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Kazuya Mishima vs Ryu

Mishima Fighting Karate vs Ansatsuken. Lightning Screw Uppercut vs the Shinshoryuken

Kazuya tracks Ryu down to Brazil, where he is a pupil of Oro. After witnessing Ryu in the horse stance lifting the big-ass boulder, Kazuya makes his appearance.

Kazuya wants to know several of Ansatsuken's most deadliest techniques and only Ryu knows the location of the scrolls and notebooks that Gouken had left behind.

Ryu refuses to tell him, since the moves are far too dangerous, but Kazuya won't listen to reason.

In this battle, Kazuya's Devil Gene is banned, as well as Ryu's ki attacks.
Kazuya's no Hugo, so a Shinshoryuken would work should Ryu gets in close.

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Pretty close match

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Here goes...Ryu. Although, yet again, Kazuya is still very basass.

Sado22 Restricted

Pretty close match

yup...both karateka, both counter based, both got good power and experience.
Power is with Kazuya, so is experience since he's been fighting for a long time now. Speed would be pretty much even between the two. Projectiles do give Ryu the edge but like i've said before [and let's say it together]:
means squat infront of those who beat demons and ogres with their barehands.
over all Ryu's got his persistene to go for him and his focused fighting ability. KAzuya is an arrogant man so it can lead to his downfall in front of the more focused Ryu. if kazuya does this Ryu's gonna take it with a shinshoryuken or somethin along those lines.

Kazuya's got the power behind his punches. Both seem to be the counter attack type of fighters (Kazuya never shown to show any offense through out all the videos in the tekken series and seems to be the waiting counter type with a lot of power and brutality). both warrior have a similar fighting pattern but i guess Ryu will be on the defensive here owning to Kazuya's speed and his need to close gap enough to prevent ryu to resorting to hadouken etc.
at close range this becomes more on Kazuya's doman as he has good throws and also more evasive and counter type attacks. In fact the bulk of mishima ryu's moves require a low stance pattern which is good in the evasion and close range defense department...something like Tyson's peek-a-boo style that is good on the ducking department. at close range, the only thing that would be going for Ryu would be his durability since the bulk of his moves require more startup time and are not too pro-confinement.
Once Kazuya goes close range, he's gonna take it since Ryu doesn't match Kazuya's power nor his viciousness. Kazuya pounds Ryu and blasts him away with dragon uppercut.
Kazuya: *picks up ryu by the throat with one arm and stares at him* tanoshimi naran-da!

~The Devil With In Sado-sama

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yay!! (you should read the beginning post, ryu has no ki attacks)

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Kaz goes down yet again. But he gives Ryu a few injuries to remember him by. All the while looking more badass and smiling even as he lies beaten on the ground. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. Kaz is cooler than Ryu. But....he still loses.

Sado22 Restricted

yay!! (you should read the beginning post, ryu has no ki attacks)

*why do i get a feeling that you were implying "sado doesn't respect ryu" garbage again?😕
...my bad for not reading the snafu's first post and rules.
now that we're clear:
then Kazuya pwns him worse than he would otherwise. its funny how some of you guys are implying that kaz gets pwned close range, though Kazuya is FAR superior at close range combat than Ryu. at close range not only does he have good combos, but his moves also have good evasive-counter type style to them. What's the move that ryu can pull off really fast aside, perhaps, from shoryuken? none of his moves have a sway or duck pattern to them like Kazuya's either. Close range Kazuya pwns him too hard....hard enough that Ryu gives him not only the location of the scrolls but even gives him access to his school notebooks too.
also "Kazuya is no Hugo"? please. Kazuya would pwn Hugo........possibly hold his leg and smack him around like he was smacking the Jack's in the T5 intro. Also Hachi and Kazuya are more or less equally tough and if Hachi could take the Honmaru blast so could Kazy....which was further proved by Kazuya's lack of surprise when he meets hachi in T5 tournament. and don't even say shinshoryuken is worse than honmaru blast. I'd like to see Fatboy, pink leather 8foot loser can take a honmaru blast. Fact of the matter is simple, given Kazuya's superior in-fighting abilities he pwns Ryu. Period.

~The I-Hold-All-The-Cards-Now Sado-sama

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Ryu can lift multiple boulders at once and dodge bullets at close range. Even though there is no chi progectiles in this match Ryu still has his many other technuiqes. Kazuya wont get slaughterd but he aint winning, espesialy since Ryu has the Shinshoryuken.

