Originally posted by DigiMark007
My best wishes to your mom goober, and I'd extend the same request to the judges to hold off until the end (if we have judges yet, that is).
Back to work....
Post #4 - Space Phantom/Thor
Basically just a recap.
Soul link = shared experience.
Power cosmic transfer = Warlock/Surfer & Thor/Firelord combined powersets.
Space Phantom becomes Sentry.
Anti-metal covered surfboards for everyone = any metallic people on their team (and there are at least 2) being pwned
Sentry >> Absorbing Man:
Thor/Firelord >> Despero:
Sentry could probably produce enough heat to fry Despero as well.
Super Adaptoid = owned by anti-metal.
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That covers pretty much everything.
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There's really no way for our team to lose to these guys.
Ok folks sorry for the delay(again), but here we go...
There are some things that need to be cleared up about our team.
1. I don’t know where we got our wires crossed, but there seems to be a misunderstanding about Super Adaptoid’s abilities. He’s not limited to using one POWER at a time, it’s using the powers from more than one of his character templates at a time(and even then it‘s not certain that he‘ll short out). However, in this case he’s still only one character’s template(improved version of Despero), it’s just that he happens to have a large power set available to him. Expanded power set’s don’t really qualify as a cause for a short circuit on his part, because he’s copied the likes of Mar-Vell with the Nega Bands and Thor with Mjolnir, both of whom have a different power set than their items(since the items are included in the individual character template Super Adaptoid suffers from no ill effects). The only time we had him assume the form of more than one character at a time was during our prep phase, and he wasn’t using any of those powers(the requirement for his short circuiting), he was just standing there letting his team mates absorb.
Super Adaptoid assumes the form of more than one individual(4 in fact)
,but doesn’t short out because he’s not actively using all of their powers at once.
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Again(5 this time)
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Dealing with a single ultra powerful character template(more powerful than the one he’s using for this match) without no difficulty
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2. As far as our teams ability to become anything they imagine as opposed to things that they‘ve touched/absorbed, there is evidence to support it. Like when EX AM took on the properties of a math equation in order to beat Wanda(seriously, what would he have absorbed those properties from). Or when he replaced all missing vibranium from Earth X to save the planet from destruction(he’d never done that, which is why Loki had to explain why it was possible for him to do so).
Saving planet by becoming Earth X’s missing supply of vibranium
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And it seems that Loki, having created the potion that gave EX AM his powers in the first place and having years to reflect on what he’d done, is about the most creditable source for detailed info on EX AM’s true abilities. So once again, here’s Loki giving EX AM an explanation of his true powers…
*Note* I know that EX AM is bigbran’s character, but since the argument against our team being able to assume any form they can imagine at will applies to ALL of our characters(since they‘re all assuming other forms), I think I should point stuff like that out. If I’m wrong, though, tell me and I’ll stop.
3. Despero may have had a weakness to fire at one point (and acquired it back since), but that’s irrelevant because he’s taken a form with no such weakness(in fact he‘s immune), and has some impressive pyrokinetic feats of his own.
Despero at the Flame of Py'tar
Despero creating another Flame
Despero showing off some pyro effects and immunity to fire
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As far as the proposed tactic of transmutation of our team(since they're all “Absorbing Men” now), I don’t see how that's really viable here. Direct matter transmutation on the opposing team is a banned manuver for the battle, and it would be a waste of time. Turning AM into helium might have been a threat back in the day, but now he does that kind of thing voluntarily for transportation so we should be fine.
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Holes in Digi/Scoobs prep (no offense is intended towards Digi or Scoob)
For Digi/Scoobs opening strategy to work, the soul link would have to actually give the participants knowledge of all other's memories, powers, experience, skills, etc. It’s a must for them. Without all of that info most of their prep can’t be accomplished. Warlock HAS to get every bit of knowledge Surfer has about his powers in order to perform most of his contributions to their prep time(giving Space Phantom full knowledge of Surfer’s powers so that he can transfer them, creating boards for his team mates, instructing Thor on how to use Firelord’s powers effectively(and that’s even working under the assumption that Firelord=Surfer in power), creation of the Anti Metal, and whatever else it was they had him do). Without the soul link working as Digi described, they won’t have ANY of that stuff for the match, because no one will have access to the knowledge necessary to accomplish feats with that level of complexity. There’s just not enough time to learn those things by trial and error over the course of 20 minutes.
