Originally posted by Endless Mike
Wait, let me get this straight: You say the IG is only universal, LT = IG in power, yet LT is far more than universal, and Eternity, even Multi-Eternity, is inferior to LT.
LT like many other cosmic forces utilizes Mbodys. Which can explain his number of poor showings in continuity.
What im saying is that that IG confrontation is NOT evidence of LT being beyond the IG. There is no evidence of that, therefore people cannot claim him to be because of his role. Role and power level dont necessarily come hand in hand.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
LT like many other cosmic forces utilizes Mbodys. Which can explain his number of poor showings in continuity.What im saying is that that IG confrontation is NOT evidence of LT being beyond the IG. There is no evidence of that, therefore people cannot claim him to be because of his role. Role and power level dont necessarily come hand in hand.
This is me going off of memory since i have read lt or the ig in a bit ... but
In all the multiverse there is but one LT.... if you're seeing LT that's the only one there is.
When AW challenged LT, LT say something about the countless lives and realities that would be lost....
An incomplete IG was shown trying to merge two realities together, however it wouldn't hold since he didn't have the reality gem.
The IG was shown to easily overwhelm all the powers of the universe, including Eternity at the same time.
When LT gave power back to the IG. Just feeling that much power go into the gauntlet caused Eternity to pass out.
LT is not shown greater than the IG. If he were he would have ruled against it. LT only rules against possible multiversal threats... let when LT thought Korvac was powerful enough to endanger other planes.
"Is that the kind of GOD you are".
Its been said that LT's 3 faces refer to:
Eternity, Galactus, Death and/or
Order, Inbetweener, Chaos.
Lets say you have two equally stronger guys
1 guy is a pacifist, the other... crazy. If the pacifist doesn't put up a fight, he automatically loses and possibly dies. That doesn't mean he was weaker, it just means the other guy took advantage of the situation.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And yet LT never proved in that situation he was beyond the IG.He admitted he didnt know how his power would fare against the IGs
He said he it would take a reality destroying confrontation to see if he could enforce his ruling and he avoided such a conflict by talking Adam out of it.
After guilt tripping Adam THEN he applied his ruling.
Thats not evidence that LT is beyond the IG.
Sounds fair. Didn't see Tribunal bowing before Adam. Adam went along, that's how it went. I hope none of us are saying Adam is capable of destroying one who can blink anyone *** out of existence. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
LT like many other cosmic forces utilizes Mbodys. Which can explain his number of poor showings in continuity.What im saying is that that IG confrontation is NOT evidence of LT being beyond the IG. There is no evidence of that, therefore people cannot claim him to be because of his role. Role and power level dont necessarily come hand in hand.
I agree, GS about m bodies.
Originally posted by rotiart
This is me going off of memory since i have read lt or the ig in a bit ... butIn all the multiverse there is but one LT.... if you're seeing LT that's the only one there is.
There is only one LT, who happens to employ Mbodys as illustrated in Quasar:
and as put forward as the reason for his poor showing in the last planet standing.
Originally posted by rotiart
When AW challenged LT, LT say something about the countless lives and realities that would be lost....
No offence but whats your point?
Originally posted by rotiart
An incomplete IG was shown trying to merge two realities together, however it wouldn't hold since he didn't have the reality gem.
No it was NOT.
An incomplete IG was wielded by Magus and was intended to be used to join two universes together.
Magus visualizes his plan:
A portrayal which shows the two universes MERGED.
On the next page Xavier talks of feeling the Earth metamorphosizING:
On the page after that Galactus talks of feeling energy levels up in Magus' dimension and ALTERATIONS in 616:
If the first scene was actuality as opposed to a visualization then Xavier and Galactus would not be feeling something slowly happening as the first scene depicts the realities merged. It was a visualization of a plan which got halted by Magus' opposition.
Originally posted by rotiart
The IG was shown to easily overwhelm all the powers of the universe, including Eternity at the same time.When LT gave power back to the IG. Just feeling that much power go into the gauntlet caused Eternity to pass out.
The crux of the matter is LT interfered with the workings of an inanimate object. He admitted he didnt know how his power would fare against a manned IG.
Originally posted by rotiart
LT is not shown greater than the IG.
Agreed
Originally posted by rotiart
If he were he would have ruled against it. LT only rules against possible multiversal threats... let when LT thought Korvac was powerful enough to endanger other planes."Is that the kind of GOD you are".
Its been said that LT's 3 faces refer to:
Eternity, Galactus, Death and/or
Order, Inbetweener, Chaos.
Not sure what youre talking about here.
Originally posted by rotiart
Lets say you have two equally stronger guys
1 guy is a pacifist, the other... crazy. If the pacifist doesn't put up a fight, he automatically loses and possibly dies. That doesn't mean he was weaker, it just means the other guy took advantage of the situation.