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Ryu can lift multiple boulders at once and dodge bullets at close range. Even though there is no chi progectiles in this match Ryu still has his many other technuiqes. Kazuya wont get slaughterd but he aint winning, espesialy since Ryu has the Shinshoryuken.

last time i checked it was one...
anyway like i said before the day Ryu can break bulletproof armored robots in half with one punch, survive falling off a HUGE cliff as a child, pick up one of those heavyass robots spin around smack it into 5 others break them all and then toss it 20 feet away into a huge statue of buddha and break BOTH of them, be capable of surviving honmaru blast, send people 10 to 15 feet in the air with a simple uppercut, pick up humans effortlessly with one arm and grin at them (the coolest winpose in the history of videogames)...............this and a lot of other stuff..........THEN I'll say ryu can win. otherwise no.
also shinshoryuken isn't too much of a big deal since it takes him too long to pull off. at close range, Ryu has no hope against Kazuya since Kazuya is not only stronger but his moves have better evasive and defensive techniques. not to mention meanass throws. no hope for the True Warrior.

~The Tanoshimi Naran-Da Sado-sama

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OMG THAT WAS AMAZING!!!!clapping kaz WOULD destroy ryu, and by the way, i was not saying that you do not respect ryu, everybody loves ryu!! (but not as much as kazuya) 😖hifty:

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Kazuya glares at Ryu and renders him unconscious. If Heihachi couldn't stand up to that assault, Ryu couldn't either.

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"He'll mess with your head man...until it's just a vacant shell"

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OMG THAT WAS AMAZING!!!! kaz WOULD destroy ryu, and by the way, i was not saying that you do not respect ryu, everybody loves ryu!! (but not as much as kazuya)

🙂
i know....i'm too good. i think i'm gonna fall in love with myself!
😆

Kazuya glares at Ryu and renders him unconscious. If Heihachi couldn't stand up to that assault, Ryu couldn't either.

lol but that won't work.
remember that ryu is a true warrior. he had an 8foot Sagat look at him, smile and then feel his chest....that didn't scare Ryu🙂
If that happens to me i'd run like hell!

~The Invincible Narcissit Sado-sama
P.S. cRoudO you're the biggest spamwhore on the planet! what's with those pm's?! 😠
🙂

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Originally posted by Sado22
last time i checked it was one...

No, it was 2 plus Oro. Ryu lifted a boulder with Oro sitting on top and Oro himself was lifting a boulder with 1 hand while sitting on top of the boulder Ryu was holding.

Originally posted by Sado22
like i said before the day Ryu can break bulletproof armored robots in half with one punch

Ask yourself this, what bullet proof robots has Ryu ever fought? Also, lifting 2 boulders plus a guy so blows punching a hole through Jack out of the water. And Ryu blew a hole through a cyborg with 1 single Hadouken

Originally posted by Sado22
survive falling off a HUGE cliff as a child

Try surviving in a fight with a guy who can crush islands. I'd hop off a mountain any day.

Originally posted by Sado22
pick up one of those heavyass robots spin around smack it into 5 others break them all and then toss it 20 feet away into a huge statue of Buddha and break BOTH of them

That boulder thing is still WAY better. Also Kaz destroyed a Buddha statue< Ryu destroyed most of a building with out using a Super Art.

Originally posted by Sado22
be capable of surviving honmaru blast,

Ryu survived a blast from Saddler, Saddler's blast was stronger than the 1 Ryu through that nearly destroyed a building

Originally posted by Sado22
send people 10 to 15 feet in the air with a simple uppercut

Obvious to see you never seen the SF movies.

Originally posted by Sado22
pick up humans effortlessly with one arm and grin at them

Try warding off Bison with a single Shoryuken.

Originally posted by Sado22
(the coolest winpose in the history of videogames)

No, Jin Saotome, Strider Hiryu, and Onslaught have the coolest win poses in video game history.

Originally posted by Sado22
also shinshoryuken isn't too much of a big deal since it takes him too long to pull off.

What!? Are you serious? A ShinshoryuKen doesn't take along time and he can put it in combos, causing 1 hit combo kills.

Sorry Kaz, but... "The Dream Is Dead" .

GO BEARS!!!

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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Kaz goes down yet again. But he gives Ryu a few injuries to remember him by. All the while looking more badass and smiling even as he lies beaten on the ground. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. Kaz is cooler than Ryu. But....he still loses.

