Reed(UN) vs Roma(CN)

Originally posted by Utrigita
Strange wasn't talking out of his ass but about the UN and he was only thinking to know and think are two opposite ideas,

Actually Strange Knew,

because the last remnants of Eternity's Spirit appeared,

and asked Strange NOT to revive the Universe.

Originally posted by Utrigita
you can speculate that the CN are capable of remaking a universe ore multiverse, but don't forget that the CN are working in a another way then the UN the UN uses it owns energy to destroy something, now the CN uses the crystal containing the life force of a certain universe the 258 for instance to have it destroyed. Now how are we going to make a universe again when we have just vaporized the crystal.

You have an good and interesting point there.

Merlin had to fuse the Life-Force of the Omniverse within the Crystals.

hmm ... I have to turn some pages. (I'll be back on the matter)

Originally posted by Utrigita
How do you know that remnants are left after a blast from the UN, scans ore Bio you have just maked a long point in abraxas thread about that nullifying is complete destruction of a universe then how can anything be left.

The Dr Strange, Silver Surfer and Phoenix of this Universe were spared Nullification.

When Strange returns to the Universe that was erased,

he finds the UN as the culprit:

They were expelled from that Universe before it's demise.

It was the Universe Kovac's ruled.

This is were Strange figured how to Re-Create the Universe with the UN,

as you can see, the essence of Eternity emerges:

"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"

Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep this way:

This Universe was Nullified by the UN,

and Eternity's Spirit is still lingering around.

swank

Originally posted by Utrigita
Nothing was left after Reed pulled the trigger.

glue perhaps

dontgetit

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Strange Knew,

because the last remnants of Eternity's Spirit appeared,

and asked Strange NOT to revive the Universe.

You have an good and interesting point there.

Merlin had to fuse the Life-Force of the Omniverse within the Crystals.

hmm ... I have to turn some pages. (I'll be back on the matter)

The Dr Strange, Silver Surfer and Phoenix of this Universe were spared Nullification.

When Strange returns to the Universe that was erased,

he finds the UN as the culprit:

They were expelled from that Universe before it's demise.

It was the Universe Kovac's ruled.

This is were Strange figured how to Re-Create the Universe with the UN,

as you can see, the essence of Eternity emerges:

"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"

Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep this way:

This Universe was Nullified by the UN,

and Eternity's Spirit is still lingering around.

swank

dontgetit

But before Eternity arrived strange didn't know only speculated 😎

Thanks

Phoenix strange and SS was spared because off them beinging shout out of the universe hence they survived, they didn't survive the nullification.

Was multieternity destroyed ??? I mean after all you say that when a M-body is used and is destroyed then the concept disappereas like when Thanos used the UN on death death disappereared. (ore was it nvr saying that 😕 )

Got it a little messed up it was supposed to be right after the use of the CN nullifing a universe and then how to nullifi a universe when the crystal that was used was just broken then i suggested fixing it with glue 😛

Originally posted by Utrigita
But before Eternity arrived strange didn't know only speculated

Thanks

And?

He was right, PROVEN when Eternity appeared, that was my point.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Phoenix strange and SS was spared because off them beinging shout out of the universe hence they survived, they didn't survive the nullification.

hum

Again, and?

Who said they survived Nullification?

Originally posted by Mr Master
They were expelled from that Universe before it's demise.

It was the Universe Kovac's ruled.

Pay attention to our debate please. 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
Was multieternity destroyed ??? I mean after all you say that when a M-body is used and is destroyed then the concept disappereas like when Thanos used the UN on death death disappereared.

Multi-Eternity?
M-body?
Thanos and Death?

I think I understand.

btw. The Concepts do disappear, but evidently the Temporal Spirit remains.

The CN leaves nothing behind.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Got it a little messed up it was supposed to be right after the use of the CN nullifing a universe and then how to nullifi a universe when the crystal that was used was just broken then i suggested fixing it with glue

😆

That's actually funny, nice.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And?

He was right, PROVEN when Eternity appeared, that was my point.

Thanks.

hum

Again, and?

Who said they survived Nullification?

Pay attention to our debate please. 🙂

Multi-Eternity?
M-body?
Thanos and Death?

I think I understand.

btw. The Concepts do disappear, but evidently the Temporal Spirit remains.

The CN leaves nothing behind.

😆

That's actually funny, nice.

