Most/Least Validated Villains?

Started by Grimm223 pages

Originally posted by Newjak
Actually a good Villian for being validated is the Juggernaut
In New Excalibur on his quest for the gem we find out that Cain's powers also bring forth and seem to amplify any evil thought he has. So his reason for being a bad guy is that his powers corrupted him

Least Validated: Joker or Dr. Doom

The power didn't corrupt him

He was already that way. He simply used the power to fulfil his darkest desires

It wasn't until he met that mutant kid, until he started to change his ways

Originally posted by Grimm22
The power didn't corrupt him

He was already that way. He simply used the power to fulfil his darkest desires

It wasn't until he met that mutant kid, until he started to change his ways

No they changed that. We find out that yes Cain had anger issues and stuff like that before hand but that Gem brings it all to the forefront and amplifes it by basically having every evil uttered in his head over and over by his bad side.

Sp yeah Cain was a mean Son of before hand but he wasn't quite the maniac yet that didn't come out until he ahd the Gem's powers corrupting him.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Maybe not, but that doesn't justify what he does in anyway 😐

Would a black man killing white people be justified because his ancestors were slaves? No

Is a jewish man killing germans justified because germans killed 6 million jewish people? No

Magneto doesn't even attack Mutant haters most of the time, he simply kills innocent people in his quest for power. He just hides behind his hypocritical 'justification'

No one is saying his murder of innocent people is justified.

But he has valid motive behind his descent to villainy.

As a child he witnessed the persecution and internment of his family as Jews, and his mother, father and sister were murdered in the Holocaust. As an adult he again witnessed his daughter's death due to indifference and bigotry.

The motivation for his actions has always been a fear that one day ordinary humans would persecute mutants for being different in the same way that Jews were persecuted in Nazi Germany. He believes that war between mutants and humans is an eventuality and he's prepared to fight back. His belief has been vindicated by the advent of things like the Mutant Registration Act, the nation of Genosha and their mutate slaves and Sentinels with the prime directive of hunting, capturing and killing mutants. Rachel Summers hails from a future where Magneto's nightmare has become reality.

The grand irony of his actions is that he has become the things he hates in order to prevent his nightmares from occurring.

As a villain his motivation is one of the most understandable and valid, which is the purpose of this thread. And under different circumstances he has been a hero at times.

To simply say "Well he kills people." defeats the purpose of the thread.

I think it's safe to say that Magneto isn't the most validated out there.

Magneto is just the Malcolm X to Xavier's Martin Luthor.

Similar motivations, different methods.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No one is saying his murder of innocent people is justified.

But he has valid motive behind his descent to villainy.

As a child he witnessed the persecution and internment of his family as Jews, and his mother, father and sister were murdered in the Holocaust. As an adult he again witnessed his daughter's death due to indifference and bigotry.

The motivation for his actions has always been a fear that one day ordinary humans would persecute mutants for being different in the same way that Jews were persecuted in Nazi Germany. He believes that war between mutants and humans is an eventuality and he's prepared to fight back. His belief has been vindicated by the advent of things like the Mutant Registration Act, the nation of Genosha and their mutate slaves and Sentinels with the prime directive of hunting, capturing and killing mutants. Rachel Summers hails from a future where Magneto's nightmare has become reality.

[QUOTE=8191372]Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]The grand irony of his actions is that he has become the things he hates in order to prevent his nightmares from occurring.

I know what you mean and I think that's what makes it such an interesting storyline, and it's shown in one issue where Xavier sees this and points it out to Mags. ✅

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
As a villain his motivation is one of the most understandable and valid, which is the purpose of this thread. And under different circumstances he has been a hero at times.

I agree entirely he could be considered justified because of his intentions, but the actions he takes to solve the problem are in no way justified 🙂

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
To simply say "Well he kills people." defeats the purpose of the thread.

Whilst I see your point here I respectfully disagree. That statement ("Well he kills people"😉 simply, yet very accurately shows the reasoning behind why ultimately Magneto isn't entirely justified ✅

Originally posted by willRules
I agree entirely he could be considered justified because of his intentions, but the actions he takes to solve the problem are in no way justified 🙂

Whilst I see your point here I respectfully disagree. That statement ("Well he kills people"😉 simply, yet very accurately shows the reasoning behind why ultimately Magneto isn't entirely justified ✅

Like I said, his methods are in no way justified. But his motives, the reasons behind him descending to villainy, are very much valid. No villain is going to be entirely justified, but as villains go one can empathize with Magneto's position a lot more than most.

Joker, by far.

He's shown that if he had the power to do it (Emperor Joker), he'd kill trillions without giving it a second thought.