Ditto. & there aren't too many characters Kaz ain't cooler than

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Originally posted by Sado22
lol but that won't work.
remember that ryu is a true warrior. he had an 8foot Sagat look at him, smile and then feel his chest....that didn't scare Ryu🙂
If that happens to me i'd run like hell!

Why won't it work?

Sado22 Restricted

Why won't it work?

come to think of it....even if Kaz is getting glared back at, all he needs to do is bring Hachi in his T4 diaper outfit. 😄

No, it was 2 plus Oro. Ryu lifted a boulder with Oro sitting on top and Oro himself was lifting a boulder with 1 hand while sitting on top of the boulder Ryu was holding.

my bad, played sf3 3rd strike long time back. but that's TWO not SEVERAL.

Ask yourself this, what bullet proof robots has Ryu ever fought? Also, lifting 2 boulders plus a guy so blows punching a hole through Jack out of the water. And Ryu blew a hole through a cyborg with 1 single Hadouken

Kazuya beat down freaking dinosaurs all at once in Tekken anime, made the one remaining one run away. he even smacked them far away. he can also survive honmaru blast. ryu hasn't fought bullet proof robots but that doesn't change the fact that he won't be doing what kazzy did. not now. not ever. the guy can't even beat a rich boy sissy like Ken. not to mention how against Saddler he with all the non-ki based moves couldn't even effect him. Kazzy on the other hand was tearing open the Jacks. fair enough, eh?

Try surviving in a fight with a guy who can crush islands. I'd hop off a mountain any day.

you mean the guy who can crush islands but wasn't fighting him seriously at all?

That boulder thing is still WAY better. Also Kaz destroyed a Buddha statue< Ryu destroyed most of a building with out using a Super Art.

that could very well have been a super art since he was storing it for a long time. AND it was dark hadou Ryu not regular Ryu. he was storing it as Evil ryu remember? not to mention how regular ryu got pwned by midtier zangeif.

Ryu survived a blast from Saddler, Saddler's blast was stronger than the 1 Ryu through that nearly destroyed a building

Saddler=non canon.
and for the record Ryu would have gotten pwned hadn't it been for the dark hadou. again, he was using DARK HADOU. even in their second fight when he did that he was already losing it.

Obvious to see you never seen the SF movies.

yes and they all sucked except SF2 animated movie. Ryu has blue eyes? wtf?

Try warding off Bison with a single Shoryuken.

you mean doing a shoryuken and then having the other guy retreat cuz it would have been a 4 on 1 matchup? its not like Bison was defeated by it anyway. he was just taken aback that Ryu broke free (thanks to Sagat).

No, Jin Saotome, Strider Hiryu, and Onslaught have the coolest win poses in video game history.

all conveniently from Capcom aren't they?

What!? Are you serious? A ShinshoryuKen doesn't take along time and he can put it in combos, causing 1 hit combo kills.

actually it does take a few seconds to pull it off. not to mention how wide open he is (if we're talking about the CvsSNK2 version). also why do all people assume that Kazuya is just going to stand there and take it? like he hasn't seen all that crap before you know? in fact mishima ryu practically specializes in nasty uppercuts. all of close range moves, CLEARLY show an advantage for kaz. have you seen his ducking, his evasive moves and his guard while carrying out his moves? ryu doesn't do that. for shinshoryuken he is wide open. for shoryuken he is wide open. these are the only TWO moves he can pull off decently on close range and are open as hell. all his other moves are rendered useless the moment Kazuya fights him close range. not only are his vital body parts open as hell, even his hands aren't up to guard his chin or jaw. bad defenese right there for a so-called true warrior. if you wanna talk in game combos then just know that Kazuya can practically KILL Ryu once he smacks ryu on the pavement (which probably wont take long since almost all his moves smack the opponent away), or juggle him like a ball. no hope for ryu.

~The Tanoshimi Naran-da Sado-sama

~

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Originally posted by Sado22

my bad, played sf3 3rd strike long time back. but that's TWO not SEVERAL.

Still more than what Kaz can do

Originally posted by Sado22
Kazuya beat down freaking dinosaurs all at once in Tekken anime, made the one remaining one run away. he even smacked them far away. he can also survive honmaru blast. ryu hasn't fought bullet proof robots but that doesn't change the fact that he won't be doing what kazzy did. not now. not ever. the guy can't even beat a rich boy sissy like Ken. not to mention how against Saddler he with all the non-ki based moves couldn't even effect him. Kazzy on the other hand was tearing open the Jacks. fair enough, eh?