Okay get you point

Mr Master:The Dr Strange, Silver Surfer and Phoenix of this Universe were spared Nullification.: but okay my mistake

it just makes it sounds as if they survived nullification.

I am paying attention don't worry 😄.

Because the CN works in a entirely different way then the UN, the CN is depending on the lifeforce of the universe to work the UN uses its own energy for nullification the CN is also kind of haltet in comparison with the UN, the CN can destroy a universe and thats it then it needs to be reloaded, the UN can destroy without the need of destroying the entire universe. The CN needs lifeforce to destroy a universe then how can it destroy a concept like death which isn't lifeforce but rather the opposite.

By the way did you get the pages turned??? it interest me as well

I question that I forgot to post is how do you know that the CN leaves nothing behind. There is also a show of the UN destroying a universe and leaves nothing behind (will go find the scan)

http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14xo4.jpg

made it

Originally posted by Utrigita
Because the CN works in a entirely different way then the UN, the CN is depending on the lifeforce of the universe to work the UN uses its own energy for nullification

The Crystals contain the life-force of everything that exists,

within every Universe, in the Omniverse ...

the CN breaks these Crystals.

Originally posted by Utrigita
the CN is also kind of haltet in comparison with the UN,

What does "haltet" mean?

Originally posted by Utrigita
the CN can destroy a universe and thats it then it needs to be reloaded,

"reloaded?"

Once the Crystal is destroyed nothing is left behind to "refill" the Crystal.

Originally posted by Utrigita
the UN can destroy without the need of destroying the entire universe.

So the UN is more versatile, that doesn't make it more powerful.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The CN needs lifeforce to destroy a universe then how can it destroy a concept like death which isn't lifeforce but rather the opposite.

Every Concept has a life-force, even Death. 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
By the way did you get the pages turned??? it interest me as well

😕

Originally posted by Utrigita
I question that I forgot to post is how do you know that the CN leaves nothing behind.

Cause Jaspers 616 was killed by Fury in a Universe erased by the CN.

Jaspers had absolutely nothing to Warp, and was left vulnerable.

Originally posted by Utrigita
There is also a show of the UN destroying a universe and leaves nothing behind (will go find the scan)

made it

Here is the UN leaving nothing behind, after being used by Korvac:

Well .... that's what we thought anyway ...

Not exactly though ...

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Crystals contain the life-force of everything that exists,

within every Universe, in the Omniverse ...

the CN breaks these Crystals.

What does "haltet" mean?

"reloaded?"

Once the Crystal is destroyed nothing is left behind to "refill" the Crystal.

So the UN is more versatile, that doesn't make it more powerful.

Every Concept has a life-force, even Death. 🙂

😕

I know it breaks them but it is one shot one kill.

I meant to say "limited" the CN as a hole can only destroy a universe at a time. Sure it can possibly destroy the omniverse but the CN breaks the crystals one at the time.

Yet you need to reload the CN to destroy a new universe the UN can just destroy it instantly after the first blast.

Perhaps not from you point of view but absolutely more handy then the CN 😉

Death has a lifeforce okay 😕

the reference to get the pages turned comes from this.

: Originally posted by Utrigita
you can speculate that the CN are capable of remaking a universe ore multiverse, but don't forget that the CN are working in a another way then the UN the UN uses it owns energy to destroy something, now the CN uses the crystal containing the life force of a certain universe the 258 for instance to have it destroyed. Now how are we going to make a universe again when we have just vaporized the crystal.

:you reply: You have an good and interesting point there.

Merlin had to fuse the Life-Force of the Omniverse within the Crystals.

hmm ... I have to turn some pages. (I'll be back on the matter):

But the question still remains would Jasper had anything to warp if he instead was teleported to a place where the ghost of Eternity lingers around, would he, had something to play with there, considering it was only a spirit (soul) of eternity, vaporized quiet good by the UN, would he'd be able to warp the soul spirit ore whatever we call it???

Sorry don't know how to take it a bit at the time

and again another show of the UN
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14xo4.jpg
Nothing this time is left behind.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I know it breaks them but it is one shot one kill.

That's all you need to win. 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
I meant to say "limited" the CN as a hole can only destroy a universe at a time. Sure it can possibly destroy the omniverse but the CN breaks the crystals one at the time.

Yet you need to reload the CN to destroy a new universe the UN can just destroy it instantly after the first blast.

Who said the CN needs to be reloaded with a New Universe?

