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Nope... the Unusual OT Pics make you know why you love SW.

And Alliance, the PT is much more flawed than just dialogue. One very simple and fairly crucial thing is: why is Anakin such a whiny, arrogant little sh!t? How can we feel sympathy with this guy who is supposed to bring balance? Where is the good friend ANH Ben Kenobi mentions? Why the heck does Padme fall in love with this schmuck??? The whole character of Anakin does not work... that in my opinion is a major flaw and that causes a lot of the films (including the OT) to lose its flavour. If you can't understand the hero's actions, the hero is not interesting.

Originally posted by queeq
Nope... the Unusual OT Pics make you know why you love SW.

And Alliance, the PT is much more flawed than just dialogue. One very simple and fairly crucial thing is: why is Anakin such a whiny, arrogant little sh!t? How can we feel sympathy with this guy who is supposed to bring balance? Where is the good friend ANH Ben Kenobi mentions? Why the heck does Padme fall in love with this schmuck??? The whole character of Anakin does not work... that in my opinion is a major flaw and that causes a lot of the films (including the OT) to lose its flavour. If you can't understand the hero's actions, the hero is not interesting.

Anakin had to have character flaws; otherwise, how could he have been influenced by Darth Sidious into falling to the Dark Side?
Anakin had a good heart, but he had a problem of wanting too much. A desire for power - to do what he believes is the right thing for the galaxy, like freeing all slaves on Tatooine - it ultimately didn't mesh with the more passive Jedi principles of influence. Anakin would find he had more in common with Sith principles - power not used is power wasted - and found he was wrong that power corrupts, as well. He had a romantic side to his reckless nature - that's what drew Padme to him.
Luke would have some of the same flaws, and was on the verge of falling himself in ROTJ, but manages to succeed where Anakin failed, by pulling back at the last minute.

Yeah yeah.. when do we SEE Anakin has a good heart older than nine years old? NEVER!!!

Where is the 'good friend' OB1 mentions in ANH? I didn't see him in the PT? Why does anybody are about Anakin? Nobody does, well OB1... but nah... Not a guy we can cheer for, as we could for Luke. That doesn't mean he has to be perfect, please no, taht's not sympathetic either. But Anakin is just an a$$.

Ten years passed between TPM and AOTC; long enough for the two to have bonded and for Obi-Wan to consider him a friend. It just that by the beginning of Clones, we see him now as a 20-year old chafing under Obi-Wan's strict, by-the-book principles. Obi-Wan is aware of how much more lecturing he seems to have to do, but they still work together because of past loyalty. Anakin may have turned out differently had Qui-Gon lived to be his teacher - one of the signature turning points in his destiny.

What we don't see is not there. Unless we feel it underneath. In AOTC there is neither, so canonwise it is not there. There is no evidence at all for a good friendship.

Originally posted by queeq
What we don't see is not there. Unless we feel it underneath. In AOTC there is neither, so canonwise it is not there. There is no evidence at all for a good friendship.

What does canon have to do with any of this?

It's there because George Lucas says it's there. Enough said.

You feel you have to see every day of the ten years between Obi-Wan and Anakin to be convinced? To see how he evolved from a bright, bold kid into a moody young man? (lots of kids become moody once they hit the teenage years.)
If you stop to think about the characters, you can find your answers without having a filmmaker just blunty tell you what is happening. Anakin was made an apprentice at an unacceptably old age, but was made an exception because of his huge potential. He already had a value system and family attachments - Jedi are found at a much earlier age, so attachments can't be formed. Anakin still couldn't let go of his previous life, and wrestled with the Jedi principle of solitude, which forbids marriage. This is going on under the surface for him by the time we see him again in AOTC. It's referred to in indirect ways through the film, and Obi-Wan is concerned Anakin doesn't have the emotional maturity to handle his gifts. You can discover all this if you reason it out, from what was seen before and what Anakin says now.
George Lucas trusts his audience to figure things out, without him having to explain every single detail.