But the problem is, there’s still no proof that the sould linke works at that level of effectiveness. The closest thing to proof that’s been provided are the statements "I didn't realize the things you've seen…” and "Now you know all that is Adam Warlock.", "And you Norrin Radd.” which are both more than a little vague. Let me take everyone through what it would mean if the soul link was as powerful as it is currently being portrayed to be by our worthy opponents…
Unless I’m mistaken , the order in which Warlock soul linked with people during the IG was Dr.Strange, then Thor(Eric Masterson), then Surfer. So if Warlock got ALL of Strange’s knowledge, knowledge of Strange’s abilities, and skills then that means that Warlock would then be able to use any of those things with the same level of skill as Strange. However, since Warlock then went on to soul link with Eric and Surfer, it would also mean that THEY received those same abilities/skills, so
all 4 of them would be roughly equal in terms of sorcery. But when have any of them actually demonstrated that type of ability?
Was it when Eric wanted Strange’s help with Mephisto(even though he has all the combined magic/knowledge of Warlock and Strange)? And yes, this does in fact take place AFTER the Soul Link(which means that Eric SHOULD have all of that knowledge).
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Let’s see…“Right! YOUR mystic ways” and “I’m in serious trouble with the supernatural” certainly give off the impression of being on Strange’s level of skill at sorcery.
Or when Eric finally gets to Hades, let’s take a look at how he reacts...
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It looked to me like Eric was more than a little uneasy during his time there, don’t you think?In fact, his statements bout being scared stupid and the fact that he was surprised that the device Strange gave him actually worked seem to give a definite indication that he has NONE of Strange’s experiences.
And during the Infinity War, who was it that Big G wanted to help with the problems he was having tracking down the Magus? Was it Surfer(who should have technically been equal to Strange in sorcery, but would have the added bonus of having the Power Cosmic at his disposal)? Let’s see…
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Nope. I guess that Galactus must consider Strange to be superior to Surfer in that aspect, I wonder why?
Finally, let’s see what happens to these 2 guys with all of Stranges knowledge/spells/blah blah… show up at his house uninvited
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So it seems that even though Warlock might be able to control Surfer’s board mentally because of their Soul Link(which seems like it would be fairly easy to accomplish, since it’s just a matter of willing the thing to go), that doesn’t really indicate that he has anywhere near the total experiences of Surfer(or anyone else for that matter) at his beck and call.
Continued on next post...
Continued...
Warlock being undetectable
1. The closest thing to an explanation as to Warlock being undetected is he was standing outside the realm of Order and Chaos. What does that mean? Does anyone even know what the realm of Order and Chaos is? It’s the universe of magic where Lord Order and Master Chaos reside….
(Big G in the realm of Order and Chaos…)
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So what did Strange and Warlock mean exactly, cause technically just about everyone stands outside the Realm of Order and Chaos, because most characters don’t use magic. Or did they mean he used magic to accomplish it? Or did they mean that he’s unaffected by fate/destiny because his absorbing the Soul of his future self altered his set destiny.? As I stated in an earlier post, I’m not flat out denying Adam has an ability similar to what he’s been attributed to having in this thread, I’m just saying that there’s not enough evidence to prove it conclusively. In fact, here are some examples as to why I consider
this feat questionable…
1. The Magus(during the Infinity War) and the Goddess are both aspects of Warlock’s personality, right? That means they share his status of “Existing Outside of Reality”. Order and Chaos even confirm this.
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“The foe he faces is as unpredictable as himself, for it is himself”. So if they’re both “Undetectable” by anyone up to(and including) the IG, then why did she have to create Paradise Omega? She already HAD the cosmic cubes, and no one knew anything about her until she started causing trouble, so why didn’t she just set up shop in secret to unlock the Cosmic Egg’s true power. Why did she have to create a planet and gather an army of heroes to protect her?
Also, why would the Magus need the C.C. to keep his existence a secret?
