Democratic Nomination?

Started by dadudemon101 pages
Originally posted by Devil King
I'm not sure the notion that a protracted democratic nomination process is really going to give McCain any sort of advantage. In fact, I think it relegates him further and further from a viable candidacy.

It certainly lessens his name being mentioned in the media. However, if I am not mistaken, this has also distracted VOTES from the democratic side because of how drawn out it has been and because of the bickering.

Some voters see the democratic side too fragmented to be a viable option.

Does anyone have any polls showing McCain vs. Obama/Clinton?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Originally posted by Bardock42
Plays into what I have said.
Why would it make me a ****ing idiot though?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why would it make me a ****ing idiot though?
It doesn't make you one. It shows that you are one. Quite different.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It doesn't make you one. It shows that you are one. Quite different.
How?

And surely showing someone's an idiot, makes them one (in the sense that it's evidence that the person is an idiot).

Originally posted by lord xyz
How?

And surely showing someone's an idiot, makes them one (in the sense that it's evidence that the person is an idiot).

I wouldn't say it is conclusive. But usually when someone is an idiot, it shows.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I wouldn't say it is conclusive. But usually when someone is an idiot, it shows.
Okay, now answer the question.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay, now answer the question.

You are wondering how thinking that something incredibly stupid and/or dull, is funny or worthy satire is and indication of the person thinking that not being particularly smart, in fact, stupid? Is that your question?

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are wondering how thinking that something incredibly stupid and/or dull, is funny or worthy satire is and indication of the person thinking that not being particularly smart, in fact, stupid? Is that your question?
My question is why would pretending to be someone who would make a joke like that, in a form of satire at people who make jokes like that, make me "a ****ing idiot".

Originally posted by lord xyz
My question is why would pretending to be someone who would make a joke like that, in a form of satire at people who make jokes like that, make me "a ****ing idiot".
Because it was shitty satire. It wasn't funny, it wasn't smart....it was incredibly idiotic.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because it was shitty satire. It wasn't funny, it wasn't smart....it was incredibly idiotic.
Nah, it was good satire, you just don't realise it.

Maybe just not your kind of humour.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Nah, it was good satire, you just don't realise it.

Maybe just not your kind of humour.

Right. Or you constanlty fail at jokes. Either.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Right. Or you constanlty fail at jokes. Either.
Are you sure you can have Either as a sentence on its own?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Are you sure you can have Either as a sentence on its own?
Yeah. I can. And I did.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Nah, it was good satire, you just don't realise it.

Maybe just not your kind of humour.

No, you just suck @ it. The set up must be more than the base material. Normally, good satire requires an allusion.

You just failed.

It's ok.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah. I can. And I did.
I believe it was a syntax error, but that's just me.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I believe it was a syntax error, but that's just me.
Sure.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I believe it was a syntax error, but that's just me.

well you obviously have a 'goto 10' line which needs deleting.

Originally posted by Devil King
I'm not sure the notion that a protracted democratic nomination process is really going to give McCain any sort of advantage. In fact, I think it relegates him further and further from a viable candidacy.

well, one advantage is the low attention span of voters, considering that any mud which could be slung at obama has already been slung by the clinton campaign directly or indirectly. nobody seems to care about old news, regardless of its severity.

Originally posted by Schecter
well, one advantage is the low attention span of voters

But this point, a valid one, is where my argument fails. I always assume people are paying attention and realize their own self-interest. I always fail when I assume the intelligence of the "other guy".

If voters could be swayed by a protracted nomination proccess, then the few months remaining after the dem nominee has been chosen would render my point moot. And, perhaps this is why Cinton calls Obama "elitist" when he doesn't speak down to people. He doesn't speak in 3 to 5 word sentences, so he's told that uneducated whites don't like him. If Clinton were paying attention to her own campaign, she'd realize the "change" on which Obama is running is only actually being addressed by Obama himself. She plays by old rules, by old methods, which only actually serve to illustrate her lack of consideration towards the very demographic she professes to appeal. And she does, %50 of the time, apparently. It isn't that I dislike Clinton, it's that I dislike the low rode she's chosen to walk coupled with her choice to do so. People always talk about "the party" suffering. But, who gives a shit about the super-delegates, which make up the party? Super-delegates don't have to worry about ramen noodles going up 10 cents a package; super-delegates (read any ****ing delegate for that matter) don't have to worry about banks being allowed to screw them over when their mother transfers funds to his bank account. (notice I don't mention gas prices: that's because super delegates, congressmen and senators don't have to worry about gas prices. But, gas prices effect practically every industry that serves the regular consumer that is more than a mile away from it's production site.)

What strikes me more than anything, is when democrats tear themselves apart over the idea that one candidate (and both sides think it's theirs) is going to "liberate" us from the burden of corporate theocracy. Ron Paul wasn't going to do it (he actually wanted to hand the country to them) Obama isn't going to do it, Hillary won't and neither will Johnny "I don't like torture" McCain. Members of the democratic party needn't worry about what the news says when they say that Clinton supporters won't back Obama when he gets the nod, as neither do Obama supporters being told the same. What has been seen are huge numbers of new democrat voters as well as huge numbers of people switching their party lines. The republicans are toast. That's not in question. And if I were a high tier conspiracy theorist, I'd say getting the democrats to hate each other were a masterstroke idea. But, they won't. Supporters of both candiadtes on teh democratic side have openly, and in my experiencce, said they would support either if they were given a choice between Obama and McCain or Clinton and McCain. I'd like to see one democrat on this board claim they wouldn't vote for Hillary over McCain.

The whole ****ing system needs to be torn down and rebuilt. But, in leiu of that, I'll vote for the candidate that will do the least damage to me; at least until the guillotine is reinvented.

Hmm, DK seemed all over the place but I don't find fault in any of the points.

I happen to be a Democrat. I can't tell you much about what McCain is doing except that he is a supporter of damn near everything Bush is doing currently. Frankly, that's all I feel like I need to know