't got one. Don't know what happened to it. I'll just take out "valid" and replace it wit "makes sense." Still useless though. Proves nothing.
No, it is not irrevelant. Ya mind explaining how a line can be both "valid" and "irrelevant?" Woo-hoo that's a good one! Got a dictionary in the house? I suggest you read it.
Originally posted by chinabingSo if R2 brought the Queen a Latte, he'd be called super uberly awesome because we haven't seen him deliver Latte's in the OT? Assumption much?
He saved the ship. Is that what droids are programmed for? I've asked repeatedly for examples when R2 or other droids fixed shields in the PT, the silence has been deafening.We don't know if he was 'just doing his job.' Maybe he crossed wires and attached the doohickey in ways that isn't in the manual, and thus fixed the shields and saved the ship.
Originally posted by chinabingDo you KNOW he fixed the shield beyond his programming?
Uh, because R2 just fixed the shield and saved the ship, showing prowress beyond his programming. Maybe droids don't fix shields, or this the way he does, that's why they're so shocked. You don't need Lucas explaining every little thing, like a Svenjolly.
Originally posted by Tangible God
I'll just take out "valid" and replace it wit "makes sense." Still useless though. Proves nothing.
"Makes sense" eh? Oh, Panaka's line makes sense. It's a fine line. It proves Panaka, Ric Olie, were amazed by R2's finesse.
Whethere you think they *should* have been amazed is another point. Face is, they were! That should be good enough for you. The fact R2 did some amazing work brings him into the whole saga.
So if R2 brought the Queen a Latte, he'd be called super uberly awesome because we haven't seen him deliver Latte's in the OT? Assumption much?
Bring the queen a cupa joe isn't saving the lives of all aboard a ship. But R2 continues to surprise in every film.
Actually, we have to make assumptions because there isn't enough time in the movie for Lucas to explain the shield dynamics, love, the Force and the midichlorians and keep it under 6 hours.
But we don't SEE an amazing feat. We saw it ANH, some 30 years ago. Lucas could let R2 do clearly unusual things for a droids. But now we just can't see what's so great about his actions. All we have is Panaka (the compulsary black guy in a sherrif's role) and bloody Ric Olie. Well, I am so impressed.
And the queen, she too was impressed. That's 3 characters with lines who were impressed. Maybe it is more difficult than we can see. I dunno. But what's on the screen tells us that what R2 did was incredible, according to those who were there. Fixing the shields after they blast away 3 of his counterparts is pretty amazing.
Lucas doesn't have time to explain everything. What is explained is R2 did an amazing thing. How do we know this? The characters said so, and more than one of them I might add. They practically gave R2 a medal.
Originally posted by chinabingThe Queen's reason for her remark: She's young, naive, a softy. Not to mention she was lacking any emotion her tone. She was simply just agreeing with Panaka to move on to more interesting matters. Did you see how fast they all shrugged off the issue?
And the queen, she too was impressed. That's 3 characters with lines who were impressed. Maybe it is more difficult than we can see. I dunno. But what's on the screen tells us that what R2 did was incredible, according to those who were there. Fixing the shields after they blast away 3 of his counterparts is pretty amazing.Lucas doesn't have time to explain everything. What is explained is R2 did an amazing thing. How do we know this? The characters said so, and more than one of them I might add. They practically gave R2 a medal.
Panaka's: Did he actually say something which expressed impressment instead of delayed relief?
Ric Olie's: When he said his line it was at a moment when he realized he was going to get disintegrated. Again, massive relief.