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Like the Goddess, he should possess Warlock’s (supposed) ability to remain undetected by anyone up to and including a wielder of the IG without the cubes, because the IG is WAY more powerful than the cubes normally are. But what does Magus say in the first panel? “A massive amount of the cosmic containment units’ power was channeled to insure my anonymity”.
2. And as for someone with Mar-Vell like awareness being able to detect someone like Warlock…
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As soon as Genis actively used his awareness to see what was up he saw through the effect(and since Magus shares in Warlocks universal status, that means that Genis would have no trouble with him either. Mar-Vell’s awareness was used to scan for our opponents as soon as our prep time was over(so it would have detected Warlock and the rest right off).
This is actually Mar-Vell and Warlock right after Warlock’s big fight with the Magus. Notice that he still sensed things from Warlock AFTER Warlock severed his ties with fate/destiny via soul absorption on his future self.
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He saw, heard, and FELT what happened, and he didn’t even put any actual effort into doing so(this made evident by the fact that his face didn’t go all cosmic looking during the occurrence).
3. Another instance of his being completely outside of the universe(and thus immune to detection) is called into question…
(Has future told with pretty much perfect accuracy, right after he supposedly gained immunity to Fate/Destiny)-
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Now, when you look at all the different factors that have to line up perfectly in order for our opponents strategy to work in relation to the amount of evidence that has been provided to support those claims, you’ll most likely come to the same conclusion that I have about it: that their strategy is simply to much of a stretch to be considered reasonable.
But now just for fun, let’s pretend some of the stuff that is still unproven worked for some crazy reason. Now I’m in no way conceding that the other team is capable of most of the stuff they attempted during their prep, this is pretty much a “What If” scenerio, in the event that some of the judges might actually accept what little evidence they have managed to provide.
So what would happen then? Well let’s see…
EX AM vs. Adam Warlock=bigbrans fight to address so I’ll leave it for him to address when he’s on later(even tough at this point ALL of our characters are EX AM).
Super Adaptoid(improved Despero) vs. Space Phantom(Sentry)
The Anti Metal while theoretically dangerous to SA because he is a robot, poses very little threat in SA current form. Why you ask? Well because the Nega Bands in possession of SA should be more than capable of blocking any vibrational waves that would be emitted by the Anti Metal. Don’t think the Nega Bands are capable of such a feat?
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The Nega Bands where blocking all attempts to work on Mar-Vell’s body. It specifically listed both radiation and spells as prior attempts, and considering the gathered brain power present I’d say that it’s reasonable to assume that the anti metal waves will be blocked also. (Think about it, the Nega Bands actually managed to thwart both Dr. Strange AND Reed Richards when both of them had prep. Now THAT’S power.)
And even if for some reason the power of the Nega Bands proved to be insufficient as a defense, we still have plenty of other options. You see, Despero had EX AM’s abilities when Super Adaptoid created a template for him this round, so all that would be necessary to defend against it would be a transformation on his part to ensure that the Anti Metal wouldn’t be a threat to him anymore. And he shouldn’t really need to take any extra defensive measures in the first place(unless he feels particularly quirky), considering the fact that SA has shown the ability to function even in a liquified state…
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And while Scoobs tried to make it seem as if Super Adaptoid was short in his fighting ability, that’s in no way accurate in this match. You have to remember, that Super Adaptoid is currently able to use the fighting skills of Mar-Vell which will prove to be very valuable in this particular situation. Mar-Vell as a class 15 was able to stand up to 100+ characters, so imagine the combat effectiveness of someone with the combined strength of Despero and the Nega Bands and the combat skills of Mar-Vell…
