Team Nintendo vs. Team Final Fantasy VII

Well yeah, though he says something, "Ganondorf, may you drown with Hyrule". Maybe he couldn't get up after that, but we will never know since he turned to stone!
But, yeah well I agree....

Nah, but she has some big ass beams, and if she aims one, they're gonna have to move at the same speed as she just turns her arm, which they aren't fast enough for. I don't believe they can do that, I even more doubt they can fight in that state....

Yeah, well I believe it is because of the restrictions of the gameplay. We may never know. DUN DUN DUN!

Originally posted by MetaHybrid
ummmmmmm. I think I stated ealier that I'm a fan of Zelda. The only Final Fantasy I own is Cystal Chronicles and III for the Snes. I own just about every Zelda, Metroid , and a shit ton of Mario games. I haven't even played FFVII before.

The thing is. You guys haven't really come up with a way to beat Team FFVII. Yes I know yoy brought up the StarRod, and I guess that's completly fair to the rules since he does get it.

However, if Mario doesn't use it, they could still probably win. You guys can still continue to debate, while not having a instant kill weapon like the Triforce or StarRod (or BeanStar 🙄 ), then maybe some people could take you more seroiusly.

Don't worry kamikz , I take you seroiusly. 😉

Wait, is this your way of saying you're his sock? barker

Spamming homing missiles wouldn't kill them? Or just shoot them with either Sonicboom (splits their atoms and has a big blast radius) or a extra charged shot from her Wave beam (It is not stopped by walls and is made up of pure electrical energy. The projectile turns back and forth in a path shaped like a sine wave, hence the name "Wave Beam".) and why did I mention these two? I'll tell you why, it's cause they're impossible to evade.

Name one good reason why Mario wouldn't and shouldn't use it.

You Metahybrid, fail. barker

Originally posted by IceJaw
Errr, that was CLEARLY directed towards Dirk, even a monkey would understand that, possibly 'cause I said 'Dirk'! barker

Spamming [b]homing missiles wouldn't kill them? Or just shoot them with either Sonicboom (splits their atoms and has a big blast radius) or a extra charged shot from her Wave beam (It is not stopped by walls and is made up of pure electrical energy. The projectile turns back and forth in a path shaped like a sine wave, hence the name "Wave Beam".) and why did I mention these two? I'll tell you why, it's cause they're impossible to evade.

Name one good reason why Mario wouldn't and shouldn't use it.

You Metahybrid, fail. barker [/B]

My bad, didn't catch the Dirk, in your post, also it was right after mine so I misunderstood. If the Sonic boom is so strong, why does it take more than one to kill a grenchier in Prime 2? 😕

Also I'm not sure you read this right but I said that using the StarRod is completely fair. I never said he couldn't use it, but I challenged kamikz not to.

IceJaw? Fail? 😉

EDIT: I also know that Samus's weapons are extremely strong, so I'm working on a way to counter that. I haven't forgot about her.

They wouldn't need a counter for her beam becuase the best defence is a good offence. Bust a knights of the round summon and then attack. Samus is good but not good enough to fight of 13 summons while getting shot at by vincent. and even if she can fight off all 13 summons they are going to come right back after she finishes them due to W-summon. There is no way they can win if FF7 team has there magic.

NAME: Dispell
MP COST: 20
TYPE: Dispell
MATERIA: Destruct
TARGETS: One enemy
EFFECT: Negates all positive statuses from target enemy.

NAME: DeBarrier
MP COST: 12
TYPE: Dispell
MATERIA: Destruct
TARGETS: One enemy
EFFECT: Negates all barriers from target enemy

NAME: Shield
MP COST: 180
TYPE: Defensive
MATERIA: Shield
TARGETS: One ally
EFFECT: Creates a protective shield around target ally that absorbs all magical attacks and negates many physical attacks.

