Honestly, what do people have against Hillary?

Originally posted by Alliance
Al Gore was 10%, but it matters not. These are DEMOCRATS, not Americans.

I strongly envision Howard Dean pushing for Obama. The problem, imo, is that Hillary can't win a general election. It won't be an pwning as you suggest, but I don't think she would win. However, she is brilliant, her husband is the best campaigner in the US, and she has enough cash to do anything. You can't just throw that away.

That's why I'd like Hillary to be VP to Obama. The question is whether or not she'd accept that position.

However, The Republican party has its own problems. McCain would have a hard time getting a nomination for the party. Giuliani has nothign to run on, except 9-11, and I'd REALLY like to see that campaign stategy end.

Howard Dean is a twot. Obama's doing great so far, and is good at reaching liberals, moderates, and even a few conservatives.

He'd be smart to shy away from Dean.

You're right, she can't win in a general election, that's the point.

She'll never take the backseat to Obama, she's been waiting for this since 1992.

He'd be smart to run as the VP, then after 8 years of Hillary, he can have his 8 years. However that won't work, because even with Obama as a running mate, she won't win.

As for the Republicans, McCain will have no problem getting the nomination, just watch.

If he were to team with Guilianni as his VP, then Hillary would have no chance.

The Dems only hope is that they can change thier minds to rally behind Obama.

Nothing else will get them a win.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
He'd be smart to shy away from Dean.

Dean is a brilliant politicain, and despite your personal distaste for him, HE is responsible for our wins in 06 as chairman of the Democratic party.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
She'll never take the backseat to Obama, she's been waiting for this since 1992.

He'd be smart to run as the VP, then after 8 years of Hillary, he can have his 8 years. However that won't work, because even with Obama as a running mate, she won't win.

and thats the trick. Thats why Hillary should have 8 years under Obama, and then she can run. It revolves areound her doing what is imo, best for the party. It gives her a chance to rebuild her credibility.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
[B]As for the Republicans, McCain will have no problem getting the nomination, just watch.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Nothing else will get them a win.

You underestimate other candidates. Bill Richardson comes to mind.

Originally posted by Soleran
Hey it's the reality of the situation like it or not, telling them to "grow up" and "respect" other people will certainly get ALOT of votes huh 😱 😆

Its not the reality at all, Obama will prove otherwise.

Americans are dumb.

Originally posted by Alliance
Its not the reality at all, Obama will prove otherwise.

Americans are dumb.

It's a good thing you're not in politics.

I also hope you're not an American.

Originally posted by Alliance
Dean is a brilliant politicain, and despite your personal distaste for him, HE is responsible for our wins in 06 as chairman of the Democratic party.

😛 Couldn't resist.

Originally posted by Alliance

and thats the trick. Thats why Hillary should have 8 years under Obama, and then she can run. It revolves areound her doing what is imo, best for the party. It gives her a chance to rebuild her credibility.

And I agree with you. It's just that with these types of polls telling her that she's favored 2 to 1 (almost 3 to 1) over Obama at this point, I don't see her giving him the Presidency. She's worked too hard for it.

Plus, then we'd have a white woman taking orders and being subserviant to a black man. With a muslim name at that! Can you imagine what that'd do to galvanize the southern vote against them?

😛 J/k.

Originally posted by Alliance

McCain has massive inner-party issues, and he's sticking his guns behind the increase-troop policy. Imo, both things will get him in trouble come nomination/election time.

Most evangelicals (100 million or 1/3rd of the country at last count) and conservative Repbulicans will vote for him, and I have a feeling that most moderates will too.

He's broken with the party at certain times (helps him stay in good with moderates) and he's allied with Bush on the troops (helps him stay in with hard-liners).

The question to moderates, conservatives, and evangelicals will be:

Do you want him or Hillary?

They'll pick him, and 35-40% of the county will vote for Hillary.

Again, Obama is their best shot.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
😛 Couldn't resist.

He's excited about politics. Whats wrong with that? 😛

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And I agree with you. It's just that with these types of polls telling her that she's favored 2 to 1 (almost 3 to 1) over Obama at this point, I don't see her giving him the Presidency. She's worked too hard for it.