(Least validated, that is)

Originally posted by willRules
I know what you mean and I think that's what makes it such an interesting storyline, and it's shown in one issue where Xavier sees this and points it out to Mags. ✅

I agree entirely he could be considered justified because of his intentions, but the actions he takes to solve the problem are in no way justified 🙂

Whilst I see your point here I respectfully disagree. That statement ("Well he kills people"😉 simply, yet very accurately shows the reasoning behind why ultimately Magneto isn't entirely justified ✅

Exactly ✅

Magneto says he kills to protect 'his people', but he is also the one saying that mutants are superior to humans. Funny, Hitler said the same thing about the Jews 🙄

I believe Joker may not be the most, but one of the most validated villains out there.

He's a psychopath. He has no way to reason with his own horrendous actions. I'm not justifying them, as Xmarks has pointed out. But he DOES have one of the best reasons for being the way he is.

If I have time, I'll try to find the scan of Batman explaining that to Spectre. That Joker can't be truly judged in a world of right and wrong, because he doesnt live or act by one. Where some people see everything in black or white, Joker sees completley in colors... (or gray. you can decide what metaphor you like best)

Yes, he's still a mass murderer, and by no means should he be pardoned. But he has a much more valid reason for killing someone then half the other villains out there. He has control over his actions, but is incabale of reasoning based on any sense of morality or justice.

Most validated: I'd have to go with Magneto as well as most of you. I mean, sure, his methods may be kind of evil to us, but afterall, he IS a villain still.

He's pushes the envelope in terms of having justification yet still being a villain and I think that's what Grimm needs to recognize. Nobody here (as far as I know) is saying that Magneto is right or that he's a hero or something, but we are saying that, as far as villains go, he is one of the most validated.

Least validated: Hmmm, maybe Carnage.

Least Validated Villian:

*Lawbringer QZTR- from the Negation Series, Lawbringer QZTR murders entire civlizations, destroys planets, and tortures mortals, claiming all is in service to his father, Lord Charon, but QZTR is a sick f*ck who delights in the disgusting methods of torturing and killing people.

He far surpasses the likes of Joker and Carnage, because Lawbringer QZTR is responsible for cosmic-scale genocide...he has killed and tortured farr more people than Joker or Carnage ever had, he makes them look like a joke....

Most Validated Villain:

Galactus- He devours worlds because he HAS TO. He has no choice, he would die otherwise. He is also an essential force to Marvel's universe. Nuff' said

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]Most Validated Villain:

Galactus- He devours worlds because he HAS TO. He has no choice, he would die otherwise. He is also an essential force to Marvel's universe. Nuff' said [/B]

I wouldn't call Galactus a villain, but you're right with that ✅

For least validated: Doom does come to mind, but at the same time I would say that he isn't as bad as other villans. Doom doesn't act without some kind of reason, meaning he doesn't just go out and kill people for no reason

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Most validated: I'd have to go with Magneto as well as most of you. I mean, sure, his methods may be kind of evil to us, but afterall, he IS a villain still.

He's pushes the envelope in terms of having justification yet still being a villain and I think that's what Grimm needs to recognize. Nobody here (as far as I know) is saying that Magneto is right or that he's a hero or something, but we are saying that, as far as villains go, he is one of the most validated.

Least validated: Hmmm, maybe Carnage.

Pretty much 😬

I'm not saying Magneto isn't validated at all, but he isn't nearly as validated as other villains

I would say for Most Validated, Zoom. He became a villain not for greed or out of hate, but to try to make Wally a better hero.

What about Demogoblin? Doesn't he think he's purifying his enemies?

Most Validated 😮zymandias from the Watchmen. Was he right to do what he did ?, i think they'll be arguing that one for a long time to come.

Least Validated:The Spectre, although not a villain par se, could some explain to me why the **** an ALL LOVING God needs a spirit of Vengeance ?

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.

Least Validated:The Spectre, although not a villain par se, could some explain to me why the **** an ALL LOVING God needs a spirit of Vengeance ?

If you read the Spectre comics sometime, you'll see they touch on that topic often.

The souls make that decision for themselves, Spectre just helps them along.

Originally posted by Juntai
If you read the Spectre comics sometime, you'll see they touch on that topic often.

The souls make that decision for themselves, Spectre just helps them along.

Oh, so the wizard Shazam wanted to be killed. 🙄

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
Oh, so the wizard Shazam wanted to be killed. 🙄
I said the soul, not the person. 🙂

And Shazam didn't die, only changed forms.
Billy is all he was.

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
Oh, so the wizard Shazam wanted to be killed. 🙄

Nope, like everyone else who dies, he made the choice through lack of good moral reasoning ✅