616 Wolverine and Ultimate Wolverine, a connection?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They weren't just re-using panels, the art was new and redrawn by McGuinness for the story.

It wasn't an "Untold" fight between 616 Wolverine and Hulk, as 616 Wolverine has never worn the Ultimate Wolverine uniform (which he points out in the issue). Wolverine is remembering his first fight with the Hulk (which is notably different this time around due to some reconts) and his memory is interupted by one of Ultimate Wolverine getting torn in half... and Wolverine is all "WTF?". Not sure how you came to the conclusion that Wolverine having a possible physic link to the memories of his Ultimate counterpart some how adds up to Ultimate Wolverine getting ripped in half = 616 Wolverine getting ripped in half, though. It still has no grounds in the normal marvel universe.

Take it easy man. I didn't see the issue and was only going by what you said earlier. As far as I knew if he remembers it then it happened. Looking at now though it just seems to be an in-joke. Not a big deal

Originally posted by marvelprince
Take it easy man. I didn't see the issue and was only going by what you said earlier. As far as I knew if he remembers it then it happened. Looking at now though it just seems to be an in-joke. Not a big deal

... Did what I said come of aggressive or something? 😕

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... Did what I said come of aggressive or something? 😕

No. Did my take it easy come off as defensive? 😕

Oh yay yet another chance for wolverine to be overexposed in a PIS filled mini that craps on all other marvel characters.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Merging of memories is what I was thinking too.

Exactly. So, if that's the case, and it has been printed in a 616 comic, would that then mean that it did in fact happen to Wolverine at some point in time? Because, just following the logic of the comic itself and our conclusion that it is a merging of his memories, wouldn't that be correct?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly. So, if that's the case, and it has been printed in a 616 comic, would that then mean that it did in fact happen to Wolverine at some point in time? Because, just following the logic of the comic itself and our conclusion that it is a merging of his memories, wouldn't that be correct?

Technically it never happened to him per say but he apparently remembers it happening... even though it really happened to Ultimate Wolverine. So... yeah... reality mingling is confusing.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly. So, if that's the case, and it has been printed in a 616 comic, would that then mean that it did in fact happen to Wolverine at some point in time? Because, just following the logic of the comic itself and our conclusion that it is a merging of his memories, wouldn't that be correct?

The memory got placed into his head by accident, when he remembered everything that ACTUALLY happened to him.

It never happened to 616 Wolverine, though. Just Ultimate. As far as we know, anyways.

Or it was just an inside joke and it doesn't matter anyways. Either way, you won't be able to use the "his joints aren't adamantium!" argument in the versus forum. 😛.

And I know that's what you were getting at, 😉.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Technically it never happened to him per say but he apparently remembers it happening... even though it really happened to Ultimate Wolverine. So... yeah... reality mingling is confusing.

Originally posted by Soljer
The memory got placed into his head by accident, when he remembered everything that ACTUALLY happened to him.

It never happened to 616 Wolverine, though. Just Ultimate. As far as we know, anyways.

Or it was just an inside joke and it doesn't matter anyways. Either way, you won't be able to use the "his joints aren't adamantium!" argument in the versus forum. 😛.

And I know that's what you were getting at, 😉.

I'm not sure I follow. The Ultimate universe and 616 have never collided. Thus, even though it is a scene out of an Ultimate comic, wouldn't it be safe to assume that it did in fact happen to him? After HOM, he's regained all of his lost memories, correct? Well, wouldn't that imply that the instance did indeed happen to him?

And I really am just trying to get a hold onto this situation. I want to be able to accurately understand what happened so then, if necessary, I can (or cannot) use it as evidence. But even though it would prove useful against Wolverine, I would hope that srank would answer me unbiasedly (which I believe he will).

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm not sure I follow. The Ultimate universe and 616 have never collided. Thus, even though it is a scene out of an Ultimate comic, wouldn't it be safe to assume that it did in fact happen to him? After HOM, he's regained all of his lost memories, correct? Well, wouldn't that imply that the instance did indeed happen to him?

