With DC:
Like -
The lesser known characters are the more interesting
Inventive powersets
Superman before the mid-90's (Man of Steel Superman)
A majority of Batman stories
The ability to hire good writers
Alan Moore's Swamp Thing
Dislike -
A lot of Cockstroke writing (Writing a character as uber for the sake of the character's name)
Too much emphasis put on the lineage of the character.
Superman's messiah complex
Wonder Woman
When I read most teams (Teen Titans, JLA) it seems like the same crap over and over.
Too much of a clear cut definition of right and wrong
DC Earth seems more like a utopia than a real world
With Marvel:
Like -
Cosmic stories
Lot of characters with good development.
A variation of super-teams that are radicallly different from one another.
Deadpool
A blurrier definition of good and evil
Dislike -
Hiring Bendis, Hudlin, and Loeb
Delays on books
Putting Peter David on Frontline instead of the main book
Wolverine getting cockstroked due to the fact that he's Wolverine.
Downwriting Spider-Man.
Omega Flight being a mini, when it has the most potential.
Originally posted by Martian_mind🤨
Omega Flight is a mini? WTF i hope whomever made that desicion is strung up and tickled with feathers,then lobsters and finally monkeys.
anyway...
DC - Likes
-Everything seems to go right at the end (mostly), it's like a comic book when you wanna read about life perfect.
well that's just about it 😐
Dislikes
-Everyone and thier momma (except for like batman/and he kinda is in his own way) is uber powerful!
-Superman 😐
-some (40%) of the main titles are boring....
Marvel - Likes
-Down to earth characters (about 60+ % of them) that you can sorta identify with.
-Stories are mostly (75-80% of them) intresting...
-Spider-man
-Deadpool (stole your pick! 😈 )
Dislikes
-Wolverine 😐
-Some stories sometimes seem regergitated
-People die....hell it happens IRL, but in comics it should only happen once in a blue moon.... 🙁
Marvel:
Likes
- A colourful variety of charismatic characters, most notably in their mainstream line up.
- Heavy emphasis on character developement
- More human and grounded.
- They dominate the cosmic department. And by "dominate" I mean "totally ****ing pwn".
- Some of the story arcs are extremely memorable
Dislikes
- a complete disregard for continuity and logic, though it's getting better.
- Some of the earlier writing is a little cheap, plot wise.
- Now, it's okay for writers to believe in reincarnation and such, but......Damn 😕
DC:
Likes
- Vertigo
- Green Lantern
- Some of the mainstream arcs are surprisingly well written.
- DC is good for people who just want to sit back and watch their favorite characters perform clean sweeps. (I don't mean to sound like a condescending prick, I genuinly think this is a good way to keep people who don't take comic books too seriously happy. Just don't expect me to accept it)
Dislikes
- DC is good for people who just want to sit back and watch their favorite characters perform clean sweeps. (I don't mean to sound like a condescending prick, I genuinly think this is a good way to keep people who don't take comic books too seriously happy. Just don't expect me to accept it)
- Overpowered characters
- Superman
- Wonder Woman
- In fact, most of their mainstream characters suck.
- See Marvel dislikes.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
With DC:Like -
The lesser known characters are the more interesting
Inventive powersets
Superman before the mid-90's (Man of Steel Superman)
A majority of Batman stories
The ability to hire good writers
Alan Moore's Swamp ThingDislike -
A lot of Cockstroke writing (Writing a character as uber for the sake of the character's name)
Too much emphasis put on the lineage of the character.
Superman's messiah complex
Wonder Woman
When I read most teams (Teen Titans, JLA) it seems like the same crap over and over.
Too much of a clear cut definition of right and wrong
DC Earth seems more like a utopia than a real worldWith Marvel:
Like -
Cosmic stories
Lot of characters with good development.
A variation of super-teams that are radicallly different from one another.
Deadpool
A blurrier definition of good and evilDislike -
Hiring Bendis, Hudlin, and Loeb
Delays on books
Putting Peter David on Frontline instead of the main book
Wolverine getting cockstroked due to the fact that he's Wolverine.
Downwriting Spider-Man.
Omega Flight being a mini, when it has the most potential.
Really good post I agree with all of that. IMO Wonder Woman needs a complete and utter revamp. As do various of the teams. IMO most of D.C. personality's could do with the 'shit hitting the fan', if they want to survive. I also think Marvel could do with some advice from D.C. on how to set up action sequences.
