I also want to point out that in Tekken (crappy) cartoon all characters were much weaker than they are in the game.
As for ki based attacks, ability to fire projectiles alone doesn't prove that character is more powerfull than any other who can't do that.
Almost any SF and FF character can perform ki blasts, does it mean they ALL are more powerfull than say Bryan Fury?
I hope none of you are refuring to me, because once again, I never said that.
2d fighters are stronger because they have screen filling supers, planet destroying characters, characters who can destroy planets in seconds. Ship, stadium, and island destroyers. 2d just shows more strength and power in game.
Kaz is gonna lose becuase Ryu can beat Jin and Jin beat Kaz. Kaz would lose becuase Ryu lasted against Gouki but Kaz was beat by Heihachi and Heihachi would get finished by Gouki. Ryu has nearly destroyed buildings dodged bullets from close range, obliterated and mamed powerful foes. After Tekken 2 Kaz went down hill while Ryu continues to be come stonger.
This is insane, Kaz can not beat Ryu or Terry, if he can then that means Jin is MIGHTY powerful which he aint, he's good but you guys are putting him on a Gouki and Rugal level. With all this crap going around Jin would have to be atleast low Gouki level which just aint true. Gouki punched and sunk an island. That was in alpha 2. Ryu is much stronrer then that version of Gouki. 3d can not beat 2d, I can name one 2d character that can wipe out every 3d fighter at once.
I can't even beleive I'm still debating about this.
Originally posted by Remulous
I hope none of you are refuring to me, because once again, I never said that.2d fighters are stronger because they have screen filling supers, planet destroying characters, characters who can destroy planets in seconds. Ship, stadium, and island destroyers. 2d just shows more strength and power in game.
Kaz is gonna lose becuase Ryu can beat Jin and Jin beat Kaz. Kaz would lose becuase Ryu lasted against Gouki but Kaz was beat by Heihachi and Heihachi would get finished by Gouki. Ryu has nearly destroyed buildings dodged bullets from close range, obliterated and mamed powerful foes. After Tekken 2 Kaz went down hill while Ryu continues to be come stonger.
This is insane, Kaz can not beat Ryu or Terry, if he can then that means Jin is MIGHTY powerful which he aint, he's good but you guys are putting him on a Gouki and Rugal level. With all this crap going around Jin would have to be atleast low Gouki level which just aint true. Gouki punched and sunk an island. That was in alpha 2. Ryu is much stronrer then that version of Gouki. 3d can not beat 2d, I can name one 2d character that can wipe out every 3d fighter at once.
I can't even beleive I'm still debating about this.
Also, you're using the A>B>C logic so I'll use that as well.
Ryu killed the Vigoor Emperor who would annihilate Akuma. I guess Ryu would destroy Akuma to even a greater extent.
Oh, and you seem to forget that Nightmare is from a 3D fighting game. I don't see any 2D character beating him either.
Let's see. Pyron, Orochi if he returns his original body, Jedah, Gill supposedly can bring about an apocalypse but I'm not sure. There are plenty more who could decimate large parts of a planet. Gouki could beat the vigoor emperor if the plot device is off.
Most of the Darkstalker characters would obliterate Nightmare. So would several god tier SF/KOF characters. Don't kid yourself. Nightmare's a beast, but even he's outclassed at a certain point.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Co-sign. These kind of debates are hopelessly one-sided. Anyone who doesn't think so is delusional. I'm glad I'm not the only person who sees it.
You do realize that only a few like Remulous and...you share that same opinion?
2D fighters are not above 3D fighters. You should not use only game mechanics to prove a point. You should be using storyline strengths and powers and not just what happens in-game. You ignore pretty much all the points people such as me and Sado have mentioned up to this point since you think only your opinion matters.
Nightmare and Devil are two of the most powerful 3D fighters. Maybe only a few 2D characters can beat one of those two.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let's see. Pyron, Orochi if he returns his original body, Jedah, Gill supposedly can bring about an apocalypse but I'm not sure. There are plenty more who could decimate large parts of a planet. Gouki could beat the vigoor emperor if the plot device is off.Most of the Darkstalker characters would obliterate Nightmare. So would several god tier SF/KOF characters. Don't kid yourself. Nightmare's a beast, but even he's outclassed at a certain point.
How would Akuma beat the VE? He could just crush him in his hand or destroy the earth beneath him. That, or he could send multiple annihilating beams at him.
Wasn't referring to DSs. I don't know who could beat Nightmare or Devil other than probably Akuma, Orochi, and G. Rugal who I don't think should count since he's not canon. Point is, 2D fighters are not above 3D fighters, as in not all or even most 2D fighters are stronger than 3D fighters. Of course, I'm not including Darkstalkers. I'm mainly talking about SF/KOF and all 3D games that aren't based off of something else.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestM-F-in exactly!
Let's see. Pyron, Orochi if he returns his original body, Jedah, Gill supposedly can bring about an apocalypse but I'm not sure. There are plenty more who could decimate large parts of a planet. Gouki could beat the vigoor emperor if the plot device is off.Most of the Darkstalker characters would obliterate Nightmare. So would several god tier SF/KOF characters. Don't kid yourself. Nightmare's a beast, but even he's outclassed at a certain point.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII-Pyron, Orochi if he returns his original body, Jedah, Gill, Morrigan if fused with Lilith, Demtri, and possibly Amakusa and Kouryu. And that's only a few of the characters that can cause massive damage.