And I really am just trying to get a hold onto this situation. I want to be able to accurately understand what happened so then, if necessary, I can (or cannot) use it as evidence. But even though it would prove useful against Wolverine, I would hope that srank would answer me unbiasedly (which I believe he will).

I believe that this is implying that the Chaos magic that restored Wolverine's memories was chaotic.

Some of the memories he's regained are false. Some are from other continuities.

Wolverine even said "but...that never [happened]. And what the hell was that uniform?"

If he regained ALL his memories, and they were his true memories, he would have....(at the risk of being repetitive) REMEMBERED them.

He knows that that particular 'memory' never happened. Not to him, anyways.

Either the chaos magic ****ed up, and Wolverine is going to start 'remembering' a LOT of things that didn't actually happen in 616, or...

It was just an inside joke. 😐.

Maybe it's a red herring. Instead of Logan finally remembering his own life as a result of HoM, he got multiple mixed up memories of alternate versions of himself. So he'd be back to being the tortured man without a past that everyone loved.

Surely not...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Maybe it's a red herring. Instead of Logan finally remembering his own life as a result of HoM, he got multiple mixed up memories of alternate versions of himself. So he'd be back to being the tortured man without a past that everyone loved.

Surely not...

... I'd pay money for that. Really who whats a Wolverine that remembers his past?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm not sure I follow. The Ultimate universe and 616 have never collided. Thus, even though it is a scene out of an Ultimate comic, wouldn't it be safe to assume that it did in fact happen to him? After HOM, he's regained all of his lost memories, correct? Well, wouldn't that imply that the instance did indeed happen to him?

And I really am just trying to get a hold onto this situation. I want to be able to accurately understand what happened so then, if necessary, I can (or cannot) use it as evidence. But even though it would prove useful against Wolverine, I would hope that srank would answer me unbiasedly (which I believe he will).

Oh, I think I see what you are getting at. You are wondering if the example is usable in a debate because even though it is Ultimate Wolverine, it was shown in a 616 comic. The fact that it wasn't 616 Wolverine still comes into play, so even despite the fact that it happened in a 616 issue it still isn't admissible in a debate concerning 616.

But the rest of the story - in which the memories belong to 616 Wolverine - is a partial retcon of his first fight with the Hulk. In the original fight Wolverine was briefly koed and Department H forced him to evac at the start of 183... but in this retcon Hulk got a hold of Wolverine and prepared to rip him apart, then his memory jumped to those of Ultimate Wolverine. Wolverine was pretty adement that it never happened to him, and he has always had memories of that fight, so I'd say it is save to take his word on it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... I'd pay money for that. Really who whats a Wolverine that remembers his past?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well yeah, i prefer a Wolvie that doesn't know his past. There was potential in him finally remembering, but they haven't delivered (Origins is terrible IMO).

I pretend that Origins doesn't exist, just like Larry Hama's Batman run. 😉

That was a weird scene. I would hate for Marvel to have a cross over between the 2 universes.

I think that Lucid Lui was right in that they are just restoring the status-quo of a mentally messed up Wolverine.

If they have a cross over and wolverine fights ulitmate wolverine that would be retarded. ultimate wolverine would lose in a matter of seconds

that fight would be as bad as ulitmate spiderman vs spiderman

Originally posted by capt it up
If they have a cross over and wolverine fights ulitmate wolverine that would be retarded. ultimate wolverine would lose in a matter of seconds

that fight would be as bad as ulitmate spiderman vs spiderman

Why would Wolverine want to kill his alternate universe self?

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Originally posted by "V"
B-I-N-G-O, this is most likely. It's like an "In-joke" seeing as Ult Hulk vs Wolverine is cancelled. but yeah.

Cancelled? ... you sure?

Originally posted by Soljer
Why would Wolverine want to kill his alternate universe self?

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I am pritty sure spiderman would ask logan to kill his counter part also