D.C. Good Points (Currently):
Legion of Super heroes
Seven Soldiers
Geoff Johns, Mark Waid, Grant Morisson
Planetary, Authority, Wildcats
Metzler and the JLA
Marvel Good points;
The Ultimate Universe
Universal
Warren Ellis, Mark Millar
Supreme Power (potential)
Joss Wheldon, Brian K Vaughn, Ed Brubaker
The Runaways
The Young Avengers
Marvel
Likes:
- Personification of natural forces (ie. Death, Eternity, Oblivion, etc.) it's very interesting to Marvel's mythos.-
- It's mythology is so original- well more original than DC's and Images. DC, Vertigo, and Image's mythology is too much based on Christianity and religious concepts, while Marvel has a mythology of the cosmos which is so different and far more original than the rest.
- Silver Surfer has always been a great comic book....the writers from Jim Starlin, uptil now, have always succeeded in humanizing a cosmic scale character....a fkn excellent job 👆
- X-Men....probably one of the ballsiest comic books out there, to tackle social issues (racism, homphobia, religion etc.) and integrate them into thier stories. Also, X-Men is one of the first known comic books to include Gay characters, almost every other comic book avoids it.
-Thanos----probably, the most interesting character to ever exist....
- Cosomology of Marvel is the best
Dislikes:
-resurrection of the same stories over and over...
- constant resurrecting of the same characters who have probably died 3000 times...
- too many alternate reality comic series, it downplays on the original 616 sagas...
- bringing back Onslaught and totally f*cking it up....
-common usage of crappy artists.....(Marvel The End had a shitty penciler, im sorry)
- too many ads in thier comic books, it gets fkn annoying, and makes me take the story less seriously..
DC
Likes:
-SPECTRE !!!!!!- His comic books, all stories based around Spectre are awesome.
- The Source Wall- the concept of the source, and its wall being composed of the titans and cosmic entities who tried to steal its secrets, that is so cool !
- Lobo - funny comic book, cool character
Dislikes:
- It's annoying focus around Christianity...DC's cosmology is based on the mainstream Christian idealogy of heaven, hell, sin, etc. and it gets really annoying and repetitive, not to mention lack of originality and religious favoritism
- lack of diversity in character personalities....too conservative at times.
- Superman......
- Darksied.....most poorly written character ever. This whole, "Ha ! You didn't defeat ME ! You defeated my 5,000,000th AVATAR ! HA HA ! You will never face the true me ! I'm like Sadam Hussien to the 700th power !" bullshit is a joke.
Marvel
Likes:
-Keeps the religious influence outside the realm of comics. No angels/messiahs or any of that nonsense.
-Characters like Deadpool and She-Hulk show that Marvel has a light-hearted comedic side that is sorely missing from most comics these days.
-This is not too important, but IMO they've always had better names for their characters (nobody can really argue with this)
-Interesting multi-dimensional characters (Magneto, Thanos, Iron Dick...er, Man,) - more blurred sense of right-and-wrong.
Dislikes:
-Overexposure of Wolverine (which wont change because he's what ultimately sells most Marvel titles)
-A few too many cosmic beings, with more being introduced each year. We don't need 3-4 Celestial guardians.
-Mid 90's (nuff said)
-Events like Civil War that try to relate to real-world current events. I'd prefer if comics stayed out of the political issues.
-Alternate realites 👇
DC
Likes:
-Keeps most of it's cosmic beings vague and in the background, which I respect.
-They sign some of the best writers in the business.
-Vertigo (nuff said)
-I enjoy the long history of DC heroes, and the modern-day mythology built around the companies' icons (WW, Supes, etc.)
-If you count vertigo comics, DC has had a much better track record with epic stories. DC, imo, has far more "great" stories like Kingdom Come and the Watchmen than Marvel.
Dislikes:
-The heroes and villians tend to be too black-and-white. There's no bad in many of DC's heroes, characters seem 2 or even 1-dimensional at times.
-The damn Infinite-xxxx retcon events.
-The Christian-based deities and cosmics (keep the religion out of it)
IMO it's both blasphemous for believers and insulting the intelligence of non-believers.
-Too many lame b-listers.
-Many of it's comics suffer from a complete lack of any sort of scientific realism concerning many of it's mainstream heroes. Marvel has less of this since many of it's mainstream heroes are street-level. Not saying that comics need to be absolutely realistic, but DC tends to have far more character feats that make readers go 🙄
I'm sure there are more, but that's all I could think of in 5 minutes
Some good stuff has already been mentioned. I'll try to cover new ground.
DC
Likes
- The interplay between Batman and Superman in Superman/Batman.
- The interplay between the characters of the Justice League.
- Powergirl when she smirks.