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The best Sentry can really hope for here is a stalemate, just for the simple reason that he lacks what it takes to put down this particular version of Super Adaptoid. Their speed is equal(light speed), but Super Adaptoid has Mar-Vell’s skills at his disposal which means that Sentry won’t be landing much in the way of hits. Strength/Durability is debatable, depending of how much hyperbole your willing to buy into for Sentry. And when you take into consideration the fact that Super Adaptoid got the jump on Sentry by teleporting in behind him and attacking him from behind, it’s VERY likely to be able to take Sentry out. Sentry’s only real chance on the other hand, would be SA doing something dumb like trying to absorb all of Sentry’s power(which he’s not going to do). (Besides Super Adaptoid could change into Iron Man if he really wanted to take Sentry out 😛 )
Despero vs. Thor
Well I’ve already shown that THIS particular Despero has nothing to worry about when it comes to fire, so the damage you where counting on his powers to cause is pretty much moot. And while Thor may be able to handle the 616 Absorbing Man with a high success rate, he’s now facing Despero(the guy who kicks ass on the JLA solo) with an even more powerful version of AM than he is used to fighting, and who has the skill of Mar-Vell and the added power from the Nega Bands pretty much seals the deal in his favor. Since it turns out that you guys never had Stardust available during prep, it means that you won’t have access to that 100x blast that you had counted on. And since Thor(like the rest of his team) where attacked from behind via teleportation right off the bat, and Thor is at a significant strength disadvantage(don’t get me wrong, I love Thor, but Despero is powerful enough to manhandle the JLA without all of the upgrades we’ve given him for this match), it should be fairly easy to overpower Thor long enough to lay get a hold of that precious hammer of his(at which point, Despero would release any excess energy that would cause him to overload). With the added power/diversity of Mjolnir added to hjis arsenal, I see him taking down Thor with pitiful ease, and then moving on to aid Super Adaptoid.
(bigbran should actually be doing fine against Warlock, despite what seems to be a significant disadvantage at first glance, but I’ll let him cover that when he gets here later.)
Sorry again about the delay, today has been a little wild at my house, and I couldn't manage to steal enough time for myself to finish all of this until now.
Digi Post #6
Characters: Warlock and Thor
Originally posted by darthgoober
1. I don’t know where we got our wires crossed, but there seems to be a misunderstanding about Super Adaptoid’s abilities. He’s not limited to using one POWER at a time, it’s using the powers from more than one of his character templates at a time(and even then it‘s not certain that he‘ll short out).
We never argued that he couldn't "hold" more than 1 at a time. It's the use of them. And if you're only using one power a at a time, Adaptoid's screwed. Hell, we wouldn't even need our power sharing....even though we have it ( 😉 ).
So yeah, you'll need lots of simultaneous powers to hang with us. And he can't.
Oh, and he's still doing stuff with metal (and is he made of metal parts?). Either way, anti-metal boards = a quick death for Adaptoid.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Super Adaptoid assumes the form of more than one individual(4 in fact)
,but doesn’t short out because he’s not actively using all of their powers at once.
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My point exactly. He's only using 1....it doesn't matter how many he can hold if you can't use them in conjunction with one another.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And it seems that Loki, having created the potion that gave EX AM his powers in the first place and having years to reflect on what he’d done, is about the most creditable source for detailed info on EX AM’s true abilities. So once again, here’s Loki giving EX AM an explanation of his true powers…
Once again, all you have is Loki's explanation. All of Asgard didn't understand when Loki tried to tell them the same thing. So why would Creel?
Also, there's never a fight where Creel displays this supposed power. You have no proof that he'll have any idea what he's doing.
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And yeah, EXAM is bran's character but it's fine. That was more clarification stuff (or lack thereof 😛 ). I've talked about SP once or twice too to clear stuff up.
Originally posted by darthgoober
3. Despero may have had a weakness to fire at one point (and acquired it back since), but that’s irrelevant...
...because? We've shown his weakness, and we have Firelord's power exploting that weakness.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Despero at the Flame of Py'tar...
The Flame of Pytar is what gave him his power. That's like saying a GL isn't vulnerable to energy blasts because he can chill in the OA central battery. It's a false comparison, because it's not the regular flame-damage we're talking about.
Originally posted by darthgoober
As far as the proposed tactic of transmutation of our team(since they're all “Absorbing Men” now), I don’t see how that's really viable here. Direct matter transmutation on the opposing team is a banned manuver for the battle, and it would be a waste of time.
