What do you dislike and like about both DC and Marvel?

Originally posted by Draco69
Civil War is clearly just a "right wing vs. left wing" propaganda. It's just a jab at the Bush administration.

Which is why I don't read it. I may agree with the message, but I am not going to read a comic book series whose only point is a political argument....I'd just watch the News for that....

Originally posted by Draco69
I don't mind the Christian theology in DC since Marvel has alot of allusions to Hinduism.

I dont necessarily MIND the Christian mythology in DC/Vertigo, because they pull it off pretty interestingly.

But it limits the entire cosmology of DC/Vertigo to one religion, a religion I am not a big fan of anyway, and secondly, there's way too many comic books that do that...

Spawn, for example, is like 80% based on Christianity, although they take a FAR better jab at it, by challenging it, and even daring to claim that God is an evil bastard.....

You said earlier

Originally posted by Draco69
Best post on this thread...

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Then you said

Originally posted by Draco69
Civil War is clearly just a "right wing vs. left wing" propaganda. It's just a jab at the Bush administration.

I hate to correct you. But this is an even better post. 👆

DC Comics:

I like the Mythology and stories which usually involved religious epics.
I like the Mythos of the characters.
I like symbolism and storytelling of the events in the DCU.
I like how DC tries to keep their characters within the Golden age of comics
I like how DC depicts the American vision.
I like and remenber Jack Kirby.
And...I like many many other things...

I don't like what Dan Didio is doing.
I don't like how they're destroying the Mythos with unsual stories and turning the characters into a more human essence.
I hate absurd plots and corrections.
I hate the death of characters which later are substitude with other indiviuals.

Marvel:

I like their cool character but I still think those characters have a long way before they become the Mythology which DC have already establish.
I like the Spiderman of the 80's.
I like the sagas.
I like all mutants.

I don't like the entire Stan Lee issue.
I don't like the way Todd Mc Farlane was treated.
I don't like what they're doing with the characters and they way they're been change.
I don't like how Marvel behave itself with City of Heroes.

Above all I hate and completely dislike how Marvel comics allow their characters to be use for mainstream movie explotation sales. I despise this with all my heart. This is the one cardinal sin I won't forgive Marvel. Even worse I totally dislike their fanbase that jumps up and down when someone criticizes their movies.

I also don't like the Marvel Movies fanbase who think the movies based on the characters is good. It's garbage and hold NO weight for the true image of the comic characters.

i dislike how marvel comics are so complicated and complex. . . to many different realities, universes, etc . . . but i like there characters more than DC. on the other hand i like DC because they are simple and easy to follow. thats just my two scents

DC

Likes:

The writing is generally better than marvel's, same with the art imo...
Superman (too many reasons to list)
They seem to do the big events better...
The subtlety... guys like the punisher and wolverine in marvel are so in your face 'oh look at me, i'm such an anti hero, i save people's lives but have no problems crippling villains to do it', but in dc, when a good character shows that bit of darkness, to me its more believable, and a hell of alot scarier... superman, wonder woman... knowing that they're capable of acts that evil, i think thats something incredibly human...
The whole concept of the Green Lantern, pure genius...
Thats it for now...

Dislikes:

Devaluing all the good about superman by making him do insane shit, thereby making his already impressive (and genuinely feasible) feats look tainted...
Getting rid of wally... what. the. hell.
That Lois Lane is a self obsessed cow. (sorry, but women like that just get under my skin)
That Selena and Bruce haven't just shacked up yet... for chrissakes, just marry each other already!

Marvel

Likes:

The X-Men... considering it was made in the 60s, it was incredibly ahead of his time...
Cyclops... pretty much the only character i can actually completely identify with...
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, the guys are legends...
Silver Surfer, if you don't know why, then shame on you...
The Ultimates

Dislikes:

The sheer commercialism... they are ruining marvel as a whole by looking more at the money side of things than the actual comics and the characters themselves...
The constant shifting of the x-teams...
Overrated writers and artists...
The sheer amount of crap i hear from marvel fanboys, the writers are to blame as much as anything...
Chris Claremont, i know he's a writer, but god, the man deserves a swift kicking... a very long lasting swift kicking...
The events... no matter how much they try, they just cant seem to do em properly... at least imo...

That's all for now i guess...

I think for Marvel, X Men and Silver Surfer have been the best series in the long run...

I think for DC, Spectre is the best series...