Balrog knocked an Elephant smooth out, that's a feat above Kaz cause Kaz beat up raptures, small dinosaurs. And Ryu can beat up Balrog. You can't assume he wont smash robots if he never fought one. If he can nearly destroy building with possibly Gou Hadoukens, I see no problem in crushing Jacks. That sissy Ken F-in Masters will defeat Kaz as well. Saddler is tougher than a Jack.

Originally posted by Sado22
you mean the guy who can crush islands but wasn't fighting him seriously at all?

If Kaz fought Gouki at that power level he fought Ryu, Kaz would've died. Gouki may not have been at full power but he wasn't just throwing his fist at'em.

Originally posted by Sado22
that could very well have been a super art since he was storing it for a long time. AND it was dark hadou Ryu not regular Ryu. he was storing it as Evil ryu remember? not to mention how regular ryu got pwned by midtier zangeif.?

It wasn't a super, it was a Gou Hadouken at the most. Regular Ryu is stronger than Dark Ryu so he will most definitely beat Kaz. He didn't get "pwnd" the fight had barely started before Shun jumped in. Ryu could've killed Zangeif and Zangeif is VERY powerful.

Originally posted by Sado22
Saddler=non canon.
and for the record Ryu would have gotten pwned hadn't it been for the dark hadou. again, he was using DARK HADOU. even in their second fight when he did that he was already losing it.

Saddler is canon, that version of him wasn't but the movie showed how much Ryu can take, It shows that if a warrior as strong as Saddler came, Ryu could beat him. Once again, normal Ryu is stronger than Dark Ryu, and it was normal Ryu that beat Saddler.

Originally posted by Sado22
Saddler=non canon.yes and they all sucked except SF2 animated movie. Ryu has blue eyes? wtf?

That's your opinion, to me they were all good. Many don't like the Fatal Fury movies, but I did. Now the Tekken movie kinda sucked.

Originally posted by Sado22
you mean doing a shoryuken and then having the other guy retreat cuz it would have been a 4 on 1 matchup? its not like Bison was defeated by it anyway. he was just taken aback that Ryu broke free (thanks to Sagat).

Bison retreated because he was hurt not because he would get jumped cause he willingly took on Chun Li, Guile, and Charlie, and did not retreat. Bison didn't wanna get injured any more than he already was, Ryu splattered him, didn't you see the ending?

Originally posted by Sado22
all conveniently from Capcom aren't they?

Onslaught isn't Capcom he's Marvel. Tell me what's cooler than a guy walking over to your carcass and putting his foot on top of you with his arms crossed looking like he just conquered you. Or whipping out a sword and leaping in the air, gonna finish you off by slicing you in 2. Or simply jumping 2 screens up and stand on the ceiling or just vanishing off the screen or just jumping off the screen or jumping off on some sort of a hang glider. What about blasting off the t.v. screen while after you've been K.Oed. Or just looming over your body and saying "The Dream Is Dead" in perfect english. That quote alone blows any win pose out of the water, Or "Know My Name and Fear It...I Am Onsluaght". The best win poses/quotes ever.

Originally posted by Sado22
actually it does take a few seconds to pull it off. not to mention how wide open he is (if we're talking about the CvsSNK2 version). also why do all people assume that Kazuya is just going to stand there and take it? like he hasn't seen all that crap before you know? in fact mishima ryu practically specializes in nasty uppercuts. all of close range moves, CLEARLY show an advantage for kaz. have you seen his ducking, his evasive moves and his guard while carrying out his moves? ryu doesn't do that. for shinshoryuken he is wide open. for shoryuken he is wide open. these are the only TWO moves he can pull off decently on close range and are open as hell. all his other moves are rendered useless the moment Kazuya fights him close range. not only are his vital body parts open as hell, even his hands aren't up to guard his chin or jaw. bad defenese right there for a so-called true warrior. if you wanna talk in game combos then just know that Kazuya can practically KILL Ryu once he smacks ryu on the pavement (which probably wont take long since almost all his moves smack the opponent away), or juggle him like a ball. no hope for ryu.
~The Tanoshimi Naran-da Sado-sama
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All I gotta say is, the Shinshoryuken is done instantly In the SF games and once Kaz is hit, it's over.

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Still more than what Kaz can do

no proof of that now is it. since kazuya can clearly smack around heavyass robots with basic punches, something which Ryu can't do, its obvious that if required he could do that.