She will if she realizes she can't win. However, Like Obama, she has a long political life yet. VOTERS will have an heavy influence on the nomination. in 04 people didn't even mention Kerry until after NH and IA. Trust me, I will be doing more than my part to get Obama elected. I'm confident he will get the nomination, especially once the Debates start and all candidates are put on an equal stage.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Plus, then we'd have a white woman taking orders and being subserviant to a black man. With a Muslim name at that! Can you imagine what that'd do to galvanize the southern vote against them?

😛 J/k.

😒: If thats an issue they should have their citizenship revoked.

OMG a Muslim name #firefirefireph# Don't tell them he attended Muslim and Catholic school for two year each...and he's from a single parent family...and a civil rights lawyer....and his last name sounds like Osama...and his middle name is Hussein...and he has kids...and he's black...and he married a black woman...and e tolerates atheism...and he's a real Chirstian and not an conservative Evangelical psycho...and he understands complexity...and thats enough.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Most evangelicals (100 million or 1/3rd of the country at last count) and conservative Repbulicans will vote for him, and I have a feeling that most moderates will too.

You're saying that conservative evangelicals will vote for a pro-choice soft-on-gays candidate?

jk...😬

Originally posted by sithsaber408
He's broken with the party at certain times (helps him stay in good with moderates) and he's allied with Bush on the troops (helps him stay in with hard-liners).

This association between the military and Bush makes me want to commit suicide. Isn't the military supposed to be apolitical? I support the military more than Bush does. It's not a conservative thing at all. I'd argue that Democrats care more about soldiers rights than Republicans, who seemingly care more about the military industry and selling nuclear reactors to North Korea.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
They'll pick him

Not if he doesn't get the nomination. Besides, many sane evangelicals, (the 2/3 that aren't conservative) will vote for Obama, so your strategy fails 😉

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Again, Obama is their best shot.

In my opinion as well, that's why I'll be campaigning for him.

HILLAY

Originally posted by Alliance
Dean is a brilliant politicain, and despite your personal distaste for him, HE is responsible for our wins in 06 as chairman of the Democratic party.

Actually, I think that the person most responsible for the Dems takeover of congress and the senate (many of them were 52 to 48% don't forget) is ....

George W. Bush. 😛

Dean is still a twot.

BIAAAAWWW!!!

HILLAY

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Actually, I think that the person most responsible for the Dems takeover of congress and the senate (many of them were 52 to 48% don't forget) is ....

George W. Bush. 😛

Dean is still a twot.

BIAAAAWWW!!!

George Bush's unpopularity alone did not deliver the Democrats 33 House seats and 6 Senate seats. Howard Dean built up the state Democratic parties in former 'red states' like Colorado and Indiana with his brilliant 50 State strategy. He also fielded candidates that could win (pro-life Democrats in pro-life regions, etc.)

Also, Rahm Emanuel, as the head of the DCCC, was smart enough to pour lots of money into races they could win if they had more publicity.

As much as I'd like to give all the credit for the Republican implosion to Bush, it was not 😬

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Actually, I think that the person most responsible for the Dems takeover of congress and the senate (many of them were 52 to 48% don't forget) is ....

George W. Bush. 😛

Nah. People weren't exactly staging a protest vote. Protest votes really can't be that big. There were other factors.

and Dean is incharge of one of this nations political parties so, like it or not, he's a major player.

Originally posted by Strangelove
We can also thank Rahm Emanuel

Yes. I like Emanuel a lot...another Chicagoan 🙂.

His strategy worked well, but Dean also played a major role.

Originally posted by Alliance
Yes. I like Emanuel a lot...another Chicagoan 🙂.

His strategy worked well, but Dean also played a major role.

Also the also?

Originally posted by Alliance
Also the also?

😬

Why do a lot of people hate Hillary Clinton so much?

Because a lot of people fall for the Republican propaganda that she's a heartless *****

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=438051 🙂

Because we are humans and hate each other

Sorry, should've searched first.