Here's the Proof
In Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,
it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.
"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,
the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"
"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,
was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)
On Panel verification
"Your presence is an anomaly,
that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"
How the heck is Warping one country fkn up a Universe? dontgetit
No more tap dancing please.
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Here's the ProofIn Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,
it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.
"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,
the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"
"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,
was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)On Panel verification
"Your presence is an anomaly,
that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"
No more tap dancing please. [/B]
Mr. M, who is the most powerful reality warper.
Originally posted by Galan007
How predictable people on these forums are.I figured you or GS would say something like that, which is why I said this in my original post:
FYI, if someone doesn't wish to continue a debate, there is a possibility that a given user is simply tired of talking in circles and doesn't wish to continue in that area.
Why must ego's always get involved when debating?
and how predictable that despite being given a wholly plausible alternative to your theory, that you would deny said plausibility and resort to this pseudo-insult, the same types of retorts you were making to gs.
ego? bro, i SAID your idea may be correct. you are the one denying any possible alternative, you're the one who was unable to refute said alternative and who refused to even address a single question i asked you.
predictable indeed . . .
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Here's the ProofIn Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,
it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.
"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,
the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"
"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,
was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)On Panel verification
"Your presence is an anomaly,
that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"
How the heck is Warping one country fkn up a Universe? dontgetit
No more tap dancing please. [/B]
(a) i wasn't demeaning the feat. i couldn't care less, actually. i just hate piling on. 😄 and i also thought (based on what i'd seen) that the issue could be explained without a universal warp.
(b) YOU have at least presented a lucid counter i can respect. as i said, your stance may well be correct. is it necessary that an entire universe be warped, however, for there to be damage to the continuum? maybe, but maybe not. small alterations can also cause major problems. were the problems in the UK reflected in any other titles? and who is linda? why would her presence in this support your theory? based on the bio it sounds like jaspers created people that stayed around AFTER the warp? is that correct?
not even sure why i'm discussing this really . . . meh. nothing better to do, i guess. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
(a) i wasn't demeaning the feat. i couldn't care less, actually.
Wasn't referring to you, L,
you know who I was talking about 😏
Originally posted by leonidas
i just hate piling on. 😄
Everything was fine until he posted a PM I sent him a few days ago, he lied about the PM and it was Off-Topic and unnecessary to present.
That's when I took the gloves off, and replied with his unwashed Sin.
Originally posted by leonidas
and i also thought (based on what i'd seen) that the issue could be explained without a universal warp.
In a speculative manner? I agree.
But like all things, once the whole picture is painted, we see the whole story.
Originally posted by leonidas
(b) YOU have at least presented a lucid counter i can respect. as i said, your stance may well be correct.
🙂
I believe I was, and now it's conclusive.
Originally posted by leonidas
is it necessary that an entire universe be warped, however, for there to be damage to the continuum? maybe, but maybe not. small alterations can also cause major problems.
While I agree that smaller Warps can damage the Fabric of Reality,
I must disagree that a Country size Warp can damage the Universe.
Atleast I've never seen that happen.
Originally posted by leonidas
were the problems in the UK reflected in any other titles?
The problems in the 616 Continuum were reflected,
and the UK is obviously a minute part of it so ...
Originally posted by leonidas
and who is linda? why would her presence in this support your theory?
Linda is Captain UK of the 238 Universe, she escaped it's demise, her presence in 616 was somehow disrupting the Universe from it's Healing process.
The 616 Universe was Healing from Jaspers Warp.
Originally posted by leonidas
based on the bio it sounds like jaspers created people that stayed around AFTER the warp? is that correct?
The Crazy Gang, were created by Jaspers and were still around afterwards.
Because of Linda the effects of the Jaspers Warp could not die out completely, as they were supposed to along with Jaspers.
Originally posted by leonidas
not even sure why i'm discussing this really . . . meh. nothing better to do, i guess.
😂
Originally posted by leonidasDid I ever once say that you were wrong? ❌
and how predictable that despite being given a wholly plausible alternative to your theory, that you would deny said plausibility and resort to this pseudo-insult, the same types of retorts you were making to gs.ego? bro, i SAID your idea may be correct. you are the one denying any possible alternative, you're the one who was unable to refute said alternative and who refused to even address a single question i asked you.
predictable indeed . . .
I simply said that a theory "another user" posted made no sense.
"This user" was saying that a character which clearly altered the Universe (in my, and nearly everyone else's eyes), only warped a singular country.
I never did see how he came to this conclusion, and I still don't see the reasoning behind this opinion.
Really, it's a moot point now.
There is more then enough evidence to the contrary that blows "this user's" theory away.
