Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Was that not surfer in Planet Hulk?
If so, it wasn't. That was Surfer when he was still weakened from being stranded on Earth, and was further weakened by some mystics that used his power to bring the Abomination back in the first place.
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
I am not basing this off of Characters FeatsI'm purely basing this off of what I think SHOULD be.
Invalid.
I think that Wolverine should be able to one-shot Galactus.
Doesn't mean it's gonna happen.
Not to mention the fact that your entire argument is wrong.
For one, Galactus restored the Surfer's will to fight recently.
For two, just because Bruce Wayne is one of the best fighters on the planet does NOT mean he could go hand to hand with a watcher - even though a Watcher is one of the most peaceful beings in existence.
Originally posted by Soljer
Invalid.I think that Wolverine should be able to one-shot Galactus.
Doesn't mean it's gonna happen.
You weren't really paying attention to what I was writing, were you? I said "BASED ON WHAT THESE CHARACTERS ARE".
This takes into account the idea of Surfer being raised in peace and Thor being raised to be a warrior.
What's INVALID is your obviously incoherent connection between Thor beating Surfer because he has more experience as a fighter
And
Wolverine beating Galactus because................ (insert lack of evidence here).
If you were to use the logic I stated with Surfer and Thor... it SHOULD go a little more like this:
Galactus is a giant that has the power to eat planets... whereas Wolverine has the power to heal fast and fight a little bit..... no contest.
Maybe you shouldn't even respond to my post if all it's going to do is state "INVALID" since the statement in question is more a forewarning to begin with.
You said 'based on what I think.'
You judged the fight based off your preconceived notions of the Surfer and of Thor.
The entire basis of your argument could be summed up in two simple lines:
The Surfer is a pussy pacifist.
Thor is a bad assed warrior.
And honestly, it's not like either statement is wrong. The problem is that the pussy pacifist happens to be capable of survivng exploding suns, double fisted attacks by classic abomination, the Hulk stomping on his head, and planetary explosions. In damn near every comic he's in.
Thor also has some impressive durability feats, I'll admit. But few can top the Surfer's best. and even the ones that are comparable lose by sheer volume. There are plenty of examples of Thor being injured by the Hulk whereas the Surfer treats the Hulk stomping on his head as if he were a bratty child. An annoyance - at best.
That very same pussy pacifist also has cosmic awareness, can see/hear things from LIGHTYEARS away, and can move at hundreds of millions of times the speed of light.
Again, Bruce Wayne is a bad assed warrior. But when faced by someone who can shrug off any variety of attacks, and has flash-level speed? What can you expect him to do?
Thor's been speedblitzed by spidey-level characters. On multiple occasions.
😬.
By all rights Surfer should win because of his speed. But Thor has a few speed feats (good ones, to counter-act the bad) as well.
And Thor has the only head-2-head victory.
So meh. If Surfer uses his speed advantage, he wins almost every time. If he doesn't, Thor can absorb his blasts and will beat him down.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
By all rights Surfer should win because of his speed. But Thor has a few speed feats (good ones, to counter-act the bad) as well.And Thor has the only head-2-head victory.
So meh. If Surfer uses his speed advantage, he wins almost every time. If he doesn't, Thor can absorb his blasts and will beat him down.
Blasts? This is hand to hand. 😉.
Also, Thor's best speed feats are comparable to street levellers, or seem hyperbolic in nature.
Doing something 'in the blink of an eye' is something that every street leveller out there has done. Running across new york in a heart beat seems hyperbolic.
Might as well say that Captain America can move at light speeds since I have a scan that says "Faster than light, Cap reacts..."
😬.
His feats are too few and far between. Not to mention in intensities FAR less impressive than the Surfers.
And what about the rest of my points?
I notice that you tend not to debate very often. It seems as if you usually go into a thread, post your opinion, and leave it be after that - whether someone attempts to refute you or not. Besides the Tourney, I rarely see you debate. I'm not sure if you just don't have time, or if it's some sort of moderator graciousness, or what.
😬.
Originally posted by SoljerI left that out for a reason... but now, no.
Is the Surfer allowed to amp his strength with the power cosmic?If so, I believe the Surfers superior durability, and reflexes, tied in with comparable strength (post-amping) would net him the win against superior skills.
Originally posted by PriestAlready adressed that. Punches, knees, and elbows...
h2h, thor wins.
http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorbeatdown1bw.jpg
How about I name off just one good strength feat for now...
punching a huge chunk of Super Skrull's face off with a punch.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
What are Surfer's combat speed feats?
Surfer can analyze situations from across the Universe in Super speeds,analyzing Thor's movements and predicting his next move should be child's play.
