Pre-retcon Beyonder v.s. The Brothers (pre-retcon)

Originally posted by Utrigita
Now why should the living tribunal go fight against the beyonder, he had no reason to do so.

And the general thought on beyonder is that he is fromt the universe of the beyonders, this universe exist in a different reality, so the beyonder is also part of one of the brothers (don't know which one is marvel and dc) If we follow your logic then the infinites would also be outside oure multiverse, which i don't think it is, here we are talking not about a universe but a omniverse. (The marvel and DC) combined

living tribunal helps the 'brothers', how's that

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Originally posted by Galan007
They never actually fought though, so who knows?

Beyonder's presence in the Multiverse is more than enough reason for LT to act, because he is a Mystical Imbalance of power to the Multiverse.

This proves LT did nothing, because he could do nothing.

Originally posted by Galan007
You think that Thanos /w/ THOTU>Beyonder correct?

Not really.

Beyonder demonstrated more power than THOTI.

Beyonder took over TOAA's Multiverse (Omniverse back then)

Beyonder created a Universe roughly over 20 Quintillion times more Infinite than said Multiverse.

The biggest Feat the HOTI has, is the LT absorption, that's unimaginable but not when your comparing it to the Beyonder.

Originally posted by Galan007
So why would you think differently of the Brothers who were clearly of AT LEAST equal power?

Ah, but you thought I thought the Beyonder<THOTI.

When in fact I think, Beyonder>THOTI.

Originally posted by Galan007
The scans also say that they were responsible for the first creation as well. They were ALL of it.

I'm not arguing they were all of creation with in their respective Multiverses, but this Marvel vs Dc came out in 96-97, and it was NEVER continuity Canon.

The Infinity Being was established in Continuity Canon Titles as the First and ALL, back in 1990.

Originally posted by Galan007
And does the Beyonder Universe scan say that our Multiverse was a drop of water in comparison?

On the top of every First Page in Secret Wars II.

A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean

"Our Own" means our Multiverse, because the Beyond Realm lies Beyond it.

Multi-Eternity (as Eternity) was the one that spoke to Beyonder, pleading NOT to erase Multi-Death:

"I, Eternity, am ENEMY to NONE...I take no sides, for I ENCOMPASS ALL"

"It is MY DESTINY we consider here ... MY DESTINY you hold in your hands"

MY DESTINY?

A SINGLE Universe is representing the Multiverse? ❌

So this must be the Multiverse ("Our Own"😉 or (ALL Eternity) representing itself.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Now why should the living tribunal go fight against the beyonder, he had no reason to do so.

Really?

What do you think the Living Tribunal's function is?

To safeguard the Multiversal Balance

Beyonder ERASED Death from the Multiverse:

What do you think this would lead to?

A Multiversal Imbalance! (ALL the reason in the Multiverse for LT to ACT)

Originally posted by Utrigita
And the general thought on beyonder is that he is fromt the universe of the beyonders, this universe exist in a different reality, so the beyonder is also part of one of the brothers (don't know which one is marvel and dc)

Your confusing PRE-RETCON with POST.

PRE-RETCON Beyonder has NOTHING to do with the "Beyonders."

Originally posted by Utrigita
If we follow your logic then the infinites would also be outside oure multiverse, which i don't think it is,

I don't see how this fits with what I was saying.

Originally posted by Utrigita
here we are talking not about a universe but a omniverse. (The marvel and DC) combined

I didn't see that word Omniverse, where did you?

Hey Mr M 🙂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/438700_1-genesis-marvel-premiere-issue-10-14-1974-vs-phoenix-or-anything-else-at

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Originally posted by boriquaking55
So this can go either way then, correct?

Beyonder takes it.

Originally posted by By Crom!
Hey Mr M 🙂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/438700_1-genesis-marvel-premiere-issue-10-14-1974-vs-phoenix-or-anything-else-at

🙂

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Sis-neg wasn't "God"

And the ONLY Natural Big Bang in any of those events was the Entropy destruction and Creation of the 616 Universe/Eternity.

Which I have come to except as the TRUE Big Bang of Marvel.

It took place ON PANEL, it involved the 616 Universe/Eternity and it cycled END in the form of Entropy,

Entropy then initiates a Big Bang with his body and Eternity the 616 Universe is Created again, until the next appointed time for Entropy to do it all over again.

NEVER once is Phoenix mentioned in your Marvel link,

So thanx, I'm right 😄

First question: Is erasing death not survival of the fittest, beyonder was stronger then death, so thats survival of the fittest.

Now we are using pre then you must accept this! The Beyonder was the sum total of a pocket dimension called the Beyond-Realm or simply "Beyond", hence the name "Beyonder". This dimension was accidentally accessed by nebbish lab technician Owen Reece. Now I don't khow about but from what i have learned from a multiverse, is thats it consist of universes and possible dimonsion. And again if he is so powerful and capable of beating the Brothers then I find it strange that he needs a accident to look into oure univers. And again you saying its the multiverse that is ofcause you analyse i analyse it as oure own universe not everything.

Originally posted by Mr Master
A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean

Here is the same scan blown up so people actually read it:

Where is a Multiverse refered to in that scan?

You think Beyonder is more powerful then beings whom created ALL of Marvel and DC, which equals at least 2 Multiverses?