Comon, you actuallt think 13 KNIGHTS (you know, guys from the middle-age vs someone with hi-tech armor that bombs can barley force their way through) are gonna stop Samus? And you do know that they have to perform some ceratin moves to do that, heck do you even know if they CAN summon them? Show me proof that they can...

And Samus can move in SUPERSONIC SPEED, they won't get a chance to attack before her, and if they stand still they die, I doubt they live even if they move. 13 knights won't do shit against any of them, and she will kill them instantly, they will be occupied for all the time with dodging, Link and Mario can finish them off.

Doesn't shield just reduce damage? Besides, no canon facts or logic prove they got it, only gameplay, and nothing shows they will get it up before they die!

Give up, stop posting useless feats. FF team has lost!

Originally posted by kamikz
Comon, you actuallt think 13 KNIGHTS (you know, guys from the middle-age vs someone with hi-tech armor that bombs can barley force their way through) are gonna stop Samus? And you do know that they have to perform some ceratin moves to do that, heck do you even know if they CAN summon them? Show me proof that they can...

And Samus can move in SUPERSONIC SPEED, they won't get a chance to attack before her, and if they stand still they die, I doubt they live even if they move. 13 knights won't do shit against any of them, and she will kill them instantly, they will be occupied for all the time with dodging, Link and Mario can finish them off.

Doesn't shield just reduce damage? Besides, no canon facts or logic prove they got it, only gameplay, and nothing shows they will get it up before they die!

Give up, stop posting useless feats. FF team has lost!

Have you even played FF7?

yes all of them can cast KOTR here’s a video of cloud casting it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZOb7is19Lg

All 13 of the knights fly so they'd catch her sub supersonic speed easy and even if they can’t catch her she would be focused on the knights while Vincent attacks 14 one 1 no girl can handle that much wang.

Yes shield blocks all magic and most damage, and they have all the magic I have used because in the they get it. Every time I play FF7 I use and have everything that I mentioned.

And they got that summon materia and those magic spells according to the story line?

I know they didn't, useless argument, read my previous post for f*ck sake. barker

And you actually think Samus is just going to stand there while they perform their spells and whatnot? It's not like they were performing them at the speed of light, I know Samus can move at supersonic speeds and simply just ram 'em so they explode.

And for f*ck sake, Vincent's gun's just a overgrown revolver, low-f*cking-tech vs futuristic High tech, and at least attempt to bring proof of that his bullets won't just bounce off the surface her Shields.

And you have yet to tell us how the f*ck they'd evade something they can't evade, Sonicboom & extra charged shot from her wave beam or even her crapload homing multi lock on missiles.

Cloud and everyone else did use materia in the FF7 storyline. In AC, Yuffie noticed that she didn't have any of the materia she usually uses. She asks Tifa who was using their materia, and Tifa tells her they're being used by the bad guys.

Cloud keeps all of the cast's materia in a chest. They have been using materia in the original game.

As for which materia they use canonically, I guess I should ask a similar question. What weapons has Samus used canonically? What spells and items has Link used canonically? and what items and accessories has Mario used canonically? If there's no proof that any of these characters have used everything they have in their games, and if you're using them in a debate, then people can use all the materia from FF7 here.

With certain materia, The FF7 team can hasten themselves while slowing down the Nintendo team significantly, and to top it off, they can increase their speed even more. They can also manipulate the other team and command them to do what they want. They can lower their shields, or just put them to sleep. In fact, they can turn the Nintendo team into frogs, or better yet hand-held items. There's more the FF7 team can do in this fight but I think I'll stop here for now.

No, they didn't. You show gameplay, we want canon material, but you cannot get that. Oh to bad!

And once again, how will a freaking knight cut armor that has a shield and can resist bomb blasts? Answer, they can't. I wonder why people in our world don't use swords when they take out tanks.... OH THAT*S RIGHT, IT DOESN*T WORK!

And Cloud + team will be dead when Samus fires her weapon. They will have to avoid it. Have you actually watched them perform magical moves in FF? They have to stand to their hand motions in about 5 seconds, 5 seconds = dead Cloud + team....

