30th Anniversary - When is the re-release?

So tell me...
When you watched the OT (I'll assume for the moment you watched that first) and Obi-Wan tells Luke how Anakin was a good friend, and how in becoming Dath Vader "the good man that was your father was destroyed", did you sit there full of disbelief? Because nothing that we had seen in Vader to that point supported that statement? And that Luke was reaching with a statement like "there is still good in him"? Vader would only make it true in the climatic scene; prior to that there were only small hints. I think it's more likely you believed Obi-Wan and took him at his word, despite there being no screen time or flashback to show it.
Yet, you demand more proof when we see Anakin becoming a young man, at a time when we see him chafing under Obi-Wan's disciplined guidance, because his great power with the force is starting to make him reckless, even arrogant. Plus, struggling with the forbidden notion of attachment, when he was still attached to his former life and hadn't given up on a relationship with Padme.
Like before, I will take Obi-Wan at his word that they were friends, even like brothers, despite the fact we see him mostly in a troubled period, vunerable to the scheming turns of fate created by Palpatine.

I don't demand proof to show Anakin was basically a good man, I take that as info. But it would be nice, and that is very important in filmmaking, to sympathize with OB1 about his loss. Seeing this arrogant prick running around for two movies, I cannot think otherwise than 'good riddens'... I just can't share OB1's emotion of loss there, except maybe self pity about his own failure.
So.. I take it fact, like you do, but I would have thought it normal at least to see and experience some of the friendship. The bigger the friendship, the more dramatic Anakin's fall.

If we see Anakin at the end of ROTJ, I'd always thought that was a glimpse of who Anakin once was... well, it's not. There was never such an Anakin as we see at the end of ROTJ. The suit did him well...

No, he was friends with Obi-wan. It's just that when we see them in AOTC, other things are in the foreground. But look at the backround of things:

How they talk and laugh at an old mis-hap in "that nest of gundarks" and they are warm with each other in the elevator to Padme's apartment.

Though the talk turns to Anakin's thinking of Padme and politics, when they are first talking about Anakin's dreams of his mother on the balcony...Obi-wan is clearly sympathetic and helpful to him and Anakin is clearly open and honest.

And during the Genosis battle:

On the gunship: "Good call, my young padawan." Even though Anakin just accepts the praise with a quick nod, this is important.

Obi-wan is clearly happy at Anakin's skill and says so. They have a respect, even when they disagree often.

I always thought that the little bit where Anakin jumps to catch Dooku's blade from cutting off Obi-wan's head, and then Obi-wan throwing the 2nd saber to Anakin showed their teamwork and friendship.

Those actions were largely tactical in nature to win the duel, but the way anakin yells and jumps in.... you know he cares for Obi-Wan. And Obi-wan throws that other saber to Anakin along with his hopes... that the young boy might realize his powers and defeat dooku.

Those are all little things, kind of shown quickly so that you know while there is arguments and disagreements, they are indeed friends and partners.

As for ROTS,.... please.

Everything from Anakin saving Obi-wans hide in the space battle, to the way they talk and joke casually in the elevators, to the combined effort against dooku shows how thier friendship and teamwork has grown.

Most telling: When Anakin stares down Palps and says with no uncertainty... "His fate will be the same as ours."

Then he carries him out on his back.

Also, the talks that they have after that mission, about seeing the senators and how it was anankin's glory day, and it was all because obi's training.....etc....

shows their warm freindship.

Most of all: the last conversation that they have.

Anakin apologizes for his pride and arrogance. Obi-wan in turn tells him that he is strong and wise. A greater jedi than Obi-wan will ever be.

He loves him, like a younger brother, truly, and it shows.

And anakin says to him with great sincerity: May the force be with you.

That was truly, the boldest, purest Jedi-like statement that we hear Anakin make, because he meant it.

It's not the forefront of the PT, but I could definately see that they were good freinds who got destroyed by Darth Vader.

Shall we make a list of the bickering... it's a LOT longer and definately more consistent and non-interpretative.

Originally posted by queeq
Shall we make a list of the bickering... it's a LOT longer and definately more consistent and non-interpretative.

No.

Because nobody is disputing the bickering.

It's what friends, or older/younger brother types do.

What the issue is for you, is that Obi-Wan says of Anakin : "He was a good friend." and you don't feel that from the PT.

I just gave you a whole bunch of things that you can obviously take as being signs of them being good friends.

Of course, the conflicts and disagreements are there becuase the PT is about how Anakin turned to the dark side.

He's going to have rebellion/arguments with all authority, including Obi-Wan.

But that's only in AOTC, and even in that film we see times where it's obvious that they are good friends, that they are partners, that they care about each other, and respect each others powers.

In ROTS, they are completely partners, equals, and brothers.

Anakin doesn't even bicker with Obi-wan, other than one small scene where he expresses anger about the council, but even then he isn't pissed at Obi-Wan.

He betrays him outright. That's part of the tragedy, but up to that point, they are total friends in EP III.

I know you don't like the PT queeq, but it seems that you are looking for an issue here where there is none.

Anakin and Obi were never meant to be Solo and Luke.

i dont buy the buddy stuff
it doesnt work
its forced
it reminds me of Dr Rick Dalgless and Sanch in GARTH MERENGIS DARKPLACE

i dont know why Lucas didnt do an audio commentary for the cinema to inform us that THESE TWO ARE FRIENDS WHO HAVE A HISTORY SINCE TPM AND THEY LIKE A GIGGLE TOO

its sad but the comment that Obi makes about anakin : "he was a good friend" (which for years conjured up many an image in fan boys imagination) now means wisecracks accompanying unexpected leaps from coruscant speeders,comments about being "a poster boy" and wacky exploits with gundarks

Anakin and Obi true were never going to be Han and Luke but give us something believable
by the time Lucas got it right with the final moments of Anakin on Mustafar it was too little too late

reason #1 why the PT sucks

hat0r.

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Vintage is right.... that is the whole problem. A commentary would only have stressed the fact that Lucas was not able to show some decent affection between the two.

Well, we agree to disagree I suppose.

I'm an unabashed PT lover, so take my words with a grain of salt, but I saw more than enough on screen to show that Anakin "Was the best star pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior. And he was a good friend."

One that was lost to the darkside, through fear, anger, jealousy, and greed.

Guess you didn't see that as I did.

No matter, SW still rules, and Empire is still the best of them.

Of that, we can rest assured. 🙂

And on Empire we agree!