Two things:
1. Anti-metal will deal with EXAM (or Sentry, but that's Scoob's territory).
2. And no, it's not banned, given the nature of AM's powers it's completely acceptable. Matter transmutation is his power...it's simply all internally based. Just think of it as us turning his power against him. Besides, I already ran it by BD...it's not viable for anyone else, but it is for EXAM because of this reason.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Holes in Digi/Scoobs prep (no offense is intended towards Digi or Scoob)
No offense taken. 🙂
But are we really doing this again? What I don't get to here, I'm sure I answered on page 1...judges, please refer to that as well.
Originally posted by darthgoober
For Digi/Scoobs opening strategy to work, the soul link would have to actually give the participants knowledge of all other's memories, powers, experience, skills, etc.
Fortunately for us, it does.
Look, Warlock has explained it as completely opening up yourself to the other person...it leaves no room for doubt. Goober is grasping at straws because their plan isn't good enough to beat us otherwise. That's it.
Examples:
- Surfer has said that Warlock knows "All" there is to know about him.
- I've recounted instances where Warlock knows about Strange's powers (in the IG arc) without any prior knowledge of them (like the ability to teleport them and the ability to block the affects of the IG temporarily).
- He has displayed the ability to control Surfer's board, and said that it was because of their soul-link.
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Goober ran off a laundry list of questionable instances where he thinks something should have come up about the soul link. Most of those are invalid for a few reasons:
- Most of the stuff Strange does, he needs his various artifacts and talismans to accomplish. Saying that Warlock, or anyone else, should = Strange is simply false.
- He's also asking every writer throughout many years to think of all of this stuff. Just because a character doesn't say, "Ah, because of this soul link 7 years ago that Starlin wrote, we can have Masterson do this, and then meld with Surfer for....blah blah, etc." Half the time, we as readers think of better ways to use the characters than the writers.
How often has Thor just been written as a brawler, when he obviously has other powers? Goober's asking you to believe that every tiem Thor makes an appearence a writer will consider his vast time/matter manip skills, along with everything else he's ever done.
It doesn't work like that.
I showed proof in the scans. Then I provided further examples. It's all legit.
Now on to another matter...
Invisibility/Undetectible:
- Goober cites Magus and Goddess, but even though they were a part of Warlock, they're seperate entities....it's using someone else's showings to debate against another. It doesn't make sense.
- I would think that the use of multiple cosmic cubes could be detected...The Goddess wasn't simply standing, as Warlock was...she was manipulating vast amounts of energy. Saying she should have been able to simply make herself invisible while doing this is also completely false.
- Most of the incidents he shows have some flaw with them...those reasons cover most of them, so I won't go through each scan individually.
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Examples:
-Warlock was undetectable to a wielder of the IG, who proceeded to beat abstract entities a few pages later.
- Order and Chaos could not perceive Warlock's future. And all cosmic awareness is, is a heightened sense of pre-cog. Warlock is beyond Marvel's conventional reality. Cosmic Awareness won't mean jack next to him.
Once again, I showed the scans, and provided examples. All they have is speculation and vague showings that are, at best, loosely related to my point.
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We still have much more power from our power mesh. Unless you believe their random stabs at discrediting us, which we've shot down one by one, I can't see any reason why we lose this fight.
Post #5 - Space Phantom/Thor
Originally posted by darthgoober
Super Adaptoid(improved Despero) vs. Space Phantom(Sentry)
The Anti Metal while theoretically dangerous to SA because he is a robot
Adaptoid never once showed any level of competence with the Nega bands .... in fact he only copied them for 2 or 3 panels before he was pwned and he's never used them since.
Regardless of his form/powers, he is still a robot .... The Nega bands do not stop every form of energy from getting through to the wearer or else every wearer of them would be blind, deaf and frozen.
They only stop radiation that is harmful to humanoids - as anti-metal is completely harmless to humans, Kree and everyone in-between, there's no reason for them to block what is essentially just a series of vibrations.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And while Scoobs tried to make it seem as if Super Adaptoid was short in his fighting ability, that’s in no way accurate in this match.
Of course it is, SA is always less skillful than the people he copies and that is a fact.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The best Sentry can really hope for here is a stalemate, just for the simple reason that he lacks what it takes to put down this particular version of Super Adaptoid. Their speed is equal(light speed), but Super Adaptoid has Mar-Vell’s skills at his disposal
So does he have Despero's powers or Mar-Vell's? because you can only be using one of them at a time and you can't use Mar-Vell's abilities/skills while using another persons powers.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Strength/Durability is debatable, depending of how much hyperbole your willing to buy into for Sentry.