I think you're picturing the CN with a limited human perception,

Roma has the power to gather all the Crystals and shatter all of them together.

Roma isn't a human being that can't multi-task on a Uber level.

Roma is divine, she can Stop Time, Rewind Time or Speed up Time.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Perhaps not from you point of view but absolutely more handy then the CN

Again,

please pay attention to our debate:

Originally posted by Mr Master
So the UN is more versatile, that doesn't make it more powerful.

😉

Originally posted by Utrigita
Death has a lifeforce okay

Yep.

Glad to see now you know.

Originally posted by Utrigita
But the question still remains would Jasper had anything to warp if he instead was teleported to a place where the ghost of Eternity lingers around, would he, had something to play with there, considering it was only a spirit (soul) of eternity, vaporized quiet good by the UN, would he'd be able to warp the soul spirit ore whatever we call it???

Well the Spirit of any being.entity is just in another Plane of Reality,

so yes, Jaspers would be able to Warp it, since it's a part of Reality.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry don't know how to take it a bit at the time

I'll show you over a PM.

Originally posted by Utrigita
and again another show of the UN
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14xo4.jpg
Nothing this time is left behind.

Actually that's not another show at all.

That's the same link you posted before, which I replied to with this:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here is the UN leaving nothing behind, after being used by Korvac:

Well .... that's what we thought anyway ...

Not exactly though ...

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's all you need to win. 🙂

Who said the CN needs to be reloaded with a New Universe?

I think you're picturing the CN with a limited human perception,

Roma has the power to gather all the Crystals and shatter all of them together.

Roma isn't a human being that can't multi-task on a Uber level.

Roma is divine, she can Stop Time, Rewind Time or Speed up Time.

Again,

please pay attention to our debate:

😉

Yep.

Glad to see now you know.

Well the Spirit of any being.entity is just in another Plane of Reality,

so yes, Jaspers would be able to Warp it, since it's a part of Reality.

I'll show you over a PM.

Actually that's not another show at all.

That's the same link you posted before, which I replied to with this:

It is and the UN can do the same thing but it doesn't have to destroy a universe to do it.

Yet it isn't the abilities possessed by Roma we are discussion (pay attention to oure debate) the CN can only as shown when the 258 was destroyed vaporize a universe at the time, then it needs the new life-force of a universe to function without it the CN is worthless.

Just a quick irrelavant observation 😉

It kind of does actually, Roma has to use the CN to destroy one universe to get rid of Reed with UN while reed can just point at roma and hit the trigger.

Okay.

Maybe I should have pointet out that I was refering to "and without a sound the universe behind them softly and suddenly vanishes away" vanishes in my dictonary means nothing left what so ever.

Another observation is also who is pulling the trigger on the UN the more sophesicated the being that fires it is the more devasteting is it powers, if you ore me fired it we would be destroyed and the universe along with us. But have someone like Galactus firing it and its energy output would be greater and he wouldn't destroy himself with it.

(by the way how does you hierachy in cosmic look now has anything been changed???)

well have a good nice sleep Mr Master it is time for me to go to bed.

Lookning forward to you reply.

Originally posted by Utrigita
well have a good nice sleep Mr Master it is time for me to go to bed.

Lookning forward to you reply.

Good nite, my friend. Blessed week for u 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
It is and the UN can do the same thing but it doesn't have to destroy a universe to do it.

The win is what counts, the method is inconsequential.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yet it isn't the abilities possessed by Roma we are discussion (pay attention to oure debate)

"Our debate?"

Our debate concerns this thread.

This thread is Roma & the CN vs Reed & the UN.

So yea,

the abilities of Roma are most significant here.

Originally posted by Utrigita
the CN can only as shown when the 258 was destroyed vaporize a universe at the time, then it needs the new life-force of a universe to function without it the CN is worthless.

The Crystals are already there,

why do you keep thinking the Crystals are in some storage area where they need to be gathered to be placed in the CN?

last time,

Roma has access to ALL the Crystals (the Omniverse) any time she wishes.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Just a quick irrelavant observation

It kind of does actually, Roma has to use the CN to destroy one universe to get rid of Reed with UN while reed can just point at roma and hit the trigger.

Okay.

😆

Hit what trigger?

Oh you mean the UN?

So obviously Reed needs the UN to destroy a Universe too.

If the thread starter specified Roma(CN) vs Reed(UN), then they're both equipped.