Balrog knocked an Elephant smooth out, that's a feat above Kaz cause Kaz beat up raptures, small dinosaurs. And Ryu can beat up Balrog. You can't assume he wont smash robots if he never fought one. If he can nearly destroy building with possibly Gou Hadoukens, I see no problem in crushing Jacks. That sissy Ken F-in Masters will defeat Kaz as well. Saddler is tougher than a Jack.

we don't know if Ryu fought balrog in SF2 since nothing of Sf2 is known. i CAN assume that he wouldn't smash robots since against a cyborg he couldn't do it until he reverted to dark hadou, FAILED EVEN THEN, and then did hadouken which isn't a punch.

If Kaz fought Gouki at that power level he fought Ryu, Kaz would've died. Gouki may not have been at full power but he wasn't just throwing his fist at'em.

your assumption. i say he'd probably do a wee bit better than ryu.

It wasn't a super, it was a Gou Hadouken at the most. Regular Ryu is stronger than Dark Ryu so he will most definitely beat Kaz. He didn't get "pwnd" the fight had barely started before Shun jumped in. Ryu could've killed Zangeif and Zangeif is VERY powerful

where did you get THAT from?! Evil ryu is stronger than Ryu...that is why ryu was having trouble abandoning it. stop believing all that crap from the SF alpha anime. when ryu fought Zangeif he got him but the cyclone piledriver/powerbomb and was laid the f--k out. he wasn't getting up till shun started screaming like a whore and ryu went dark hadou.

Saddler is canon, that version of him wasn't but the movie showed how much Ryu can take, It shows that if a warrior as strong as Saddler came, Ryu could beat him. Once again, normal Ryu is stronger than Dark Ryu, and it was normal Ryu that beat Saddler.

your first line contradicts the second one.
regardless, when Saddler was landing those shots on Ryu, ryu was already Evil ryu. also, you're using that anime as Canon source when it is a known fact that SF3 Ryu=SFAEvil ryu.
stop using anime as canon source, mane.

That's your opinion, to me they were all good. Many don't like the Fatal Fury movies, but I did. Now the Tekken movie kinda sucked.

SF2: was amazing. i watched taht thing 10 times in 3 days.
SF2V: was great and i like the change in the personalities....seeing Ryu with a marginal "life" was fun. action was pretty decent too.
SFA was too fake for my taste and the fight scenes sucked balls.
SFA generations: SUCKED BAD.
FF1: sucked bad.
FF2: was really good.
FF3: was really good too.
Tekken: 🙄

Bison retreated because he was hurt not because he would get jumped cause he willingly took on Chun Li, Guile, and Charlie, and did not retreat. Bison didn't wanna get injured any more than he already was, Ryu splattered him, didn't you see the ending?

ryu didn't splatter him. he was splattered later on when Chunli, Guile and charlie destroyed the psycho drives.

Onslaught isn't Capcom he's Marvel.

i was talking about Onslaught in the GAME.

Tell me what's cooler than a guy walking over to your carcass and putting his foot on top of you with his arms crossed looking like he just conquered you. Or whipping out a sword and leaping in the air, gonna finish you off by slicing you in 2. Or simply jumping 2 screens up and stand on the ceiling or just vanishing off the screen or just jumping off the screen or jumping off on some sort of a hang glider. What about blasting off the t.v. screen while after you've been K.Oed. Or just looming over your body and saying "The Dream Is Dead" in perfect english. That quote alone blows any win pose out of the water, Or "Know My Name and Fear It...I Am Onsluaght". The best win poses/quotes ever.

okay....kazuya's winpose is cooler than a guy walking over to your carcass and putting his foot on top of you with his arms crossed looking like he just conquered you. Or whipping out a sword and leaping in the air, gonna finish you off by slicing you in 2. Or simply jumping 2 screens up and stand on the ceiling or just vanishing off the screen or just jumping off the screen or jumping off on some sort of a hang glider. What about blasting off the t.v. screen while after you've been K.Oed. Or just looming over your body and saying "The Dream Is Dead" in perfect english. That quote alone blows any win pose out of the water, Or "Know My Name and Fear It...I Am Onsluaght"😄

All I gotta say is, the Shinshoryuken is done instantly In the SF games and once Kaz is hit, it's over.

...and ignore the rest of all the points i've made so far.

~Sado-sama

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Remulous's argument is that Ryu would beat Kazuya...even with the power shown in the T4 event right before the fight between Kazuya and Jin?