Which 2D fighting character can destroy a planet in seconds? 😑Also, you're using the A>B>C logic so I'll use that as well.
Ryu killed the Vigoor Emperor who would annihilate Akuma. I guess Ryu would destroy Akuma to even a greater extent.
Oh, and you seem to forget that Nightmare is from a 3D fighting game. I don't see any 2D character beating him either.
-vigor emp can't beat Gouki with out the plot device. what I said wasn't ABC logic, it was the truth. No character I mentioned has a plot device, it's all fair and true.
-Oh, and you seem to forget that The Dark Stalkers are 2D fighters. I don't see any 3D character beating them either. Have you seen Pyron? The entire planet isn't even the size of his pinky.
woah...this got really far in ONE day! damn.
I hope none of you are refuring to me, because once again, I never said that.
2d fighters are stronger because they have screen filling supers, planet destroying characters, characters who can destroy planets in seconds. Ship, stadium, and island destroyers. 2d just shows more strength and power in game.
Kaz is gonna lose becuase Ryu can beat Jin and Jin beat Kaz. Kaz would lose becuase Ryu lasted against Gouki but Kaz was beat by Heihachi and Heihachi would get finished by Gouki. Ryu has nearly destroyed buildings dodged bullets from close range, obliterated and mamed powerful foes. After Tekken 2 Kaz went down hill while Ryu continues to be come stonger.
This is insane, Kaz can not beat Ryu or Terry, if he can then that means Jin is MIGHTY powerful which he aint, he's good but you guys are putting him on a Gouki and Rugal level. With all this crap going around Jin would have to be atleast low Gouki level which just aint true. Gouki punched and sunk an island. That was in alpha 2. Ryu is much stronrer then that version of Gouki. 3d can not beat 2d, I can name one 2d character that can wipe out every 3d fighter at once.
cRoudO, rem and TP are right. Orochi CAN destroy the world since he's that powerful. so can Ignitz cuz he was stronger than Orochi. Gill can't since he's weaker than Gouki and the strongest move of Gouki can only split Ayres rock in half which isn't destroying the world or even coming close to it. so no...no one from SF can do it. also can we leave Darkstalkers out of this. they are a different planet or realm or something and they aren't even human. Vampires, werewolves, pussygirls, beewoman, mummy...........and god knows what else. doesn't set up a good example since we are comparing HUMAN characters in 2D and 3D.
now as you can see 3D guys can also destroy planets too. The strongest guy in SF (gouki) can't even come close as i pointed out above.
~I Can Beat Ryu Myself Sado-sama
Originally posted by Sado22Didn't it!
woah...this got really far in ONE day! damn.
Originally posted by Sado22😆 , Hey, I love that show!
for some reason that just reminded me or Gorath and Coop from MEGAS XLR. 😆.
Originally posted by Sado22Jinpachi can destroy the world POSSIBLY, over time. The guys I named can do it instantly.
Dude, Jinpachi is capbale of destroying the world too. Devil, Ogre and Jinpachi also have screen filling supers....that actually take more. Jinpachi can do a 360 degrees turn with constant fire beams shot out. I still remember how i was screaming when constantly side stepping that cuz it was the last round......and then winded up doing a jump🙁
Originally posted by Sado22No he can't.
Devil is capable of destroying the whole Zaibatsu Compound which is practically an estate....in fact its practically an island and its so large that honmaru, a temple so vast and huge was actually a HIDDEN PLACE! that is one big compound dude...and it wasn't underground or anything.
Originally posted by Sado22That forest wasn't that big. Those explosions are nothing compared to getting nuked, hit by Shinku and Gou Hadoukens, and Shungokustasu's. Moves made to kill instantly (except the Shinku Hadouken). I'd like to see Jin ward off Bison.
Devil Jin destroyed the whole forest though he is not as powerful as Devil. not only that but they can actually beat people who do all this with their BARE HANDS. and then...they can survive explosions that could easily vaporize the bulk of the SF/KoF cast.
Originally posted by Sado22Stop lying to yourself and quit drinkin the hateraid. Gouki may not been at full power but he wasn't playing around. That Gouki would've killed Kaz and Jin at the same time.
Ryu will lose cuz he can't beat Jin, nor Kaz. Ryu lasted against non-serious Gouki. stop lying with the truth.
Originally posted by Sado22That wasn't a hard fight for Ryu, he was just sparing and Makuto will damn near beat Kaz and Jin ( she could probably flat out beat kaz)
ryu dodges bullets and still gets pushed into a good fight by little girls like Makuto.