Guess who has the faster trigger finger? 🙄

Originally posted by Utrigita
Maybe I should have pointet out that I was refering to "and without a sound the universe behind them softly and suddenly vanishes away" vanishes in my dictonary means nothing left what so ever.

No doubt,

and NOTHING means ... Nothing 😂

But that wasn't the case now was it?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Another observation is also who is pulling the trigger on the UN the more sophesicated the being that fires it is the more devasteting is it powers, if you ore me fired it we would be destroyed and the universe along with us. But have someone like Galactus firing it and its energy output would be greater and he wouldn't destroy himself with it.

This has nothing to do with Big G at this point.

Korvac was FAR more powerful than Big G btw.

and evidently it made no difference.

Originally posted by Utrigita
(by the way how does you hierachy in cosmic look now has anything been changed???)

I have added a few to the tree.

I'll post it in a while.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I think I understand.

btw. The Concepts do disappear, but evidently the Temporal Spirit remains.

The CN leaves nothing behind.

I've been reading this a while now. I'll have to disagree on this point MM. How do we know the CN leaves nothing behind? I would have agreed that the UN would leave nothing behind but your scans prove that Eternity's spirit still survived. Now how do we know Eternity's spirit wouldn't survive the CN? We don't.

And the CN doesn't nullify everything either. Fury survived didn't it? Why wouldn't Eternity's spirit?

Cause Jaspers 616 was killed by Fury in a Universe erased by the CN.

Jaspers had absolutely nothing to Warp, and was left vulnerable.

Jasper couldn't warp because there was no reality, no universe. I wouldn't say that proves that the CN erased the spirit of eternity because:

1] spirit of Eternity isn't a reality/universe
2] Eternity's spirit ONLY SHOWED ITSELF because Strange wanted to nullify the nullified to bring back the universe

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
I've been reading this a while now. I'll have to disagree on this point MM. How do we know the CN leaves nothing behind? I would have agreed that the UN would leave nothing behind but your scans prove that Eternity's spirit still survived. Now how do we know Eternity's spirit wouldn't survive the CN? We don't.

Cause unlike the UN, which nullifies Time and Space.

The CN nullifies the actual Life-Force of the Universe.

That Spirit that "survived" sorta speak is what's targeted by the CN.

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"

"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
And the CN doesn't nullify everything either. Fury survived didn't it? Why wouldn't Eternity's spirit?

Fury didn't just survive, the Fury's durability allowed him to Resist Nullification.

Evidently Fury's durability > Eternity's.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Jasper couldn't warp because there was no reality, no universe. I wouldn't say that proves that the CN erased the spirit of eternity because:

1] spirit of Eternity isn't a reality/universe

It's part of another Plane of Reality within the Universe.

But I won't really debate that.

Here's my final word on the matter.

The UN is more versatile and definitely a more convenient weapon to carry.

It's small and manageable it can erase a single person or a Multiverse.

The CN is at least a few feet in height, and atleast a couple of feet in diameter,

and for the most part seems to only erase instead of create.

The CN does not erase a sinlge individual at a time, it takes out Universes only.

But the CN can erase any Universe in the Omniverse, totality apparently.

Since All the Life-Force of the Universe is obliterated in it's Crystal.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The win is what counts, the method is inconsequential.

"Our debate?"

Our debate concerns this thread.

This thread is Roma & the CN vs Reed & the UN.

So yea,

the abilities of Roma are most significant here.

The Crystals are already there,

why do you keep thinking the Crystals are in some storage area where they need to be gathered to be placed in the CN?

last time,

Roma has access to ALL the Crystals (the Omniverse) any time she wishes.

😆

Hit what trigger?

Oh you mean the UN?

So obviously Reed needs the UN to destroy a Universe too.

If the thread starter specified Roma(CN) vs Reed(UN), then they're both equipped.

Guess who has the faster trigger finger? 🙄

No doubt,

and NOTHING means ... Nothing 😂

But that wasn't the case now was it?

This has nothing to do with Big G at this point.

Korvac was FAR more powerful than Big G btw.

and evidently it made no difference.

I have added a few to the tree.

I'll post it in a while.

The way to win yes it what counts that right, but the ability the UN has to remake something here is very relavant if Roma destroyes the Crystal the universe is gone but as you said yourself if reed fires at that moment to the universe will still exist as strange said - - = + and then what she has used the crystal to destroy that one universe, but the question is will the crystal reform after the remaking of the universe has taken place.

