spetznaz
Senior Fanboy Killer
Originally posted by Newjak
While I do agree he won't be the fastest Juggernaut could conquer the entire world if he wanted. First off his strength is enough to cause Earthquakes and Massive Damage to cities. The fear alone of him coming to your town would probably be enough to make most people stay put. Simply because unlike American Soldiers Cain cann;t be stopped or killed has no qualms about really getting his point across by oblietrating entire towns and he doesn't need to eat sleep or drink.While ti would probably take him years to do so Cai ncould get the entire frces of Earth behind him just through sheer fear of opposing him. And with no way to stop him after so many rebelions have have been destroyed by Cain and any forces he could get no one would oppose. Him same thign Superman Rebellions could always break out against him.
Plus with flgith travel it wouldn't take long for Cain to get from one corner of the world to another to quell an uprising.
I actually agree with you, but to a certain extent.
Cain would manage to change the rubric of the world. He would even be able to take over whole continents. As you said, the world is rife with people who managed to take over countries through force of will, fear and ruthlessness (the Pol Pots, Idi Amins, Stalins and Atillas of the world).
HOWEVER, the thread asked which character could take over the world the easiest.
There are two parts to that question ......the main one is who would take over the world the easiest, but there is a sub-question (which is taken as an assumption) .....can the character take over the world?
Honestly i do not think Cain could take over the world. He would reach a place where he basically hits a (figurative) brick wall.
Let me explain: The Juggernaut is unstoppable. He is unkillable. Once he starts moving forward nothing can stop him (at least nothing our World could come up with). Super strength, invulnerability (true invulnerability), and so on.
The problem is this .....he doesn't have the power set to stop everything everywhere. What he is able to do is totally stop whatever he is currently dealing with, but nothing more.
Now, you made a good point in your post. Armies would stoop before him and he could basically use a conventional military approach (eg he conquers the US and uses the American military to lay waste). Problem is, his opponents wouldn't be facing him ....they'd be facing the US military.
Meaning it can be defeated, or it can be evaded (most likely the latter).
Alright, at this point Cain could simply tell the military to nuke areas that he is finding difficult to bring under his heel. Thus a nuke is lobbed and the problem is no more. However Cain would find himself lobbing nukes everywhere.
Furthermore there would be enclaves that would have nuclear weapons of their own. For instance there was this interesting war-gaming (as in military computer simulation, not a 'playstation game'😉 scenario that had the state of California and Texas breaking away from the rest of the United States. The interesting thing is that those two states had advanced weapons and thus the fracas that broke out had the remaining US states (with Raptors and M1A2 Abrams and Aegis ships) attacking California and Texas (who also had Raptors, and Abrams, and ships).
Now, in the Cain situation there would be a Confederacy of States that would rise up against him, and this confederacy would have access to formidable weapons of their own (since there is no way the entire armed forces and Governments of the world would lay down arms before Cain). Now, these weapons would be totally useless against Cain, BUT they would work wonderfully against his troops!
Thus, Cain nukes Central China to take out some opposition and the Confederacy nukes his center of power in Washington DC.
Cain nukes Lagos to take out some African opposition, and the Confederacy nukes his seat of power in London.
So on and so forth.
It would basically degenerate quickly into a nuclear conflagration .....no different from what would have happened had the former Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact gone to war against the United States/NATO.
Cain would have VERY LITTLE significance in such an event. While he may not be able to be destroyed, he would have little impact once things went nuclear. All that would happen is that his forces would have a leader that cannot be killed! That is it.
And whoever won the nuclear exchange would inherit a dead/dying world.
NOW, compare this with Superman.
Superman could simply fly into the troposphere, scan the Earth using his various visions (eg telescopic, x-ray, microvision), use his super-hearing to detect the hydronomic noise caused by the flow of water over the hull of a ballistic-missile nuclear submarine, and then within seconds DESTROY ALL of the submarines in the world!
Done.
Then he would locate all nuclear missile silos, and in a couple more minutes those are over (and anyways, even if they were to try and hide them by placing them behind lead, that would actually make it EASIER for Superman to know where they are! All he needs to do is look for things he CANNOT SEE. If he sees an area that is clouded to his vision, that means a target! In a silver age comic he once used this technique to find a hidden lair used by Luthor that had been lined with lead .....he simply looked for what he couldn't see).
If an uprising popped up in Nairobi, and another in Addis Ababa, and another in Turin, and yet another in Sidney, one more in Taipei, and several dozen more in South American cities .....Superman could destroy all opposition in less than 10 minutes!
Easily.
To be honest 10 minutes is a lot of time .....if he really pushed his speed he could do it in far less (the problem with that would be that his movement would devastate everything in his path ....since, unlike the Flash, he doesn't have the Speed Force to negate the effects of physics).
Superman also wouldn't need to use conventional military doctrine ...eg, he wouldn't need armies. Neither would he need nukes.
By himself he could take over the world, and within a week all opposition would be effectively destroyed (once people realized that even a whispered conversation could be overheard, the loading of bullets into magazines noticed, the air turbulence caused by the movement of a plane through air noticed ......and that all of that would be met by a quick - very quick- death, then opposition would grind to a halt very quickly. Very!)
This is why i said that while Cain has the power, he lacks the efficacy to bring it to bear in a manner similar to that of Superman.
Could Cain conquer the world? Yes, but it would be no different from what Hitler could do if he had been invulnerable and super-strong.
Superman (and Flash, Thor-if written by a writer who knows that Mjolnir is not a baseball bat- and Green Lantern - written by a writer that knows an Oan power ring does more than simply shoot green blasts) would be at god levels in comparison.
gods among men.
Cain, on the other hand, would simply be a man that cannot be killed and has amazing strength. While that may seem impressive, it has significant flaws inherent within it.