DC

Likes -
-Batman/Superman's relationship. The two are built so well that it would take real talent to screw them up.
-Oliver Queen 🙂
-the utopian feel their comics give. In this world it's okay and generally good to be a superhero.
-Green Lanterns
-Teamwork. There are four teams and every super hero seems to know every other super hero. Good connections. JSA/JLA/Outsiders/Teen Titans
-Batman's Villains
-Art and writing is usually very good.
-Elseworlds
-Vertigo
-Frank Miller

Dislikes
-Powersets. Everyone appears to be either uber-powerful or not powerful at all.
-Frank Miller (no typo. I like a few of his DC works and hate the rest)

Marvel:

Likes-
-John Romita Jr. (I know I'm the only one.)
-Peter David (I know I'm not the only one here.)
-Deadpool
-More social conflicts
-Overall character work is great. Not to mention the humor.
-More likely to take risks.

Dislikes-
-If someone dies...let them die. Don't kill someone unless you're willing to commit. At least wait something in the area of 5+ years before even thinking about bringing them back.
-Give Peter David more work! He's good.
-Wolverine is not the almighty.

I'm actually not a very critical person. I like both comic book series.
I think I prefer Marvel though.

Marvel=likes
Cable and Deadpool basically the best teamup comic around IMO
How they utilise ancient mythology and characters in a unique and Skillfull way
vast cosmic hierarchy

Dislikes
Overrating Wolverine
Lack of comitment to deaths
Wasp
Money driving many desicions
Wasp
The chump writing Black Panther
Wasp

DC likes

Jonn
More Adult feel
Very well linked superhero community
Some very good writing
Ragman
Wildstorm
Nightwing

Dislikes
Most of my favourite characters are green and vulnerable to fire
Superman
Wonder woman

I like both DC and Marvel so this is not fanboy rantings:
Marvel pros:
More character developement, even though Marvel has their popular characters the whole universe is not centered around them, They have characters who are original and not "hand me downs" like DC's WOndergirl, Batgirl, RObin #3, kid flash #3 or 1000 who keeps count, Devil boy, etc..

Marvel dislikes: Some of the artistry and design I mean the Thing should not be 6ft that looks stupid. He was always close to the Hulks size. The Sentry, when is he going to do something of significance. Characters jobbing for Wolverine, that was old a long time ago. Not having cartoons that are actually good and true to the comics, and last for a decent amount of seasons like DC's cartoons.

DC pros:
DC has a lot of mindless action. Wildcat, and Black Adam. Very good artistry (Powergirl, Phantom Lady, Black Canary)🙂. DC's deities focusing on Egyptian mythology instead of the old Greek or Norse. DC's "minority" characters are more interesting and overall better than Marvels ( Mr. Terrific, Vixen, Black Adam)

DC dislikes:
DC focuses everything around Superman and makes him the best and most powerful at everything. Not having a decent title run with Cap. Marvel. Not trying to make more original characters, just more "hand-me down" characters as stated in the Marvel pros. Not making Darkseid more of an "active" threat by actually doing things and not an "implied" threat by having him stand around with his tired pose of hands behind his back doing nothing and DC saying "he is Darkseid he is a bad man".

Originally posted by boriquaking55
[B]Marvel

Likes:

-Keeps the religious influence outside the realm of comics. No angels/messiahs or any of that nonsense.

-Characters like Deadpool and She-Hulk show that Marvel has a light-hearted comedic side that is sorely missing from most comics these days.

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b) Have you read Lobo etc.?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Wasp
Wasp
Wasp

dammit, knew i forgot wasp... her and pym are two of my favourite characters...

and i like how they retconned pym's beating her...

Marvel

Likes
-More Real World Characters

-Ult. Marvel (except Ult. X-men)

-Great Writers (Brubaker, Carey, Vaughn, Slott, Davis, ect..)

-Majority of books are good, and a handful are great (Astonishing, Ultimates, Ultimate Spidey, ect..)

Dislikes

-Ult. X-men

-Crossover events

-Lack of time given to show character development from events (Spiderman with House of M!)

-God Awful writers (Hudlin, Loeb and sometimes Bendis)

-Selling out quality for quantity (Majority of Xmen books for the past 5 years)

-Making characters cash cows (Spidey, Wolverine, Hulk, ect..)

-Joe Q's pathetic attempts to justify crap writing