Originally posted by roughrider
It's there because George Lucas says it's there. Enough said.

Well,he should have said it in his film, not in interviews ABOUT the film. Major flaw.

Originally posted by queeq
Well,he should have said it in his film, not in interviews ABOUT the film. Major flaw.

You just proved my point. 😉

No I didn't. If he said so, why didn't he make it clear in the movies.

You can SAY James Bond is gay, but there's no movie where you have a clue that he really is.

You proved my point - intelligent fans and moviegoers can figure things out.

Other fans apparently need to be told everything - in BIG BOLD LETTERS.

That Anakin was a show off he couldent tell the difference between good or bad. Luke took orders from obi wan all through the OT . The emprore tryed very hard to turn him but he didnt . Thats why we love the OT coz lukes a hero and anakin is a loser coz he turned to the dark side . Also luke had very little training given by obi wan and yoda but the force was strong with him

Originally posted by roughrider
You proved my point - intelligent fans and moviegoers can figure things out.

Other fans apparently need to be told everything - in BIG BOLD LETTERS.

Told??? That has to do with sympathizing? I can't care less for Anakin because he's such a dick. I can't understand why Ob1 says he loved him or that he was a good friend? I don't have to be told, but I want to feel what the characters do say is true. And I don't believe Anakin was a good friend, he was an a$$hole. And a$$hole that couldn't even turn back by himself, he needed a self sacrificing act from his son to do one good act in his post-9 year old life.

You don't know the difference between sympathizing and empathizing, do you?

Empathy comes naturally when you feel sympathy for someone. Both are lacking in PT Anakin...

I feel more for the ROTJ redeemed Vader than for the entire PT Anakin.

Originally posted by queeq
Empathy comes naturally when you feel sympathy for someone. Both are lacking in PT Anakin...

I feel more for the ROTJ redeemed Vader than for the entire PT Anakin.

Exactly.
We can't really sympathize with young Anakin - he makes one wrong decision after another, and gets further into the darkness until he can't stop himself and get out. But there is empathy for him, because we can see where these decisions come from, and how they are borne out of his upbringing and nature. If he stood back and thought more about what he did, he could have avoided the tragic choices he makes, but he was blinded too much by his own confidence and by the master gamesmanship of Palpatine - he successfully fooled everyone, Obi-Wan admitted.
So people expecting to watch a conventional hero at work in the PT will be disappointed. But they should have known better, if they know the tragic destiny awaiting Anakin, who must take partial blame for his fall despite Palpatine - it was in his nature. The Jedi Order sensed it at first, but would choose to overlook it, thus their inevitable downfall.
It would take the final day of his life for Anakin to redeem himself and throw off the darkness in ROTJ; you are right to have sympathy there. In the end, he would become the hero, fulfill the prophecy and destroy the Sith (as George Lucas pointed out.)

Tragic? The point is, Anakin is NOT tragic. He's just a dick that gets what coming to him. That's not tragic, that getting what you deserve. So why can tehre be empathy.
Point is, there may be all this sympathetic and empathetic intentions (it works a lot better in the novels I think) but there is hardly anything of that in the movies. And that is all that counts.

I mean, in the OT I wanted Luke to win, I wanted Han to be saved, I wanted Luke to defeat Vader but not give in to the Dark Side.
I never felt about Anakin that he shouldn't turn. He was going to turn and that was clear the first scene we saw him in AOTC: a guy who goes his own way and doesn't like to be told what to do. Presto: instant a$$hole, just add some Dark Side.

Then we just agree to disagree. You and I are seeing different things in the films; that's all.

Well, talking about seeing... where DO you see the 'good friend' Anakin?

You want to keep this going?

Go back up to my second post on this page, and read again.

We are going in circles here.

All you said so far is that it's there because Lucas says so. I don't see it, nor any evidence that may suggest so.