Originally posted by kamikz
No, they didn't. You show gameplay, we want canon material, but you cannot get that. Oh to bad!

And once again, how will a freaking knight cut armor that has a shield and can resist bomb blasts? Answer, they can't. I wonder why people in our world don't use swords when they take out tanks.... OH THAT*S RIGHT, IT DOESN*T WORK!

And Cloud + team will be dead when Samus fires her weapon. They will have to avoid it. Have you actually watched them perform magical moves in FF? They have to stand to their hand motions in about 5 seconds, 5 seconds = dead Cloud + team....

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
With certain materia. The FF7 team can hasten themselves while slowing down the Nintendo team significantly, and to top it off, they can increase their speed even more. They can also manipulate the other team and command them to do what they want. They can lower their shields, or just put them to sleep. In fact, they can turn the Nintendo team into frogs, or better yet hand-held items. There's more the FF7 team can do in this fight but I think I'll stop here for now.

All of Samus items are acquired canonically, why? 'Cause:
1.) She needs them to move forward in the story and the game.
2.) The items she gets aren't found and used just to make the player have an easier time beating the crap out of bosses, which exactly what they're for in Final fantasy. Have you ever heard Barret say "oh, let's go get ultimate end to beat the #@&% out Sephiroth in instant!" during the story?

Same thing with Link.

Most of Mario's items are canonically acquired, like his hammers and boots, the stars from Paper Mario and Mario 64, the Chrystal stars from Paper Mario 2 and items that just happened to be in the same treasure chest as the/a/an [insert item important to the story here], you get the point.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Now is there anything here worth countering? Nope.

Lol, you CAN'T even counter it. I defeated your points there. Here let me show you...

You argue gameplay. Gameplay = False. Gameplay = No logic.
You wanna argue power, argue something that the characters actually have in their possesion, not some stupid gameplay feats...

Swords don't work on shields and super armor far above our technology. It would be like hitting a sword against a tank, which wouldn't work at all.

And lastly, if she shoots a rocket, which is homing (meaning it will follow him around even if he dodges it) and moves far above a human's speed, then how the hell will they get away from it? And they certainly to no degree, can toss magics while trying to avoid it, they have to do hand motions and focus to do it.

See, I did put valuable points, you just couldn't argue it.

Originally posted by IceJaw
I can see you didn't think this through before you posted.

All of Samus items are acquired canonically, why? 'Cause:
1.) She needs them to move forward in the story and the game.
2.) The items she gets aren't found and used just to make the player have an easier time beating the crap out of bosses, which exactly what they're for in Final fantasy. Have you ever heard Barret say "oh, let's go get ultimate end to beat the #@&% out Sephiroth in instant!" during the story?

Same thing with Link.

Most of Mario's items are canonically acquired, like his hammers and boots, the stars from Paper Mario and Mario 64, the Chrystal stars from Paper Mario 2 and items that just happened to be in the same treasure chest as the/a/an [b][insert item important to the story here], you get the point. [/B]

She has to use all of them, it's part of the whole Metroid typical plot, everyone knows that.

Everywhere in the games you see obstacle A that you have to destroy it with item B, in this case weapon B, but you don't have weapon B, you have to find it, you find weapon B and you then HAVE to use it to get past/destroy obstacle A.

Same thing in the Zelda and the latest Mario games.

Originally posted by kamikz
Lol, you CAN'T even counter it. I defeated your points there. Here let me show you...

You argue gameplay. Gameplay = False. Gameplay = No logic.
You wanna argue power, argue something that the characters actually have in their possesion, not some stupid gameplay feats...

Swords don't work on shields and super armor far above our technology. It would be like hitting a sword against a tank, which wouldn't work at all.

And lastly, if she shoots a rocket, which is homing (meaning it will follow him around even if he dodges it) and moves far above a human's speed, then how the hell will they get away from it? And they certainly to no degree, can toss magics while trying to avoid it, they have to do hand motions and focus to do it.

