Originally posted by Evangel94
Iron Man has fought against characters that can phase and has enhanced his armor accordingly. It's been demonstrated that when a character attempting to phase, comes in contact with the armor, they will are shunted back and receive intense feedback and pain.Iron Man has also had telepathic protection built into his armor since the 90s that protects him from telepathic manipulation while he's inside the armor. Multi-spectrum scanners, such as infrared used to detect Invisible Woman, will pick up invisible characters.
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How does IM counter MM's shapeshifting?
Originally posted by Evangel94
Iron Man has fought against characters that can phase and has enhanced his armor accordingly.
It's been demonstrated that when a character attempting to phase, comes in contact with the armor, they will are shunted back and receive intense feedback and pain.
MM literally phases out of his dimension by shifting his mass into another dimension only leaving a "ghost" of himself left.
Do you have any proof that IM's "feedback" will have any effect with the durability and resilence of Superman-tier characters.
If phasing doesn't work, he can simply use his x-ray vision or elepathy or micro-vision to scan IM's armour (being a Martian general with technology far superior to anything on Earth as well as having learned and intergrated technology as advanced as the 85, 371rd century, he won't have difficulty) and simply adjust his molecules to compensate for the armour's defense. He has complete and utter control over his molecular structure.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Iron Man has also had telepathic protection built into his armor since the 90s that protects him from telepathic manipulation while he's inside the armor.
You have any proof that it can protect him from an above-Xavier level telepath. I don't think so....
Originally posted by Evangel94
Multi-spectrum scanners, such as infrared used to detect Invisible Woman, will pick up invisible characters.
Won't work. Martian Manhunter has the same thing. He'll scan (or just read Tony's mind or the armour's "mind" as he has performed technotelepathy with the Mother Box and the Watchtower) and simply adjust his body temperature to block his scanners. He's done it before against opponents who've used infared.
Or he can just clone himself by making hundreds of duplicates with nice normal body temperatures to confuse Tony...and pummel Tony into a bloody pulp.
Originally posted by Evangel94
With both characters being literal "swiss army" knives by having such a variety of powers,
You mean with Tony having an armour just waiting to be peeled off and Martian Manhunter seemingly coming up with new powers every other month...
Originally posted by Evangel94
and Iron Man having defenses against most of Martian Manhunter's attacks.
Oh please...
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Originally posted by Evangel94
It's going to come down to brute strength and speed.
Which would be very, very bad for Tony. Unless I see Tony towing a third of the Earth's weight and curbstomping the entire JLA by growing into a Godzilla-sized mammoth, Tony's not ANYWHERE near MM's strength.
And unfortunately for Tony, MM's been recorded at near lightspeed capacity which makes it worse for Tony.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Manhunter has the strength to knock Iron Man around really hard.
No, I'd say he has strength to plow his fist through Tony's beer belly, armor or not...
Originally posted by Evangel94
While Extremis Iron Man is no slouch when it comes to strength,
Which is obviously (except to you cause you're special) not anywhere near MM's strength. Did I mention MM once put Japan back to its correct positioning on a tectonic plating by pushing it....?
Any attack made by IM will be dodged, phased through, shapeshifted around or simply buffered by absorbing density from his environment increasing his already Superman-level durability...
Originally posted by Evangel94
Extremis Iron Man has demonstrated speed,
Not nearly as fast J'onn who regularly flies around the solar system like it's a sidewalk.
Originally posted by Evangel94
and superhuman split second reaction time that give villains/heroes a very hard time.
J'onn has demostrated the ability to keep track of E2 Johnny Quick even at lightspeeds AND keep track of every Flash on Earth during the cosmic gambler saga.
Originally posted by Evangel94
And the final factor comes down to where they are fighting and circumstances of the fight.
No, not all. You've just demostrated you know nothing about MM. Tony's gonna be a punching bag against him.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thank you this is what we've been asking EvilHelix forHow does IM counter MM's shapeshifting?
He can't. MM's nearly as good as Plastic Man. He can convert his molecules to nearly anything he wants except energy.
Hell, he can even turn into entirely different animals. He can literally shapeshift his own DNA.
Originally posted by db_renji
Give Iron Man prep and basic info on MM's powerset and I think he has a really good chance of winning this. I don't see him winning without prep and info.
True. MM's weakness to fire is gone but he is still vulnerable to "flames of passion"
So IM just burns alot of homes with people in them and makes J'onn fight him there.
Originally posted by Draco69why would there have to be people in them? He could just buy them out fill them with propane tanks and light em on fire. then fight MM there.
