hawkgirl vs wolverine

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He was like I said Bryne before UXM #139-140 and the eventual tie-in to AF #1 stated Wolverine had a healing factor then.

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uhhh great... like I said, I was answering a question that has nothing to do with chronology.. am I being unclear here?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually yeah they did, not you or Srank.

well I'm not sure who "they" are but knowing that srank nor I said that why did you use it in replies to us?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not at all, I mentioned examples of a person far less stronger than Hawkgirl severely damaging him and even excluding that fight various street level characters have gone toe to toe with him.

actually I thought we were talking about daredevil or cap "taking it to him" or knocking him out, since that's what you were talking about...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
You remove Wolverine's claws what does he have? the person earlier made a comment that without Hakwgirl's mace she is nothing. That point I made goes a long with that as even if you remove their "weapons" their far from helpess.

Sure, but Hawkgirl is vastly higher than those people. Physically, speed, mentally, etc.

I have no argument against that..

though it should be noted that a clawless wolverine has level rogue before.. so.. that's impressive.

I'd also like to point out that story wise Wolverine didn't rely on his claws, or healing factor for that matter for the vast majority of his career. Seeing as mutants weren't common sight he didn't use his claws or healing factor when he was a secret agent/soldier/weapon x agent. It wasn't until after he was bonded with Adamantium, escaped, and Heather and James found him that he did. Its hard to say how long ago that was because of Marvels vague time-line but less then 20 years... might even be less then 15. Wolverine likely has more experience with daggers, swords and firearms then he does with is claws. He can make do just fine with out them.

'Sides he beat the crap out of the chick that lead the Neo with his bare hands. And she took on the entire X-Men and made them look like amateurs, she even shrugged of Colossus' punches. 😉

R.I.P hawkgirl

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd also like to point out that story wise Wolverine didn't rely on his claws, or healing factor for that matter for the vast majority of his career. Seeing as mutants weren't common sight he didn't use his claws or healing factor when he was a secret agent/soldier/weapon x agent. It wasn't until after he was bonded with Adamantium, escaped, and Heather and James found him that he did. Its hard to say how long ago that was because of Marvels vague time-line but less then 20 years... might even be less then 15. Wolverine likely has more experience with daggers, swords and firearms then he does with is claws. He can make do just fine with out them.

'Sides he beat the crap out of the chick that lead the Neo with his bare hands. And she took on the entire X-Men and made them look like amateurs, she even shrugged of Colossus' punches. 😉

Originally posted by jinzin
yup, infact he had to retrain himself to fight with the claws, and he didn't even really get around to doing that until he was a part of alpha flight, as showcased in AF1...as for the second part srank... what issue is that?

X-Men 102

sweet action.. gracias.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
When was this Bryne interview? Because until around UCX 141-142, Wolverine technically didn't have a healing factor. When Guardian thrashed him in 109, Wolverine was relying purely on durability.

And he'd have to be stronger then 1.5 ton to punch Wolverine "a few miles"... especially considering they were in the forest and there where lots of obstacles to slow Wolverine down.

Few months after UXM #109, it was a joint interview about the upcoming members of Alpha Flight. It was in a transcript form.

Well that's what the "handbooks" say, and yeah their pretty inaccurate but there was no set limit limit or many lifting feats for Guardian. That's were the 1.5 comes from.

Originally posted by jinzin
well I'm not sure who "they" are but knowing that srank nor I said that why did you use it in replies to us?

Technically you replied to me when I was making comments to the person earlier.

[QUOTE=8218003]Originally posted by jinzin
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actually I thought we were talking about daredevil or cap "taking it to him" or knocking him out, since that's what you were talking about...

Naaaa...there were comment earlier about only a Hulk level bruiser could take Wolverine out. Street levers have gone toe to toe with Wolverine, but the poster earlier made it seem no one could touch him

Originally posted by jinzin

I have no argument against that..

though it should be noted that a clawless wolverine has level rogue before.. so.. that's impressive.

and Roughhouse, but earlier someone said Hawkgirl without the mace is completly useless. The mace is merely an instrument just like Wolverine's claws you remove either they can still fight.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd also like to point out that story wise Wolverine didn't rely on his claws, or healing factor for that matter for the vast majority of his career. Seeing as mutants weren't common sight he didn't use his claws or healing factor when he was a secret agent/soldier/weapon x agent. It wasn't until after he was bonded with Adamantium, escaped, and Heather and James found him that he did. Its hard to say how long ago that was because of Marvels vague time-line but less then 20 years... might even be less then 15. Wolverine likely has more experience with daggers, swords and firearms then he does with is claws. He can make do just fine with out them.

