Democratic Nomination?

Started by lord xyz101 pages

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, also the one directly responsible for a huge amount of the shit your country is in now.

The way Trans explains it he is the exact oppositeof me. A Christian authoritarian socialist. Pretty sad.

Although, he did save America's economy, and it never crashed again.

Still, I'm not that fond of him either.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Although, he did save America's economy, and it never crashed again.

Still, I'm not that fond of him either.

Haha, major bullshit. But okay.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Although, he did save America's economy, and it never crashed again.

Still, I'm not that fond of him either.

didn't germany save america's economy?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Haha, major bullshit. But okay.

Originally posted by inimalist
didn't germany save america's economy?
Explain.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Explain.

He was lucky at best. The economy improved for reasons beyond his grasp, which is good, too, cause he surely tried everything to keep it down.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He was lucky at best. The economy improved for reasons beyond his grasp, which is good, too, cause he surely tried everything to keep it down.
Elaborate.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Elaborate.
He was lucky to be elected at the low point of the depression. If you look at the economy that those are usually followed by a boom, and he was lucky enough to get the credit for it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He was lucky to be elected at the low point of the depression. If you look at the economy that those are usually followed by a boom, and he was lucky enough to get the credit for it.
Well, it did take time for his new deal to actually work.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, it did take time for his new deal to actually work.

If you admit that then you can also see how he is not responsible for leading the US out of the depression.

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you admit that then you can also see how he is not responsible for leading the US out of the depression.
Then what is?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then what is?
What is it in your opinion? You said the New Deal took time to work, so that can't be it, what do you think it is?

Originally posted by Bardock42
What is it in your opinion? You said the New Deal took time to work, so that can't be it, what do you think it is?
My opinion is that his transformation of a welfare state, lifted the US from the depression it was in. You know, like fixing a tennis players racket so he can play tennis again.

Aren't we de-emphasizing the role of WW2 in the end of the depression?

Like, how all of a sudden people were working in military factories and not on the street?

Originally posted by inimalist
Aren't we de-emphasizing the role of WW2 in the end of the depression?

Like, how all of a sudden people were working in military factories and not on the street?

But the war ended in 45.

Originally posted by lord xyz
But the war ended in 45.
A-and?

Originally posted by Bardock42
A-and?
So what, everyone works in the army, do they?

Originally posted by lord xyz
So what, everyone works in the army, do they?
No, but that certainly improved the economy. You have a really naive view of economics, I think.

Originally posted by lord xyz
But the war ended in 45.

indeed.

so between 1939 and 1945, american corporations, and thus the american economy, got to supply the allies pretty much with all of their equipment

there are reasons FDR talked about the military industrial complex even back then. The economic benefits from WW2 created the capital to get the country out of the depression.

Hitler did a similar thing. By intensifying the military industry, he was able to employ many people and stabilize the German economy, picking them up out of the depression years before anyone else, even though they were potentially worse off than other nations (treaty of Versailles and what not).

Originally posted by lord xyz
So what, everyone works in the army, do they?

I know it is a double post, but I wanted to elaborate a bit on this point

During the modern "most important war ever" ie, the war on terror, there has been no requirement of citizens to change their daily life. In fact, the government wants things to remain the same to discourage any anti-war blow back. If people had to sacrifice their SUVs and gallon of petroleum that they like to pour on their breakfast cereal, they might not be so fervent to "smoke out" them "mohamedens" and "Bin Laden" (its hard to put a southern accent into writing sometimes).

However, during WW2, things were much different. Local industry almost completely shifted from civilian to military operations. Clothing, food, basic machinery, etc, was crafted almost universally for the war effort.

The jobs might not have been specifically "army" jobs, but in a time of real war, a nation must make these types of sacrifices, and in WW2, it was a necessity of the american economy to be pretty much 100% producing items for the war.

I see. that must be why so many presidents start wars.