Democratic Nomination?

Iowa Democratic Caucus Results (percentages are of state delegate equivalents):

Sen. Barack Obama (IL): 37.58%
Fmr. Sen John Edwards (NC): 29.75%
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY): 29.47%
Gov. Bill Richardson (NM): 2.11%
Sen. Joe Biden (DE): 0.93%
Uncommitted: 0.14%
Sen. Chris Dodd (CT): 0.02%

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (OH) and Fmr. Sen Mike Gravel (AK) did not surpass the 15% threshold in any precincts.

Citing lack of support, Senators Chris Dodd and Joe Biden have withdrawn from the presidential race.

Both my favorites have been whacked by the good people of Iowa. I guess we're really going to have another election based on superficial crap.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Iowa Democratic Caucus Results (percentages are of state delegate equivalents):

Sen. Barack Obama (IL): 37.58%
Fmr. Sen John Edwards (NC): 29.75%
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY): 29.47%
Gov. Bill Richardson (NM): 2.11%
Sen. Joe Biden (DE): 0.93%
Uncommitted: 0.14%
Sen. Chris Dodd (CT): 0.02%

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (OH) and Fmr. Sen Mike Gravel (AK) did not surpass the 15% threshold in any precincts.

Citing lack of support, Senators Chris Dodd and Joe Biden have withdrawn from the presidential race.

I am glad to see Hilary below two other candidates.

On a another note: I have a problem with most of the Democrats this time around. They all give a great "feel good" message with out a "how to" to go with it. Edwards wants to restore the relationship with the US President and the American people and the rest of the world. Great...that is awesome...but how? I think I have heard the same from Obama. I here the other same "fluff" from all of the presidential candidates...just more so this time around from the democrats.

"We need to reduce the deficit..." "We need to bring the troops home"...etc.

How?

Put them in planes and fly them back? hmm

Obama's speech last night, after hearing he'd won in Iowa, was a pretty impressive speech. However, I'm not sure I'm terribly hyped about four years of hearing his best Martin Luther King impression. Otherwise, I'm satisfied that he won.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Put them in planes and fly them back? hmm

That answer is certainly better than what we are getting, now isn't it? Putting people on planes and flying them back home is not a solution. We need a plane of "phase out" that would work. Just brining them home is no the best solution.

What we need is a way to make it a situation where people aren't making so much money off the war.

Originally posted by Devil King
What we need is a way to make it a situation where people aren't making so much money off the war.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That answer is certainly better than what we are getting, now isn't it? Putting people on planes and flying them back home is not a solution. We need a plane of "phase out" that would work. Just brining them home is no the best solution.

Why?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why? Making money is good for America. Kinda sucks for Iraq I spose, but don't think that's America's problem really.

Do you want our troops out of the country or not? I'm suprised you would ask 'why'.

Originally posted by Devil King
Do you want our troops out of the country or not? I'm suprised you would ask 'why'.

I want your military out of the country, from a pro-American as well as a pro-western point of view. But, yeah, asking why would make sense.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I want your military out of the country, from a pro-American as well as a pro-western point of view. But, yeah, asking why would make sense.

It just strikes me as a bit naive not to realize the war will end when the people who are propagating it aren't making anymore money. In fact, the people who are making money are spending the public's money to do so.

"Hands off my money!" shouldn't be the mantra for every political situation.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why?

I am not sure...is it a good idea to just all of a sudden bring military back home as is? What about the contractors left there? Who will protect them? Is it their libertarian right to work where ever their is opportunity? I work for one of the federal contractors who has also has one of the largest contractor presences in Iraq...without the military constantly protecting my coworkers, they would be slaughtered. My employer is not there just shooting the breeze, either. They are rebuilding the entire IT infrastructure in Iraq and then some. We can't just pull the plug in a short time frame without killing our own American people. This is just one side of the many sided story.

I would say a steady pull out would be the best choice. Taking a year to slowly cut off and dissolve our military bases and programs.

An immediate evac order of all personnel, military or civilian, would cause problems. Of course, insurgents would take advantage of the situation and needless lives would be wasted. Even three months, which I believe is what Ron Paul said, is still too drastic, imo. I DO believe we need to pull out asap and we should have been out a year ago, imo.

Originally posted by Devil King
It just strikes me as a bit naive not to realize the war will end when the people who are propagating it aren't making anymore money. In fact, the people who are making money are spending the public's money to do so.

"Hands off my money!" shouldn't be the mantra for every political situation.

And the war will be over when America realizes that voting in people that support the war or are just mindless puppets won't end the war.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It should be for most.

So buy an island and live on it alone, because that's just not going to happen.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Who will protect them?

The private contractors with body armour and machine guns, who are making more money than the legit troops anyway.

The Bush administration is in bed with the same groups that, just a few years ago, we would have called fundamentalist fanatics, who have private armies with a religious ideology. The same kind of groups that set up places like Ruby Ridge and Waco, TX. These are the kind of people that own Blackwater.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I am not sure...is it a good idea to just all of a sudden bring military back home as is?

Yeah.

Originally posted by dadudemon
What about the contractors left there? Who will protect them?

No one, I'd assume.

Maybe private organizations. Or they would leave immediately as well.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Is it their libertarian right to work where ever their is opportunity?

Yeah.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I work for one of the federal contractors who has also has one of the largest contractor presences in Iraq...without the military constantly protecting my coworkers, they would be slaughtered.

Tough shit. They should leave then. Or get other sort of protection. Best one that doesn't cost all Americans an immense shitload of money and kills citizens in government service on a daily basis.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We can't just pull the plug in a short time frame without killing our own American people. This is just one side of the many sided story.

Yeah, of course it wouldn't work to just make the military dissapear, you'd need a bit of time. The lowest amount possible though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I would say a steady pull out would be the best choice. Taking a year to slowly cut off and dissolve our military bases and programs.

Should be started though. Doesn't seem like it at all now, does it?

Originally posted by dadudemon
An immediate evac order of all personnel, military or civilian, would cause problems. Of course, insurgents would take advantage of the situation and needless lives would be wasted.

Only Iraqis and Individuals who chose to get into such a risky situation.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Even three months, which I believe is what Ron Paul said, is still too drastic, imo. I DO believe we need to pull out asap and we should have been out a year ago, imo.

Good then.

Originally posted by Devil King
So buy an island and live on it alone, because that's just not going to happen.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It will. In time.

You mean after the Ron Paul revolution?

Originally posted by Devil King
You mean after the Ron Paul revolution?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Haha. No.

At least you realize I was joking.