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It's not hyperbole when you can take down a herald without any effort.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Despero vs. Thor
Well I’ve already shown that THIS particular Despero has nothing to worry about when it comes to fire
No, as Digi stated, you showed that, bizarrely enough, the source of his powers doesn't kill him.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
while Thor may be able to handle the 616 Absorbing Man with a high success rate, he’s now facing Despero
Thor has the full power of a herald stacked on top of his own ... A herald who can generate more power than any star, who can destroy worlds with a single blast and who can use the cosmos to boost his already incredible strength/durability to unknown levels.
As for energy projection, Despero can't even blast through simple GL bubbles:
Or even Booster Gold's force field:
Booster Gold ... not exactly a guy anyone would accuse of being on the same level as even the lowliest of Heralds.
Despero IS weak against heat based attacks ... even someone as weak as Fire can hurt him .... Firelord (or someone with his powers) would incinerate him:
Originally posted by darthgoober
Since it turns out that you guys never had Stardust available during prep, it means that you won’t have access to that 100x blast that you had counted on.
Digi already explained why Warlock would know about Stardust ... but even if he didn't, we could use any character's power to load up Mjolnir .. it's not like they'd stand around for 20 minutes struggling to think of a single powerful energy user.
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As we're nearing the end I might as well throw out these other little "feats" of Despero's.
The guy can't even outfight Aquaman:
He cannot expect to go up against a massively powered up Norse God/warrior who has thousands of years of battle experience when he can't connect with fish-boy
And tear gas brings him to his knees:
Seems like when the air around him is suddenly heated a few million degrees it would have a far greater effect on the big pink moron.
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Post #6 - Space Phantom/Thor (Final Post)
Well, Digi and I have backed up every aspect of our prep/battle plan with some pretty decent scannage.
Bran/Goober's prep had half their team becoming metallic while our guys armed themselves with metal dissolving weapons.
We enhanced our strengths, patched over our flaws and exploited our enemies weaknesses.
Nothing left to say except good luck to everyone involved and to say thanks to the judges as I'm sure they have carefully read through every single post made here.
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Originally posted by Scoobless
[b]Post #3 - Space Phantom/ThorOur guys punch your guys hard .... wicked hard! ... IN THE FACE!!!
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your guys start crying and run home to tell their mommas.
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Had to be reposted.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007Digi I'm sorry but I think you have things mixed up about the Super Adaptoid's powers. He's limited by his number of characters not his number of powers.
Digi Post #6Characters: Warlock and Thor
We never argued that he couldn't "hold" more than 1 at a time. It's the use of them. And if you're only using one power a at a time, Adaptoid's screwed. Hell, we wouldn't even need our power sharing....even though we have it ( 😉 ).
So yeah, you'll need lots of simultaneous powers to hang with us. And he can't.
Oh, and he's still doing stuff with metal (and is he made of metal parts?). Either way, anti-metal boards = a quick death for Adaptoid.
My point exactly. He's only using 1....it doesn't matter how many he can hold if you can't use them in conjunction with one another.
Here he is using Spiderman's agility, jumping, AND webs simaltaniously.
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Here he is using simaltanious flight AND energy blast(from Ironman I'm assuming).
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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Once again, all you have is Loki's explanation. All of Asgard didn't understand when Loki tried to tell them the same thing. So why would Creel?Also, there's never a fight where Creel displays this supposed power. You have no proof that he'll have any idea what he's doing.]
Originally posted by DigiMark007
[B]...because? We've shown his weakness, and we have Firelord's power exploting that weakness..
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Two things:
1. Anti-metal will deal with EXAM (or Sentry, but that's Scoob's territory).
2. And no, it's not banned, given the nature of AM's powers it's completely acceptable. Matter transmutation is his power...it's simply all internally based. Just think of it as us turning his power against him. Besides, I already ran it by BD...it's not viable for anyone else, but it is for EXAM because of this
Originally posted by DigiMark007
No offense taken. 🙂But are we really doing this again? What I don't get to here, I'm sure I answered on page 1...judges, please refer to that as well.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Invisibility/Undetectible:
- Goober cites Magus and Goddess, but even though they were a part of Warlock, they're seperate entities....it's using someone else's showings to debate against another. It doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Once again, I showed the scans, and provided examples. All they have is speculation and vague showings that are, at best, loosely related to my point.
