Originally posted by batdude123
Nah. I'd smack them both around.Between you stealing Thor's helmet, and me pimpsmacking Juggernaut, we would be an invincible team.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Here you go, a way for Surfer to win....
Seriously though, is this the scan of Vision hurting Juggernaut? Because I don't buy it. But it does look like it's messing him up something hardcore. I imagine having your veins clogged in your brain would screw with your head no matter how durable you are.
For that matter, I wonder how strong someone would have to be to knock Juggernaut out with a blood choke. It doesn't really involve hurting him. You just have to squeeze off his veins enough so his brain doesn't get enough of a supply.
Originally posted by Accel
Juggernaut's been physically harmed tons of times. I sometimes think his invulnerability have more to do with his shield than any thing else.
What the heck are you talking about? 😕
The only time Juggernaut (Classic) has every been physically harmed was the Onslaught Saga (I don't think that was Classic version either) which was clearly bad writing. There are no other times. What are you smoking?
Originally posted by bigbran
Umm... when did you make this thread?
Then you would be lying. What about the fire, that Nightcrawler threw at him? What about when Ms Marvel hit him with a beam? What about when Juggernaut ran through a force-field and got KOed?Except he never uses it, like people have him in threads.
Is it just me, or is Juggernaut, quite overated?A good Thor fight that makes you think, is when Thor cut off some of his magic, and was curbstomping the shit out of him.
Thor also busted through his helmet, with a mere punch.
Like I said to Accel, Juggernaut has never been physically harmed (except by Onslaught). He has only been harmed by certain mystical magic or power and psionic attack. Juggernaut isn't overated. He simply cannot be harmed (or touched if he wills it) by physical force. He has the obvious weaknesses (That I listed) along with not being very fast, not able to fly, poor fighting skills, average reflexes and senses, not very smart. All of those things make Juggs very beatable (by BRF or trapping him) but never by harming him physically.
I guess this si as good a thread as any to reveal my new theory on the Jugegrnaut-Onlsaught incident. Remember it is just a theory.
Anyways in New Excalibur we find out that Xavier was going to be the first Juggernaut until Cain took the gem. They even make specific mention that the reason Onslaught was after Cain was that since it was both Magneto and Xavier that Xavier was still drawn to the gem.
Anyways as for my theory. I think that Onslaught was able to pierce Cain's chest because since Xavier was originally intended to be the Juggernaut he was able to overcome the enchantment based on role and not actual power. Although this doesn't take into account why the Gem was really there in the first place it does explain why with only Xavier's and Magneto's power he was able to "hurt" cain.
Originally posted by Newjak
I guess this si as good a thread as any to reveal my new theory on the Jugegrnaut-Onlsaught incident. Remember it is just a theory.Anyways in New Excalibur we find out that Xavier was going to be the first Juggernaut until Cain took the gem. They even make specific mention that the reason Onslaught was after Cain was that since it was both Magneto and Xavier that Xavier was still drawn to the gem.
Anyways as for my theory. I think that Onslaught was able to pierce Cain's chest because since Xavier was originally intended to be the Juggernaut he was able to overcome the enchantment based on role and not actual power. Although this doesn't take into account why the Gem was really there in the first place it does explain why with only Xavier's and Magneto's power he was able to "hurt" cain.
If you read the All New Exiles, Juggernaut was severely weakened. Then he came back to the 616 reality and was piratically welcomed by Onslaught.
Originally posted by h1a8Well, if he has never been hurt, then I think you are ignoring some of his showings.
Like I said to Accel, Juggernaut has never been physically harmed (except by Onslaught). He has only been harmed by certain mystical magic or power and psionic attack. Juggernaut isn't overated. He simply cannot be harmed (or touched if he wills it) by physical force. He has the obvious weaknesses (That I listed) along with not being very fast, not able to fly, poor fighting skills, average reflexes and senses, not very smart. All of those things make Juggs very beatable (by BRF or trapping him) but never by harming him physically.
You are just being ignorant to say he has never been hurt. Even if these were pis, you would still be lying, since he HAS been HURT. It may have been pis, but you can't say he has never been hurt.
Oh, and yes he (or his shield) is overated. In every damn thread, there is someone talking about his "three showing" shield, to say that they will never hit him. Or that he can't be BFRed. Or that his helmet wouldn't come off.
There is no proof of any of this... ever.
In every thread, there is saying that he has his shield up, and yet, it has only been shown a couple of times, and if it is true that his shield is his duribility, then that also means that it doesn't block out his helmet getting taken off.
I like Juggernaut, but in threads where Thanos (TPs) can't beat him because he has his shield up, it becomes a little much.
Also, Surfer beats him, and beats him bad.
Originally posted by bigbran
Well, if he has never been hurt, then I think you are ignoring some of his showings.
Force field equaled a KO.
Nightcrawler throwing fire at him equaled Juggernaut screaming.
Venom punching him equaled a scream.
Mr Marvel/Storm hitting him equaled a scream in pain.
I am having a hard time believing the Nightcrawler one. Because of these two instances:
He ends up fighting for a few pages like that. He doesn't even recognize the fire. He is not yelling because he is in pain but because he is pissed.
When did Mr. Marvel and Storm fight him. Besides I know Storms thunderbolts aren't doing anything to him. He took one of Thor's and laughed it off. I believe he did the same to one of Storm's one time.
I'll have to look up the Venom one again though. I think he was just yelling in anger again.
Originally posted by bigbranSurfer doesn't need to knock the helmet off. Telepathy can affect him through the helmet.
Oh, and yes he (or his shield) is overrated. In every damn thread, there is someone talking about his "three showing" shield, to say that they will never hit him. Or that he can't be BFRed. Or that his helmet wouldn't come off.