Adam mocked LT and it was portrayed that LT didnt know how his power would fare against the IG.
LT didnt verify his comparative power through a struggle and hasnt done so since via a greater on panel feat.
Interfering with the workings of an inanimate object is very different to overpowering a manned weapon.
Again i refer to my much used analogy.
A mechanic with a wrench can disable a stationary unmanned tank with a wrench and make it unusable for others, however how would that mechanic fare against a manned tank?
Dont get me wrong, im not saying that LT ISNT greater than the IG. Im just saying that that scene in Infinity Watch isnt evidence of it and neither is the fact that his ruling stopped it from working. Especially not when the ruling was applied to an inanimate object and when LT's ruling has since amounted to nothing as the gauntlet has been used in continuity on occassions since his supposed final ruling.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Tsk tsk GS.
😄
What? 😕
Just stating the truth. That that scene isn't irrefutable evidence of LT being greater. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he isn't greater (because his role and the regard other characters have him would suggest he is) however there's no on panel proof that conclusively makes it so.
Originally posted by guy222
Didn't see Tribunal bowing before Adam.
Didnt see anyone bowing before Adam in that scene, whats your point?
Originally posted by guy222
Adam went along, that's how it went.
Adam went along after being guilt tripped. He wasnt forced along through fear or after acknowledging LT as a greater power. He threatened LT and it was presented that LT didnt know how his power compared to the IG.
LT then went on to talk Adam out of a confrontation.
Originally posted by guy222
I hope none of us are saying Adam is capable of destroying one who can blink anyone *** out of existence. 🙂
Anyone? ❌ Most powers? ✅
All im saying is that theres no on panel evidence that LT is greater than the IG. Im not saying hes not as he is held in such high regard and his ROLE would suggest that he is greater than the IG, however when it came down to it, LT certainly wasnt shown to be an omnipotent force who could just overpower the IG if that was his will. He was presented as a cautious, but powerful figure who not knowing his comparative power opted to talk Adam out of a cobfrontation for the good of the reality it is his role to protect.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And yet LT never proved in that situation he was beyond the IG.He admitted he didnt know how his power would fare against the IGs
He said he it would take a reality destroying confrontation to see if he could enforce his ruling and he avoided such a conflict by talking Adam out of it.
After guilt tripping Adam THEN he applied his ruling.
Thats not evidence that LT is beyond the IG.
Even Eternity said on panel that the IG only gave the wearer control over THIS reality. THE IG IS NOT MULTIVERSAL.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Didnt see anyone bowing before Adam in that scene, whats your point?Adam went along after being guilt tripped. He wasnt forced along through fear or after acknowledging LT as a greater power. He threatened LT and it was presented that LT didnt know how his power compared to the IG.
LT then went on to talk Adam out of a confrontation.
Anyone? ❌ Most powers? ✅
All im saying is that theres no on panel evidence that LT is greater than the IG. Im not saying hes not as he is held in such high regard and his ROLE would suggest that he is greater than the IG, however when it came down to it, LT certainly wasnt shown to be an omnipotent force who could just overpower the IG if that was his will. He was presented as a cautious, but powerful figure who not knowing his comparative power opted to talk Adam out of a cobfrontation for the good of the reality it is his role to protect.
Good scans, GS. I have the book as well. One who has the avatar, one who knows all about Living Tribunal. My retort is simple, Living Tribunal is above Adam with IG. I truly value ur opinion. It merits a worthy debate.
For the thread, Thanos w/IG destroys a warper
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Even Eternity said on panel that the IG only gave the wearer control over THIS reality. THE IG IS NOT MULTIVERSAL.
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The point is cemented into continuity even further by the revelation that the IG derives its power from the Big Bang:
Not saying that the IG is greater than LT just saying that the instance ive posted scans of above is NOT evidence of LT being greater. If anything it contradicts such a notion.
Originally posted by guy222
My retort is simple, Living Tribunal is above Adam with IG.
Youre entitled to your opinion, however unsupported it may be lol
Originally posted by guy222
I truly value ur opinion. It merits a worthy debate.
Thank you. I value yours to. 🙂
Originally posted by guy222
For the thread, Thanos w/IG destroys a warper
I tend to agree. 😉
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Even Eternity said on panel that the IG only gave the wearer control over THIS reality. THE IG IS NOT MULTIVERSAL.
MJJ doesn't have any feats that put him above the IG really.
Sure he presumably punked Infinity and Eternity but the IG has does the same thing. Myrlen said that 616 Jaspers was more powerful than 238 but never by how much.
IMO this would be a stalemate but with the possibility of an edge to the IG due to feats and lack of data about MJJ's militations