See, I did put valuable points, you just couldn't argue it.

So basically you are changing things around when you feel like it so that team Nintendo doesn't loose. If you are going to make this fair take one thing and stick to it, if death from FF cant effect Team Nintendo, why can the star rod instanly kill Team FF, wtf? See what I mean, and you blankly say that they can't be effected by Sephs sword, but yet, you have no idea on Earth what his sword is made of, or even what it is capable of slashing in half. Lets just say team Nintendo win alright, if it makes you happier, that way this immature and rather biased VS match can be laid to rest and both you and I can ACTUALLY leave this thread like you yourself said you would.

Originally posted by kamikz
Lol, you CAN'T even counter it. I defeated your points there. Here let me show you...

You argue gameplay. Gameplay = False. Gameplay = No logic.
You wanna argue power, argue something that the characters actually have in their possesion, not some stupid gameplay feats...

Swords don't work on shields and super armor far above our technology. It would be like hitting a sword against a tank, which wouldn't work at all.

And lastly, if she shoots a rocket, which is homing (meaning it will follow him around even if he dodges it) and moves far above a human's speed, then how the hell will they get away from it? And they certainly to no degree, can toss magics while trying to avoid it, they have to do hand motions and focus to do it.

See, I did put valuable points, you just couldn't argue it.

- Isn't that what you've been using throughout the entire debate?

- Shields would destroyed; any kind of armor doesn't counter even most spells in the FF7 realm. You argue about shields and advanced technology. FF7 characters can harness various magical defensive shields. Magical shields >>> physical. What's funny is that the FF7 team can command the other team to do what they want. They can make Samus take off her armor and make her pose while Cloud gets ready to an Omnislash, etc.

- What would rockets do to a magical shield? And Cloud can shoot out a beam from his sword to destory the missile while it's in the air. Sephiroth can just use his mind to send them at the Nintendo team due to his ability to control things with his mind. They can focus on casting magic spells while Samus is attacking because that's what shields are for. They have the option of stopping the other team in time, manipulating them, transforming them, etc.

Originally posted by Pulse2
Lmao, you are the biggest contradictor I have ever seen, lol, first of all you mention only gameplay, okay, so I say that team Nintendo would get mega owned, cos they get owned in their own games by the most simple of creatures such as mushrooms, you tell be thats not allowed, yet star rods and other things the characters dont start off with but gain throught thier games are allowed, how is that fair, then we use the fact that FF team have magic, Cloud can easily use petrification as he has it, it oonly doesnt work against bosses, and you can understand the reasoning behind that, not only that, Vincent which I've stated is already dead, and Sehiroth can be reborn and revitalised over and over again, not to mention the virus he spreads that can slowly destroy humans and life as we know it, only Cloud being able to stop it, then you tell us thats not allowed, only gameplay, and then you go on to talk about fleeing from thugs? Not to mention you stated you were leaving this thread over 8 or so times now, dunno wasn't counting, but it was a lot. If they could use these instant kill items, why would team Nintendo even have a game? You'd be able to run through all Mario games and use the star rod to kill everything in sight. Yet he still gets killed by mushrooms.

So basically you are changing things around when you feel like it so that team Nintendo doesn't loose. If you are going to make this fair take one thing and stick to it, if death from FF cant effect Team Nintendo, why can the star rod instanly kill Team FF, wtf? See what I mean, and you blankly say that they can't be effected by Sephs sword, but yet, you have no idea on Earth what his sword is made of, or even what it is capable of slashing in half. Lets just say team Nintendo win alright, if it makes you happier, that way this immature and rather biased VS match can be laid to rest and both you and I can ACTUALLY leave this thread like you yourself said you would.

