Originally posted by bigbranYeah but the moments where he doesn't feel pain from much tougher attacks show that a few choice words don't really equate to a single point being made.
Because it was written that way? It doesn't think of her saying it, it just shows that he was hurt.Because he was hurt?
Because people are lying about it?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes, but where was it stated that his current helmet doesn't protect him from telepathy. He even remarks that Jean shouldn't be able to use telepathy on him.
There was an effect on him ergo he was affected.
It has been show a few times that it doesn't have the same properties as his older helmet after that incident. That could also be the first instance his mind was affected through his new helmet. So know he knows it doesn't work as well.
What has that got to do with my post?
It doesn't, I was replying back to bigbran. My bad for not quoting it separately.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So it's purely for show now and doesn't do anything against TP. Wow.. he really is a complete Jobbernaut now then.
It still protects him against some TP, but not high levels like Jean or Xavier.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotPretty much it is basically worthless in fact for the begining of NEw Excalibut he didn't even have a helemt just walked around in street cloths because it was worthless
So it's purely for show now and doesn't do anything against TP. Wow.. he really is a complete Jobbernaut now then.
Originally posted by Newjak
Pretty much it is basically worthless in fact for the begining of NEw Excalibut he didn't even have a helemt just walked around in street cloths because it was worthless
There was an issue where it proved some worth. It was the one where the shadow king (?) was possessing the Evil Xavier's body. It possessed Dazzler and trick Juggy into taking his helmet off, then it took over him.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So it's purely for show now and doesn't do anything against TP. Wow.. he really is a complete Jobbernaut now then.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifindid eveil xavier screw with juggys head when he took the helmet off ?
There was an issue where it proved some worth. It was the one where the shadow king (?) was possessing the Evil Xavier's body. It possessed Dazzler and trick Juggy into taking his helmet off, then it took over him.
Originally posted by spidey-dude
did eveil xavier screw with juggys head when he took the helmet off ?
No, he was unconscious the entire time. He was in a holding Cell. The Shadow King possessed Dazzler so she could trick Cain into taking his helmet off. Once he did the SK possessed him and used him to break open the Cell and fight the other members of Excalibur. Once the Cell was open he came out of Xavier and fought Psylock.
Originally posted by NewjakAnd?
Yeah but the moments where he doesn't feel pain from much tougher attacks show that a few choice words don't really equate to a single point being made.
I was just saying that Juggernaut has been hurt. It is bullshit to say that he has never been hurt.
I never said he wasn't invincible, just said that he has been hurt.
He is also overated with that little force field. How come you answer the hurt part, but you don't answer anything involving his shield?
Originally posted by bigbranBecause I know pretty much everything on his shield and the truth is that it is a plot device item that has been used like three times.
And?I was just saying that Juggernaut has been hurt. It is bullshit to say that he has never been hurt.
I never said he wasn't invincible, just said that he has been hurt.He is also overated with that little force field. How come you answer the hurt part, but you don't answer anything involving his shield?
Heck I can tell you every time it has been used and what every look of it was so why even bother though. Although if you want to use certain shields for certain ideas then yeah Cain's shield can block anypne from getting to his helemt 😬
Originally posted by NewjakOK.
Because I know pretty much everything on his shield and the truth is that it is a plot device item that has been used like three times.Heck I can tell you every time it has been used and what every look of it was so why even bother though. Although if you want to use certain shields for certain ideas then yeah Cain's shield can block anypne from getting to his helemt 😬
It isn't hard to cite three or more times...
And what if his shield does add to his duribility? Then that would mean that he has had his shield on everytime he gets his helmet ripped off by force.
Originally posted by bigbranYeah but I can tell you size, shape, color and even a possible forth shield he has shown although a general constant with the shield is that Cain has to summon it so everytime he gets his helmet ripped off he doesn't have it up
OK.It isn't hard to cite three or more times...
And what if his shield does add to his duribility? Then that would mean that he has had his shield on everytime he gets his helmet ripped off by force.
Originally posted by bigbran
Well, if he has never been hurt, then I think you are ignoring some of his showings.
Force field equaled a KO.
Nightcrawler throwing fire at him equaled Juggernaut screaming.
Venom punching him equaled a scream.