Dislikes
- Capes and swimming trunks.
- Over-the-top power feats.
- Silly monikers.
Marvel
Likes
- Silver Surfer
- Ultimate line
- Generally, overall interesting characters
Dislikes
- Stan Lee no longer writing.
- Jack Kirby no longer drawing (or living)
- Too much change from how characters used to be in Marvel's golden age. Example: I liked when Hulk was unequivocally the strongest one there is, and the Thing was number 2.
- Thor beating Surfer 😛
Yeah. Alot of the main stuff was already covered. I'm trying to dig a little deeper
Marvel
Likes:
- The integration of harsher, gray-area-er themes (i.e. homosexuality, more touch on racism, etc.)
- More complex flaws within their own characters (even the big ones)
-IMO, More thought put into powers being unique/interesting, as well as being integral to the character themselves
Dislikes:
-Relies too much on it's biggest players
-Can give the feel that certain elements are gimmicks (i.e. non-U.S. nationalities, a controversial theme like homosexuality applied to a character for the attention it will get.)
- Too many C-list, nobody-cares villains lying around for whenever they need a generic baddie.
DC
Likes:
-Largley varying Origins
-Green Lanterns
-More of the 'traditional' superhero archetype
Dislikes:
-Too MUCH of said archetype
-Major gaps in powerlevels (Everyones either a streetleveler, or can fly, lift skyscrapers and shoot laserbeams from their ass)
-Too much PIS when their s-levelers need to hang with their supermen
DC
Likes:
Excellent writing, most of the time.
Moral questions of the role of superheroes
Superman 😄
Batman 😄 Seriously, Batman's been kind of up and down, but the really great stuff like "The Killing Joke" is among the best in comics.
Flash 😄 Fanboy moment. I've always loved the flash. Though personally I consider Barry Allen the best of the Flashes, I find myself warming up to Wally.
Much less recycling of overrated characters.
Prometheus 👆
Dislikes:
Characters tend to do extremely stupid things and have far more instances of PIS.
Excessive wanking of Superman.
Too many Retcons. Then again, Marvel has the same problem.
Darkseid losing to Supes. :WTF: This probably falls under wanking Supes, but I felt it deserved to mentioned.
Aquaman. Except for the Obsidian Age arc, he's kinda sucked.
Orion. Massively overrated bastard.
Marvel
Likes
Deadpool! 😆
Thanos
Apocalypse, pre-jobbing.
Real world elements. Things like gay mutants and family issues.
Cosmics.
Captain America.
Onslaught, before Loeb ruined him.
Magneto
More compelling and interesting characters. As if you couldn't guess I was gonna put that. 😛
Character deaths. Mixed bag, but usually a good thing.
Dislikes.
Writing is more miss than hit.
Onslaught Reborn. Utter crap.
Tiers aren't clear
Certain characters *cough* Wolverine, Hulk, Cyclops, Cable, *cough* get massive jobber auras.
Squirrel Girl. Funny, but her beating Thanos didn't sit right with me.
Excessive jobbing.
Extreme PIS.
The disgrace that is current Apoc. The writers have not only jobbed him, they've ruined the rep and standing of one of Marvel's greatest villains and mutants.
Celestials. Can't stand em.
Civil War. Worst arc ever made in Marvel history. The idea wasn't bad, but it's poorly executed and they shouldn't have tried to connect it to real world politics.
HOM. Wanda is a serious *****.
Thanos being killed by Drax. Actually, I don't dislike that, since we all knew Drax would get him eventually. What I dislike, is the minor possibility that Thanos might stay dead. 😒
And as previously said, too many retcons.
That's all for now.
ok, you guys sure do read alot of comics
I'm going to share my perspective as someone who only occasionally browses comics in the bookstore, so take my opinions with a grain of salt
DC Pros:
- focused on a few iconic characters
- Batman
DC Cons:
- not fun to just skim through
- very few characters that average person knows about
- hard to follow story lines
comment: as you can tell, I don't read much DC
Marvel Pros:
- a HUGE selection of different and interesting characters
- many icons of their own
- more relatable characters
- more interesting visually
Marvel Cons:
- Too many different comics
- quality and consistency issues
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I agree with Boriqua....DC gets way to religious around thier cosmology, and Marvel can get wayyy too political with thier characters and stories...that gets so0o0o annoying...... propaganda in the form of art is horribly annoying.Marvel also has too many fkn alternate realities....
Civil War is clearly just a "right wing vs. left wing" propaganda. It's just a jab at the Bush administration.
I don't mind the Christian theology in DC since Marvel has alot of allusions to Hinduism.