Overhyping him a bit aren't you?

He erased death, and created a Universe much bigger then our own. How does that lead you to your conclusion?

I agree Beyonder never did anything on panel than the HOTU.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Sis-neg wasn't "God"

And the ONLY Natural Big Bang in any of those events was the Entropy destruction and Creation of the 616 Universe/Eternity.

Which I have come to except as the TRUE Big Bang of Marvel.

It took place ON PANEL, it involved the 616 Universe/Eternity and it cycled END in the form of Entropy,

Entropy then initiates a Big Bang with his body and Eternity the 616 Universe is Created again, until the next appointed time for Entropy to do it all over again.

NEVER once is Phoenix mentioned in your Marvel link,

So thanx, I'm right 😄

Actually by recreating the universe he becomes "God" of that Universe.

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It's not a natural big bang it's magic induced.

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Of course Phoenix isn't mentioned you lack comprehension skills.

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Originally posted by By Crom!
Actually by recreating the universe he becomes "God" of that Universe.

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It's not a natural big bang it's magic induced.

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Of course Phoenix isn't mentioned you lack comprehension skills.

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So be becomes god of that univers great for beyonder, but that universe is still under the survalliance of the LT like all others.

Try again 😄

Originally posted by Utrigita
So be becomes god of that univers great for beyonder, but that universe is still under the survalliance of the LT like all others.

Try again 😄

My Response to all scans and arguments in this thread if they happened is........

I don't dispute the creation event took place, however, the event is only a moment in Marvel History and 🙂

[B]As anyone sane knows:

[B]Perhaps the fact that multiple beings have experienced multiple origins of the universe actually means that the 616 reality is always in a state of flux, constantly re-writing itself as time goes on.

By Crom! [/B]

Marvels own words it was a big bang

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

🙂 [/B]

Originally posted by Mordum
I agree Beyonder never did anything on panel than the HOTU.

ur saying beyonder<hoti

does anyone know when the name beyonder appeared?

its a ff issue, just don't know the issue

Originally posted by guy222
ur saying beyonder<hoti

does anyone know when the name beyonder appeared?

its a ff issue, just don't know the issue

My Response to all scans and arguments in this thread if they happened is........

I don't dispute the creation event took place, however, the event is only a moment in Marvel History and 🙂

[B]As anyone sane knows:

[B]Perhaps the fact that multiple beings have experienced multiple origins of the universe actually means that the 616 reality is always in a state of flux, constantly re-writing itself as time goes on.

By Crom! [/B]

Marvels own words it was a big bang

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

🙂 [/B]

Originally posted by Galan007
Nothing in this scan leads me to believe it is refering to a Multiverse. Never once is a Multiverse refered to.

You have that right to your opinion.

Originally posted by Galan007
Here is the same scan blown up so people actually read it:

I can read my scan just aswell as this one.

If you can't actually read it, you should say, "so I can actually read it" NOT people.

Originally posted by Galan007
Where is a Multiverse refered to in that scan?

Beyonder was from OUTSIDE the Multiverse, so Beyonder NOTICED the Multiverse, not just a single Universe of the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Galan007
You think Beyonder is more powerful then beings whom created ALL of Marvel and DC, which equals at least 2 Multiverses?

You mean a whole TWO Multiverses mega_shok

You have MANY MILLIONS of Multiverses to go before you reach Beyonder:

Beyonder is Millions of Times More Powerful than ALL the Rest of the Multiverse Combined.

Originally posted by Galan007
Overhyping him a bit aren't you?

Originally posted by Galan007
He erased death, and created a Universe much bigger then our own. How does that lead you to your conclusion?

He erased Multi-Death, and created a Universe Quintillions of times more Infinite than the Multiverse.

Is this surprising?

Of course not,

Beyonder is Millions of Times More Powerful than ALL the Rest of the Multiverse Combined. (ON PANEL)

Originally posted by Mr Master

He erased Multi-Death, and created a Universe Quintillions of times more Infinite than the Multiverse.

Is this surprising?

Of course not,

Beyonder is Millions of Times More Powerful than ALL the Rest of the Multiverse Combined. (ON PANEL)

My Response to all scans and arguments in this thread if they happened is........

I don't dispute the creation event took place, however, the event is only a moment in Marvel History and 🙂

[B]As anyone sane knows:

[B]Perhaps the fact that multiple beings have experienced multiple origins of the universe actually means that the 616 reality is always in a state of flux, constantly re-writing itself as time goes on.

By Crom! [/B]

Marvels own words it was a big bang

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

🙂 [/B]

Originally posted by Mordum
I agree Beyonder never did anything on panel than the HOTU.

What did the HOTU do, that surpasses Beyonder?

Just great,

we have a spamming troll in the house.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Just great,

we have a spamming troll in the house.

Not really I am pointing out that;

Multiple beings have experienced multiple origins of the universe actually means that the 616 reality is always in a state of flux, constantly re-writing itself as time goes on.

Marvels own words it was a big bang

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

🙂

That's not spam it's a fact hence retconns and multiple reasons and why you can never have a hierarchy 🙂

It's no more spam than multiple reposting of scans of "events" snapshots of moments.

Crom posting the same exact thing three times is spam.