Oure debat for the most of this thread has more concerned the CN vs UN and not Reed (UN) vs Roma (CN)

So the crystals are already in the machine okay, didn't get that impression from MJJ 258 it looked like on crystal destroyed at the time, and then they needed to fetch another crystal.

Of cause reed needs the UN to destroy a universe haven't seen him done that by himself have you roma, possibly can destroy a universe all by herself.

It all comes down to yes who is fastest

rifle vs raygun

Yet the spirit only appeared when Strange was about to do it, I wonder if it is even there constantly ore when that Universe died just went to multieternity, plus we don't know if a spirit of eternity 258 was still there, you can only speculate because you understanding of a spirit is somewhat different then mine and mine is that a spirit ore soul isn't reality that can be warped with.

If Korvac was more powerful then Galactus then why did he need the UN to kill Galactus 🙄 it kind of speaks against korvac being more powerful.

Okay cool looking forward to it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The way to win yes it what counts that right, but the ability the UN has to remake something here is very relavant if Roma destroyes the Crystal the universe is gone but as you said yourself if reed fires at that moment to the universe will still exist as strange said - - = + and then what she has used the crystal to destroy that one universe, but the question is will the crystal reform after the remaking of the universe has taken place.

If Roma uses the CN before Reed, there will be no Reed to use the UN.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Oure debat for the most of this thread has more concerned the CN vs UN and not Reed (UN) vs Roma (CN)

The thread is Reed vs Roma, each with a Nullifier.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So the crystals are already in the machine okay, didn't get that impression from MJJ 258 it looked like on crystal destroyed at the time, and then they needed to fetch another crystal.

It's 238 btw. 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
It all comes down to yes who is fastest

Basically, in which case Roma wins.

Even if Roma was slower, which she isn't, she can just Rewind Time or Stop it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yet the spirit only appeared when Strange was about to do it, I wonder if it is even there constantly ore when that Universe died just went to multieternity,

I don't see a difference.

The fact that it appeared, tells us it was there.

Originally posted by Utrigita
plus we don't know if a spirit of eternity 258 was still there, you can only speculate

Nah, I don't need to speculate.

The CN erases the Life-Force of a Universe.

Since I never seen anything left behind,

there's no reason for me to think otherwise.

Originally posted by Utrigita
because you understanding of a spirit is somewhat different then mine and mine is that a spirit ore soul isn't reality that can be warped with.

The Spirit is part of another Plane of Reality, there's no doubt about that.

But in anycase I already said I wouldn't debate this part.

Originally posted by Utrigita
If Korvac was more powerful then Galactus then why did he need the UN to kill Galactus, it kind of speaks against korvac being more powerful.

Actually Korvac murdered Galactus on his own without the UN. 🙄

Originally posted by Mr Master
If Roma uses the CN before Reed, there will be no Reed to use the UN.

The thread is Reed vs Roma, each with a Nullifier.

It's 238 btw. 🙂

Basically, in which case Roma wins.

Even if Roma was slower, which she isn't, she can just Rewind Time or Stop it.

I don't see a difference.

The fact that it appeared, tells us it was there.

Nah, I don't need to speculate.

The CN erases the Life-Force of a Universe.

Since I never seen anything left behind,

there's no reason for me to think otherwise.

The Spirit is part of another Plane of Reality, there's no doubt about that.

But in anycase I already said I wouldn't debate this part.

Actually Korvac murdered Galactus on his own without the UN. 🙄

And what if he hits first then there will be no roma.

I agree with you all the way that Roma would win against Reed, agreed she doesn't need the CN to do so.

damm always forgets that 😠

Reverse time wouldn't help her if reed pulls the trigger first, the nullification happens instantely

But what I find interesting is the power that lies in the CN and UN and that is what is interesting to discuss not the battle but the power of the two items vs each other.

The fact is that it apperead when he was about to pull the trigger, not a second before.

Okay the question about the Soul is more for the religion forum.

And since eternity is the lifeforce of a universe okay.

Okay the scan was just misplaced then since it said that he needed the UN to kill Galactus. (how many universes has korvac taken over???)

(sorry for it being a little messy)

Yet another question is the lifeforce from the crystal would it be reformed, if the UN fired and thus reversed the nullification and in that way restoring the crystal 😕 ore would the CN no longer work against that universe in particular.