There is no proof of any of this... ever.
In every thread, there is saying that he has his shield up, and yet, it has only been shown a couple of times, and if it is true that his shield is his durability, then that also means that it doesn't block out his helmet getting taken off.
I like Juggernaut, but in threads where Thanos (TPs) can't beat him because he has his shield up, it becomes a little much.Also, Surfer beats him, and beats him bad.
😖hifty:
Originally posted by xmarksthespotYou know I could show another incident where it happens 😖hifty:
Surfer doesn't need to knock the helmet off. Telepathy can affect him through the helmet.😖hifty:
but I won't becuase most people know that if Xavier isn't getting through Cain's helmet which has been shown quite a few times then none of those feats really stack up 😬
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Surfer doesn't need to knock the helmet off. Telepathy can affect him through the helmet.😖hifty:
The first pic doesn't help your argument at all.
The second and third one do though, but Pyslock is the only one to do that to my knowledge, I could be wrong.
The last three don't count either. Because Cain doesn't have his mystical armor. That happened after he was depowered. His helmet in those last 3 pics is made of unstable molecules.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinIt still happened, and you are lying to say that he has never been hurt.
I am having a hard time believing the Nightcrawler one. Because of these two instances:He ends up fighting for a few pages like that. He doesn't even recognize the fire. He is not yelling because he is in pain but because he is pissed.
When did Mr. Marvel and Storm fight him. Besides I know Storms thunderbolts aren't doing anything to him. He took one of Thor's and laughed it off. I believe he did the same to one of Storm's one time.
I'll have to look up the Venom one again though. I think he was just yelling in anger again.
Here is the Storm one.
Originally posted by Accel
"Juggernaut screamed with rage.... and then with pain"
Originally posted by bigbranWhat exactly is the point your trying to make that on panel some writer showed cain for a breif moment having pain 😬
It still happened, and you are lying to say that he has never been hurt.
It may be pis, but you can't lye about it (goes for everyone).Here is the Storm one.
even you said most of them are PIS so why even try to bring them your better just saying that they didn't happen if they are PIS 😬
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinYou're not really getting my argument.
The first pic doesn't help your argument at all.
There are something like 3 instances of a forcefield, which people say prevents his helmet from being knocked off. There are like a bajillion instances of it being knocked off.
There are 4, or apparently 5 according to Newjak, instances where telepathy affects him through his helmet - including his first appearance where Xavier still manages to jolt him. There are many more where it doesn't do squat.
Therefore:
Surfer knocks off the helmet and uses telepathy.
Alternatively if people want to say the helmet can't be knocked off due to the elusive forcefield, then Surfer uses telepathy through the forcefield - since the latter has happened about the same amount of times as the former if not more times.
P.S. When was it stated that Jobbernaut's helmet isn't supposed to protect him from telepathy?
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinBecause it was written that way? It doesn't think of her saying it, it just shows that he was hurt.
Storms power didn't effect him. If any did, it was Spider-womans powers.It still brings the question, how did she hear anything over all the explosions and other events? How can she tell the difference between a scream of rage and a scream of pain?
Originally posted by NewjakBecause he was hurt?
What exactly is the point your trying to make that on panel some writer showed cain for a breif moment having pain 😬even you said most of them are PIS so why even try to bring them your better just saying that they didn't happen if they are PIS 😬
Because people are lying about it?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're not really getting my argument.There are 4, or apparently 5 according to Newjak, instances where telepathy affects him through his helmet - including his first appearance where Xavier still manages to jolt him. There are many more where it doesn't do squat.
Alternatively if people want to say the helmet can't be knocked off due to the elusive forcefield, then Surfer uses telepathy through the forcefield - since the latter has happened about the same amount of times as the former if not more times.P.S. When was it stated that Jobbernaut's helmet isn't supposed to protect him from telepathy?
This fight I assume is between Classic Juggs and Surfer. So those last 3 pics were of the current Juggernaut. His entire armor is made of unstable molecules. It has been shown that it isn't near as good protecting him against physics as his mystical armor was.
Xaiver still wasn't able to effect Cain in that first pic.
Cains body is still indestructible by physical means. Spider-womans powers effect the nervous system, that sends a signal of pain to the brain. Correct me if I am wrong on her powers.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
This fight I assume is between Classic Juggs and Surfer. So those last 3 pics were of the current Juggernaut. His entire armor is made of unstable molecules. It has been shown that it isn't near as good protecting him against physics as his mystical armor was.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinThere was an effect on him ergo he was affected.
Xaiver still wasn't able to effect Cain in that first pic.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinWhat has that got to do with my post?
Cains body is still indestructible by physical means. Spider-womans powers effect the nervous system, that sends a signal of pain to the brain. Correct me if I am wrong on her powers.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotBecause the Jobbernaut doesn't have the orignal helmet anymore as showcased with his black armor
You're not really getting my argument.There are something like 3 instances of a forcefield, which people say prevents his helmet from being knocked off. There are like a bajillion instances of it being knocked off.
There are 4, or apparently 5 according to Newjak, instances where telepathy affects him through his helmet - including his first appearance where Xavier still manages to jolt him. There are many more where it doesn't do squat.
Therefore:
Surfer knocks off the helmet and uses telepathy.Alternatively if people want to say the helmet can't be knocked off due to the elusive forcefield, then Surfer uses telepathy through the forcefield - since the latter has happened about the same amount of times as the former if not more times.
P.S. When was it stated that Jobbernaut's helmet isn't supposed to protect him from telepathy?
So that isn't the TP blocking helmet.