Originally posted by Sado22Still sippin on that hateraid. last time I checked their last battle, Ryu won. Ken will beat the $h!t outta Kaz and Jin and he's slightly weaker than Ryu.
he can destroy buildings but can't beat a wuss like Ken who from all proof and canon info is weaker than him
Originally posted by Sado22Saddler and he nearly obliterated Bison who has Kaz obliterated, after Tekken 1 kaz stayed getting his as embarrassed
at least Kazuya won ONE TOURNAMENT and reached the finals/semis every other time. Ryu got whooped in his own game and won via cheapshot in his own game. not cool[QUOTE=8324920]Originally posted by Sado22
[B] everyone in the SF tournament was FAR stonger then the guys in the Tekken Tourny. Also Ryu was barely out of his teens in that tournament, Kaz was a grown ass man[QUOTE=8324920]Originally posted by Sado22
[B] not to mention how in SF2 and SF3 he was eliminated as well. and who is the "strong foe" that Ryu obliterated?
Originally posted by Sado22last I checked Kaz hasn't won a fight since Tekken 1 that's far worst then Ryu. at least he was eliminated by Oro and Ken, Kaz got his ass handed to him by his own son.
last i checked Ryu hardly won against anyone strong.....unless you mean Dhalsim..
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Originally posted by Sado22Yeah he is.
Ryu isn't stronger than any version of Gouki either.
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Originally posted by Sado22No he can't
so can Ignitz.
Originally posted by Sado22No he's not [/B][/QUOTE]
cuz he was stronger than Orochi..
Originally posted by Sado22Yes he can, he creates Armageddon, Armageddon is the end of the world, he parted the ocean with a flick of his hand. Just imagine if he was serious, stop hatin
Gill can't
Originally posted by Sado22No 3d fighter can destroy the planet instantly, gouki will beat any 3d fighter you name.
also can we leave Darkstalkers out of this. they are a different planet or realm or something and they aren't even human. Vampires, werewolves, pussygirls, beewoman, mummy...........and god knows what else. doesn't set up a good example since we are comparing HUMAN characters in 2D and 3D[QUOTE=8324920]Originally posted by Sado22
[B]Bottom line, DS are 2d fighters and are aplicaple, we include Orochi, he aint human, we include all characters of Tekken, they got animals and robots. Jinpachi aint human no more and devil and Devil Jin aint human. You just don't wanna include DS because they are from Capcom and they are definetly gonna win. Pyron and Jedah will crush every 3d character at once at the same time.
[QUOTE=8324920]Originally posted by Sado22
[B]now as you can see 3D guys can also destroy planets too. The strongest guy in SF (gouki) can't even come close as i pointed out above.
Hey, I love that show!
aww...man now it don't wanna go on with the arguments. but what the hell. anway these aren't getting anywhere and i'm looking at 3 or 4 pages of this as proof. its getting circular. lets just call it quits. i'll just clear out some things and that's it.
No he can't.
That forest wasn't that big. Those explosions are nothing compared to getting nuked, hit by Shinku and Gou Hadoukens, and Shungokustasu's. Moves made to kill instantly (except the Shinku Hadouken). I'd like to see Jin ward off Bison.
btw...you ever wondered how gouki got there? also how did ryu get there? and top of all that how did you track him down.
Ryu: excuse sir! have you seen this guy...er...big, dark skinned, red fiery hair, really stupid hair-do, sharp teeth, only growls when speaks and has a knack of going around destroying moutains, submarines and everything else....on bad days he even takes people to hell.
random stranger: oh that freak! yeah just go to the ocean and follow your nose.....he's there in the middle of nowhere. last i heard he was trying to jump his way to heaven...real retard...makes you wonder what people are willing to do to get attention...
Ryu: thank you. by the way don't let it get to you. he's actually a nice guy. even saves children and gives fruits to people on better days....just has those messatsu moodswings. but he's a softy at heart. i saw him crying while watching Lion King.
~The Supreme Master of Spamming Sado-sama
Originally posted by Remulous
-Pyron, Orochi if he returns his original body, Jedah, Gill, Morrigan if fused with Lilith, Demtri, and possibly Amakusa and Kouryu. And that's only a few of the characters that can cause massive damage.-vigor emp can't beat Gouki with out the plot device. what I said wasn't ABC logic, it was the truth. No character I mentioned has a plot device, it's all fair and true.
-Oh, and you seem to forget that The Dark Stalkers are 2D fighters. I don't see any 3D character beating them either. Have you seen Pyron? The entire planet isn't even the size of his pinky.
- Gouki can't beat the VE because the VE has the power of all the evil deities including the Dark Dragon and can destory the world along with Gouki. What you were saying was in fact A>B>C logic and was not correct.
- Again, I wasn't referring to Darkstalkers and was referring to SF/KOF. I should've been more specific.
Originally posted by Remulous
No 3d fighter can destroy the planet instantly, gouki will beat any 3d fighter you name.
~The Invincible cRoudO-sama
The unholy alliance...
*in best AC DC imitaion*
Sado: so lock up daughter
Cloud: lock up your wife
Sado: lock up your back door and run for you life
Cloud: *points at Sado* the man is back in town
Sado: don't you mess around...cuz i'm TNT!
Cloud: like dynamite
Sado: TNT
Cloud: and HE'll win that fight
Sado: TNT
Cloud: HE's a power load.
Sado: TNT
Cloud: watch HIM explode
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~The TNT Sado-sama