Mr Marvel/Storm hitting him equaled a scream in pain.You are just being ignorant to say he has never been hurt. Even if these were pis, you would still be lying, since he HAS been HURT. It may have been pis, but you can't say he has never been hurt.
Oh, and yes he (or his shield) is overated. In every damn thread, there is someone talking about his "three showing" shield, to say that they will never hit him. Or that he can't be BFRed. Or that his helmet wouldn't come off.
There is no proof of any of this... ever.
In every thread, there is saying that he has his shield up, and yet, it has only been shown a couple of times, and if it is true that his shield is his duribility, then that also means that it doesn't block out his helmet getting taken off.
I like Juggernaut, but in threads where Thanos (TPs) can't beat him because he has his shield up, it becomes a little much.Also, Surfer beats him, and beats him bad.
Why are you making things up? Classic Juggs has never ever screamed to Nightcrawler, Venom, or anyone (physical wise). Show me where he has been hurt (Classic Juggs) physically. I don't want to see scans when he was depowered either. Just pure classic unstoppable Juggernaut. Show me please.
By the way, I do believe Juggs can be BFR. But who wants to talk about a win like this? That's why we should create fights where the combatants are surrounded by an unbreakable surrounding (or simply stating that BFR isn't allowed).
Originally posted by h1a8OK, he was dazed in the fight with Venom, and then was scared off, by "teh" physical abuse.
Why are you making things up? Classic Juggs has never ever screamed to Nightcrawler, Venom, or anyone (physical wise). Show me where he has been hurt (Classic Juggs) physically. I don't want to see scans when he was depowered either. Just pure classic unstoppable Juggernaut. Show me please.By the way, I do believe Juggs can be BFR. But who wants to talk about a win like this? That's why we should create fights where the combatants are surrounded by an unbreakable surrounding (or simply stating that BFR isn't allowed).
The rest he actually got hurt. You can believe me or not. I really don't care, but I know it happened, and I will try to get the scans. Call me a liar all you want, but it will only make proving you wrong all the sweeter.
So, you can either believe me, hold tight until I get scans (might be a while), or call me a liar.
BFR still counts as a win, and it still counts as Juggernaut losing, either way you look at it. This battle also ISN'T like that. It is a normal field, so don't try to turn it into something else.
Originally posted by bigbranHe is right, Surfer is more than able to BFR Juggs, or even scare him away like Venom, Surfer FTW!
OK, he was dazed in the fight with Venom, and then was scared.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/caslandr/venom/Juggernaut_001.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/caslandr/venom/Juggernaut_002.jpg
(thanks Pittman)The rest he actually got hurt. You can believe me or not. I really don't care, but I know it happened, and I will try to get the scans. Call me a liar all you want, but it will only make proving you wrong all the sweeter.
So, you can either believe me, hold tight until I get scans (might be a while), or call me a liar.BFR still counts as a win, and it still counts as Juggernaut losing, either way you look at it. This battle also ISN'T like that. It is a normal field, so don't try to turn it into something else.
Originally posted by bigbran
OK, he was dazed in the fight with Venom, and then was scared.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/caslandr/venom/Juggernaut_001.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/caslandr/venom/Juggernaut_002.jpg
(thanks Pittman)The rest he actually got hurt. You can believe me or not. I really don't care, but I know it happened, and I will try to get the scans. Call me a liar all you want, but it will only make proving you wrong all the sweeter.
So, you can either believe me, hold tight until I get scans (might be a while), or call me a liar.BFR still counts as a win, and it still counts as Juggernaut losing, either way you look at it. This battle also ISN'T like that. It is a normal field, so don't try to turn it into something else.
What comic is that? It looks newer. Thus I don't even think that was Classic Juggs. For if it was classic then it would contradict him getting him with full force by Thor (by Mjlonir and also Godblast) and not even flinching. And Venom is nowhere near class 100 with that kind of power. And calm down about the BFR okay. I admitted that yes he can be BFR and thus lose to surfer (or anyone that is capable). I was just saying that no one is interested in wins like this. I was just giving my opinion on how threads should be made to prevent wins like this. If you and some others are interested in wins like this then more power to you. Continue to make threads allowing BFR. I know I won't.