'Sides he beat the crap out of the chick that lead the Neo with his bare hands. And she took on the entire X-Men and made them look like amateurs, she even shrugged of Colossus' punches. 😉

Oh no I'm not saying Wolverine's is useless without his claws. The claws just like Hawkgirl's mace are instruments they don't define the character.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It was John Bryne, the man who was responsible for making Wolverine who he is today. Nice try.

Anyone who thinks John Byrne is a crappy writer needs to leave this site and throw themselves out a window 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
yup, infact he had to retrain himself to fight with the claws, and he didn't even really get around to doing that until he was a part of alpha flight, as showcased in AF1...as for the second part srank... what issue is that?

I agree but Wolverine never appeared in Alpha Flight #1, there was just a two panel flashback from UXM #140 or do you mean Alpha Flight volume 1?

Is this seriously an argument about if Guardian KO'ed Wolverine?!? 🤨

Wow....just....wow 😐

how can wolvie get a clean shot at hawkgirl when she's flying??

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and yet a person who can press 1.5 tons knocked him out in one hit 🙄

Oh yeah, I seem to remember this grisly little episode:

OH MY GOD!?!?!?!?!

ahem...

eat it alpha boy. 😄

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Did Wolverine or Cap use the magical sword in their fight? no. Captain American even crushed Wolverine's tendons preventing him from unsheating his claws.

Fatal blood clot >>>>>>> crushed tendon.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Only in highly situational fights

Daredevil: Wolverine is mind controlled

Daredevil: Wolverine is written by Ennis

Captain America: Wolverine's healing factor is in a slump, he's just finish fight Nuke and... hey is that a magic sword?

Captain America: Wolverine has just been put through the meat grinder by the entire x-men roster. I believe it was stated he had never been hurt so badly in his life.

The only thing resembling a fair fight between Wolverine and Daredevil ended in three panels with DD in a full nelson...

The only fair fight was the one in which Wolverine won? 😕

Originally posted by Metalmanx
The only fair fight was the one in which Wolverine won? 😕

no, his point is that the only fair fight is one in which both combatants are fighting in their normal, optimal condition and not in some weakened state.

Originally posted by masterbruce
no, his point is that the only fair fight is one in which both combatants are fighting in their normal, optimal condition and not in some weakened state.

If I recall correctly, was not Daredevil under the "hypnotism"/influence of Typhoid Mary during the fight? Yes, I'm almost positive he was.

Not that I'm actually asking you, since you don't read comics and thus would not know for sure. 😐

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If I recall correctly, was not Daredevil under the "hypnotism"/influence of Typhoid Mary during the fight? Yes, I'm almost positive he was.

Not that I'm actually asking you, since you don't read comics and thus would not know for sure. 😐

if you're right, then that would not count as a fair victory for Logan. simple as that.

Originally posted by masterbruce
if you're right, then that would not count as a fair victory for Logan. simple as that.

Hah. Yea. Tell that to the others. 🙄

P.S.--Kudos on the sensible statement there. 👆

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hah. Yea. Tell that to the others. 🙄

P.S.--Kudos on the sensible statement there. 👆

You really do hate wolverine. I went to every recent fight of wolverine and in each one of them you are voting against him. Im going to buy you some wolverine comics for christmas. Maybe that'll help.

Wolverine wins this easily

Originally posted by carver9
You really do hate wolverine. I went to every recent fight of wolverine and in each one of them you are voting against him. Im going to buy you some wolverine comics for christmas. Maybe that'll help.

What were those recent fights you visited? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps I just feel that his respective opponent would defeat him in a fight? 😑

Hey, far be it for me to object free comics. Although it seems like a waste on your part--I know plenty about Wolverine and what he's capable of. But hey, free comics are free comics. 🙂