True. MM's weakness to fire is gone but he is still vulnerable to "flames of passion"So IM just burns alot of homes with people in them and makes J'onn fight him there.
Originally posted by TheEvilHex
why would there have to be people in them? He could just buy them out fill them with propane tanks and light em on fire. then fight MM there.
MM's is no longer vulnerable to plain ol' fire. It's has to have psychic significance. For example, setting an abandoned car on fire with no people in the would have no effect. Nor would using a flamethrower against MM. However if IM set ablaze a populated area, MM would be overcome with the dying or in pain mental anguish caused by the flame.
MM's weakness to flame is entirely psychic. Not physical.
Draco69 why would you create a thread for which you know the answer for? You seem to have it set for youself who would win. As Soljier pointed out, this is clearly a spite thread.
You're not interested on anything regarding Iron Man. You just want to draw out people who would argue Iron Man so you can bury them in a endless circular debate on how Iron Man would lose.
What exactly do you have against me? You seem lace every response you have for me with insults. I thought you keep it on a professional level and not take anything personal.
Originally posted by Draco69Iron Man could stand in the fire burning to death... 😖hifty:
MM's is no longer vulnerable to plain ol' fire. It's has to have psychic significance. For example, setting an abandoned car on fire with no people in the would have no effect. Nor would using a flamethrower against MM. However if IM set ablaze a populated area, MM would be overcome with the dying or in pain mental anguish caused by the flame.MM's weakness to flame is entirely psychic. Not physical.
Originally posted by Evangel94So, now after you realize that Iron Man CAN'T win, you call it spite?
Draco69 why would you create a thread for which you know the answer for? You seem to have it set for youself who would win. As Soljier pointed out, this is clearly a spite thread.You're not interested on anything regarding Iron Man. You just want to draw out people who would argue Iron Man so you can bury them in a endless circular debate on how Iron Man would lose.
What exactly do you have against me? You seem lace every response you have for me with insults. I thought you keep it on a professional level and not take anything personal.
Originally posted by bigbran
So, now after you realize that Iron Man CAN'T win, you call it spite?
You just argued agaisnt it, and this thread was made to see how many people thought Tony would win.
Basically you fell into his trap...
I saw this as spite thread a mile away, but I thought I could as least deliver some information to others who may not know certain facts about Iron Man. I never said Iron Man would outright win in anywhere in my posts. Also, I don't want to be dragged down into a mindless circular arguement which would eventually degrade into outright insults.
I tried to at least give this threa the benefit of the doubt but its clear I gave this thread too much credit.
Since when do we call MM's durability "Superman" level? True, he can make himself verrrry durable, not SM durable, but durable. But, he can only hold it for less than a minute if that long, if he stresses too much, he turns into goo.
This is all outdated since I haven't read a MM comic since 93, but give me a break, here.
MM wins, but he isn't THAT far above people like IM.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Draco69 why would you create a thread for which you know the answer for? You seem to have it set for youself who would win. As Soljier pointed out, this is clearly a spite thread.
You've argued for Iron Man against the likes of Green Lantern and WW and Superman.
Heck, you stated that IM could beat Green Lantern out right.
GL is leagues above MM. Anything MM can do, GL can do better. And yet this is spite in comparision to GL?
Originally posted by Evangel94
You're not interested on anything regarding Iron Man.
Not really. Never found him interesting.
However, for some reason you THINK I have "contempt" or a vendetta against a fictional character and for some odd reason you seem to take it as if I were insulting your boyfriend...
Originally posted by Evangel94
You just want to draw out people who would argue Iron Man so you can bury them in a endless circular debate on how Iron Man would lose.
And you fell for it. God, I'm evil!
Contradictory, no? You've just argued that IM can counter everything MM can do? And now you're putting up a pout saying it's spite. Make your mind, girlfriend!
Originally posted by Evangel94
What exactly do you have against me? You seem lace every response you have for me with insults. I thought you keep it on a professional level and not take anything personal.
Honey, we're debating like petulant twelve-year olds over men in spandex.
There was nothing professional about it in the first place.
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Originally posted by long pig
Since when do we call MM's durability "Superman" level? True, he can make himself verrrry durable, not SM durable, but durable. But, he can only hold it for less than a minute if that long, if he stresses too much, he turns into goo.This is all outdated since I haven't read a MM comic since 93, but give me a break, here.
MM wins, but he isn't THAT far above people like IM.
Yeah, that's outdated.
MM's uber.