Are you ****ing retarded? As Icejaw and I have said several times, there is canon evidence that they got their abilities, UNLIKE the goddamn ****ing FF team. Tell me, where is the logic that Cloud cuts a guy in the head with a sword, suddenly, "Hey, I learn't a new magic when I killed this guy"? There is no logic to that, that is gameplay, it's just to make the game possible. If there was a cut scene where someone taught them I would be fine with it, but not here, not ever. I'm not contradicting, I am using feats that they HAVE got, unlike your FF team.

2 times, but you keep replying and insulting me afterwards, your ****ing making me come back. So I did...

WTF, "You have no idea what the sword is made of".
Then tell me what it's made of dammit. Oh, you can't? Well then you have NO POINT! STFU!

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
- Nope. Don't see where you did.

- Isn't that what you've been using throughout the entire debate?

- Shields would destroyed; any kind of armor doesn't counter even most spells in the FF7 realm. You argue about shields and advanced technology. FF7 characters can harness various magical defensive shields. Magical shields >>> physical. What's funny is that the FF7 team can command the other team to do what they want. They can make Samus take off her armor and make her pose while Cloud gets ready to an Omnislash, etc.

- What would rockets do to a magical shield? And Cloud can shoot out a beam from his sword to destory the missile while it's in the air. Sephiroth can just use his mind to send them at the Nintendo team due to his ability to control things with his mind. They can focus on casting magic spells while Samus is attacking because that's what shields are for. They have the option of stopping the other team in time, manipulating them, transforming them, etc.

You don't ****ing listen? Try to do that, that'll help. You are TOTALLY ignoring my points, they don't have those magics unless you prove they have. Now stop whining about those useless magics, THEY WON'T EVEN GET TIME TO DO THE HAND GESTURE AND FOCUS!

Wrong, how do you come to the conclusion "Magical shields > Physical" just like that? Got proof? Nope.
First of all, the only thing the shields in FF do is REDUCE the damage.
Second of all, they don't have a shield ability, because IT*S FREAKING GAMEPLAY!

Rockets would kill someone with a weak shield like the FF ones, and especially since they won't get time to use it OR the fact that they cannot use it!

You're the biggest freaking liar out there. FF team cannot stop time, they have to yet again make a gameplay feat with a big handmotion (very slow one) to SLOW DOWN the other team A LITTLE.
Also, they cannot see invisible people, so that mean's that when Link puts on the Stone mask, they cannot see him or hit him.

And Link has killed hundreds of dead people before. Play Ikana to see.

And did Sephiroth revive when he got killed by Cloud instantly? Nope, and again, cut off his head and he will be lying there, not able to do shit and can be "dead" all he wants..

Pulse, don't start, your repeated point is worthless.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
- Nope. Don't see where you did.

- Isn't that what you've been using throughout the entire debate?

- Shields would destroyed; any kind of armor doesn't counter even most spells in the FF7 realm. You argue about shields and advanced technology. FF7 characters can harness various magical defensive shields. Magical shields >>> physical. What's funny is that the FF7 team can command the other team to do what they want. They can make Samus take off her armor and make her pose while Cloud gets ready to an Omnislash, etc.

- What would rockets do to a magical shield? And Cloud can shoot out a beam from his sword to destory the missile while it's in the air. Sephiroth can just use his mind to send them at the Nintendo team due to his ability to control things with his mind. They can focus on casting magic spells while Samus is attacking because that's what shields are for. They have the option of stopping the other team in time, manipulating them, transforming them, etc.

Do you have proof of that "magical shields > 'physical'"? No wait, that whole point is invalid and Samus's shields are physical.

Command? Is that how Seph commanded Cloud to kill himself? 'Cause that never happened. Where's the proof? *looks under carpet*.

Who said there's only ONE missile? She's got more than a hundred. You know that he'd have to shoot or even react? I know that even guns of his time can bring him down, just look at the ending of AC for f*ck sake, just imagine what more than a hundred missiles would do.

Samus shoots and they're dead.

And for the love of God, if you're gonna ignore our posts we might as well just put you on our ignore lists.