Originally posted by Scoobless
[b]Post #5 - Space Phantom/ThorAdaptoid never once showed any level of competence with the Nega bands .... in fact he only copied them for 2 or 3 panels before he was pwned and he's never used them since.[/B]
Originally posted by Scoobless
[b]Post #5 - Space Phantom/ThorRegardless of his form/powers, he is still a robot .... The Nega bands do not stop every form of energy from getting through to the wearer or else every wearer of them would be blind, deaf and frozen. [/B]
In regards to the rest...
Despero has been amped up to an unbelievable level(and has an abundance of energy manipulation/absorbtion powers), and is not going to go down to Thor(who if you want to talk about low showings, has a hard time with Mongoose, and knocked out by a bullet).
Super Adaptoid will be copying the powers of the ENHACED Despero. That means that he'll also begetting the powers of the Nega Bands, EX AM, etc. But since it's still only a singe powerful form, he won't short circut.
Again, him copying an evolved cosmic cube...
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6651/cubewz4.jpg
Warlock has retained almost none of the knowldge he possessed when he had the IG, and assuming that he'll remember Stardust is absurd.
And I have a question regarding Sentry/Thor. Wasn't Thor under the effects of some kind of mental effect that blocked Sentry from his memory when he was last seen at a level that was below Skyfather(I thought I had heard that somewhere, but I may be mistaken)? Cause if so, that means that Sentry wouldn't even be present and Super Adaptoid would just be fighting Space Phantom which=death to Phantom.
And ANY of our characters can assume any nuber of forms to deal with the Anti Metal.
Thanks everyone for a good match.
Well, in lieu of BD, I'm going to say "match over". Anything after this that pertains to the battle, I'll edit out...because I have a few minutes after midnight right now.
Good match boys. And good luck to the judges...it was slower-paced than our match last week, so at least there isn't as much to read through.
🙂
Originally posted by Scoobless
Did you deliberately wait until the last second to post that so that we wouldn't be able to respond in time? ... seems pretty cheap.😬
...meh. It's a viable tactic, given the rules of the battle. I don't remember anyone doing it in a match, but they've done it with last-second draft pick changes and such. Just browsing over it, it doesn't look like there's much we didn't respond to at some point anyway....so regardless of who gets the last post, I think the judges will be able to see our thoughts on everything.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Did you deliberately wait until the last second to post that so that we wouldn't be able to respond in time? ... seems pretty cheap.😬
Its gona take a while for me to compute.
One thing though, I belive Digi was correct in assumeing that Adam Warlock could successfully step outside of reality
one thing ide like to bring up
“The foe he faces is as unpredictable as himself, for it is himself”. So if they’re both “Undetectable” by anyone up to(and including) the IG, then why did she have to create Paradise Omega? She already HAD the cosmic cubes, and no one knew anything about her until she started causing trouble, so why didn’t she just set up shop in secret to unlock the Cosmic Egg’s true power. Why did she have to create a planet and gather an army of heroes to protect her?
This would make sense except for the fact that she was using the powers of the C.C
to make an analigy (which im horrible at)
if we lived in a more mythical society
it would be akin to someone being completely invisible, but holdeing a weapon (which would share no properties of invisibility with them, or at the minimum, the effect of fireing the gun would not share invisibility)
clearly, you are going to see a gun floating in mid air that someone is anonymously fireing
if that makes any sense.
Alone, she should have been able to do without paradise, but she was useing the cube, and thats quite a noisy instrument
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thanks for the input Extra, and I'd agree, though I'd ask future comments to be kept to a minimum....only because I want to be fair to bran/goober.🙂
Oh okay, bat told me to post my conclusion jhere? im still not completely sure where he wanted me to cast my vote since the poll is closed? but im ready to vote, anyways, ill clear it up with him. BTW its over right?
