Most/Least Validated Villains?

Who would you say are the most and least validated in all of comics?
I want to know which villains you think have the most and least justified actions. Which ones had the best and worst reasons for doing what they have done?

As for my personal choices:

Most Validated: Magneto by far
Least Validated: Joker

Oh without a doubt, Magneto for the former. I'd agree with The Joker as well...but as I'm typing this out, a thought popped into my head...

If The Joker really isn't lying when he says he just wants to make people laugh, is he as evil as he comes off? Granted, the guy's a psycho and he's one of the best (if not THE best) villains out there, but if he has a motive of making people laugh...perhaps someone that is just driven by greed should top him, like Lex Luthor. Hm...

I think Joker has the best reason for doing what he's done.

Namely: He's a psychopath. 😐

As for least, I'd say Mr. Sinister. He had the Morlocks massacred because he recognized his mutation methods were used on them

Originally posted by NoFate007
Oh without a doubt, Magneto for the former. I'd agree with The Joker as well...but as I'm typing this out, a thought popped into my head...

If The Joker really isn't lying when he says he just wants to make people laugh, is he as evil as he comes off? Granted, the guy's a psycho and he's one of the best (if not THE best) villains out there, but if he has a motive of making people laugh...perhaps someone that is just driven by greed should top him, like Lex Luthor. Hm...

While I am by no means saying Lex is validated in what he does I do believe there are ALLOT of MUCH WORSE motivated villains out there! IMO

Actually I think Joker is perfectly aware of what he is doing.
Granted he is sick but I have always really thought he was fully in control of his actions and aware of just how horrific they are.

He is just an incredibly sick bastard!

Originally posted by Entity
Actually I think Joker is perfectly aware of what he is doing.
Granted he is sick but I have always really thought he was fully in control of his actions and aware of just how horrific they are.

He is just an incredibly sick bastard!

Oh, granted, he's in control

But that wasn't what was twisted after the chemical-bath.

It's his reasoning and logic.
He does things, lacking purpose or apparent cause, simply because he deems it 'neccessary', or because he feels like it. He doesnt for a second take into consideration such things as consequences, odds, or danger to himself.

He can't grasp such concepts (not to mention innocence and guilt) because he's a deranged psychopath.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Oh, granted, he's in control

But that wasn't what was twisted after the chemical-bath.

It's his reasoning and logic.
He does things, lacking purpose or apparent cause, simply because he deems it 'neccessary', or because he feels like it. He doesnt for a second take into consideration such things as consequences, odds, or danger to himself.

He can't grasp such concepts (not to mention innocence and guilt) because he's a deranged psychopath.

I personally disagree. I still hold that I believe he is fully aware of the horror and guilt in what he does, I just think he gets off on it. He is a sociopath not a psychopath, meaning he know the difference between right and wrong, (or innocence and guilt) he just doesn't care.

Like I said, IMO, he's just a sick bastard

Originally posted by Entity
Who would you say are the most and least validated in all of comics?
I want to know which villains you think have the most and least justified actions. Which ones had the best and worst reasons for doing what they have done?

As for my personal choices:

Most Validated: Magneto by far
Least Validated: Joker

Magneto? 🤨

So being in the holocaust justifies going around and killing millions of people for no reason other than you're own evil view of superiority which only justifies the hate that is brought against the people you lead?!?

Yeah he's REALLY validated 🙄

Originally posted by Grimm22
Magneto? 🤨

So being in the holocaust justifies going around and killing millions of people for no reason other than you're own evil view of superiority which only justifies the hate that is brought against the people you lead?!?

Yeah he's REALLY validated 🙄

Its not just because he was in the holocaust, its because he is really doing it because he is truly trying to keep what happened to his Jewish people from happening to anyone else. He just believes that to stop their persecution they should assault in return.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Magneto? 🤨

So being in the holocaust justifies going around and killing millions of people for no reason other than you're own evil view of superiority which only justifies the hate that is brought against the people you lead?!?

Yeah he's REALLY validated 🙄

He is validated! As a jew he saw his people being persecuted and masscred and back then,powerless. As a mutant, he wants to protect his people, other mutants, from being persecuted the way the jews were. Which they have always being persecuted because they were different. Maybe his methods are extreme but deep down all he wants is help his people.

Least validated:Joker of course and maybe Dr.Doom, he really has no reason for being the way he is. Jealousy made him the way he is.

Originally posted by Entity
Its not just because he was in the holocaust, its because he is really doing it because he is truly trying to keep what happened to his Jewish people from happening to anyone else. He just believes that to stop their persecution they should assault in return.

Sure he is 🙄

You could say the same thing about Hitler in some ways 😐

He's a freakin facist, just without the arm patch and the death camps

Hitler was the one doing the persecuting! Mutants have been persecuted all their life. Magneto is just looking out for them, in his own, violent way 😄

By persecuting non-mutants?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Sure he is 🙄

You could say the same thing about Hitler in some ways 😐

He's a freakin facist, just without the arm patch and the death camps

Magneto isn't Hitler at all!
Was Hitler doing what he did to protect a minority from the persecution of the stronger majority?
Did Hitler witness first hand the horror of having your own people massacred simply because they had different beliefs?
Or so some little shit with inferiority and compensation issues could make himself feel big bad and powerful just because he had been weak and constantly unsuccessful the rest of his life before?

Magneto may be becoming what he hates but it is for completely different and far more valid reasons.

So to protect a minority from oppression you have to make yourself into what people oppressed the minority for in the first place?!? 🤨

Magneto and Xavier are two sides of the same coin. Their motivation is the same, their methods differ. That's always been a central point to their confrontation. To say that he's just a standard cookie-cutter villain without acknowledging the complex underlying justification for his actions, simply shows a lack of understanding of the character.

Originally posted by Grimm22
So to protect a minority from oppression you have to make yourself into what people oppressed the minority for in the first place?!? 🤨

The question should be, If mutants werent persecuted, Would Magneto be the way he is? Probably not.

Originally posted by Grimm22
So to protect a minority from oppression you have to make yourself into what people oppressed the minority for in the first place?!? 🤨

Punisher hates cold-blooded killers.

How does he solve this?

He kills them.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
The question should be, If mutants werent persecuted, Would Magneto be the way he is? Probably not.

Maybe not, but that doesn't justify what he does in anyway 😐

Would a black man killing white people be justified because his ancestors were slaves? No

Is a jewish man killing germans justified because germans killed 6 million jewish people? No

Magneto doesn't even attack Mutant haters most of the time, he simply kills innocent people in his quest for power. He just hides behind his hypocritical 'justification'

Actually a good Villian for being validated is the Juggernaut
In New Excalibur on his quest for the gem we find out that Cain's powers also bring forth and seem to amplify any evil thought he has. So his reason for being a bad guy is that his powers corrupted him

Least Validated: Joker or Dr. Doom