Again, I never once called you wrong, or said that your opinion was in any way unsound.
Originally posted by Galan007
Did I ever once say that you were wrong? ❌I simply said that a theory "another user" posted made no sense.
"This user" was saying that a character which clearly altered the Universe (in my, and nearly everyone else's eyes), only warped a singular country.
I never did see how he came to this conclusion, and I still don't see the reasoning behind this opinion.
Really, it's a moot point now.
There is more then enough evidence to the contrary that blows "this user's" theory away.
Again, I never once called you wrong, or said that your opinion was in any way unsound.
fair enough. 😉
Originally posted by Mr Master
While I agree that smaller Warps can damage the Fabric of Reality,I must disagree that a Country size Warp can damage the Universe.
Atleast I've never seen that happen.
hmm, i'm positive there was something like this that happened before -- a small warp, or something like it, causing a BIG BIG problem -- but i can't put my finger on it. i'll think about it a bit and if i can recall the incident i'll let you know.
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'm positive there was something like this that happened before -- a small warp, or something like it, causing a BIG BIG problem -- but i can't put my finger on it. i'll think about it a bit and if i can recall the incident i'll let you know.
Cool.
I did find more evidence to further prove, Jaspers was the 616 Universe.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm
GO down to 'The Mighty World of Marvel #9'
(on the right hand side of the poker dot Jaspers with a Cane)
"Captain Britain entered Jaspers' Office to find Jaspers,
a Giant at ONE with the Universe"
This, coupled with the rest of my evidence,
should make you a "Jaspers was the 616 Universe" ... supporter 😄
Remember, this site is officially approved by Marvel.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool.I did find more evidence to further prove, Jaspers was the 616 Universe.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm
GO down to 'The Mighty World of Marvel #9'
(on the right hand side of the poker dot Jaspers with a Cane)
"Captain Britain entered Jaspers' Office to find Jaspers,
[B]a Giant at ONE with the Universe
"This, coupled with the rest of my evidence,
should make you a "Jaspers was the 616 Universe" ... supporter 😄
Remember, this site is officially approved by Marvel.
Sidious likes Titan w/IG
Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool.I did find more evidence to further prove, Jaspers was the 616 Universe.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm
GO down to 'The Mighty World of Marvel #9'
(on the right hand side of the poker dot Jaspers with a Cane)
"Captain Britain entered Jaspers' Office to find Jaspers,
[B]a Giant at ONE with the Universe
"This, coupled with the rest of my evidence,
should make you a "Jaspers was the 616 Universe" ... supporter 😄
Remember, this site is officially approved by Marvel.
Now now Mr Master, surely you cant be so selective in what information youre willing to accept is the case from the same source in the same article? 😕
Being one with the universe doesnt equate to Jaspers having warped the entire universe. Galactus has been stated to be one with the universe, does that sentence translate in any way, shape or form into Galactus warped the reality of the 616 universe?
I have already shown quite sufficiently that you do not have any on panel statement or depiction conclusively showing your interpretation to be the case. I have also shown how the single ambiguous statement you are trying to present as conclusive evidence, can quite easily be interpreted in the way both i and the handbooks and conveniently enough the marvunapp site has to. You know the site it appears youre quite willing to take as gospel. Youre correct it does say he was one with the universe in that scene, but not only does that not mean what youre trying to say it does in terms of him warping the universe, but on top of that here a few choice quotes from the summary of the issue that very same article gives:
"Jaspers let his reality warp spread across the COUNTRY and presumably the WORLD"
"A gigantic Jaspers watched over the hell he turned London into"
You still have nothing. Whereas i have both on panel AND bio statements defining the size of his reality warp as countrywide (with the bio presuming it to be global)
The issue is conveniently titled "Anarchy in the UK"
Originally posted by Mr MasterHow the heck is Warping one country fkn up a Universe? dontgetit
No more tap dancing please.
Ask Marvel my friend. Not for me to answer, its comic book science, thats not for either of us to understand, just our place to accept what we're fed. 🙂
If anything your evidence hinders your case. Youre illustrating how a small factor can potentially have universal scale consequences.
Jaspers as far as we saw on panel and as character statements lead us to believe and as we are told by the handbooks warped reality over a global scale and yet this comparatively small disruption of reality had affects which rippled across the continuum
Captain UK's no significant power and yet the fact that she was from another reality and therefore an anomaly was enough to prevent the entire universe from healing. (Very bad choice of evidence 😱 )
Legion merely time travelled and killed Xavier. This small action had multiversal scale consequences and threatened to plunge all reality into chaos as illustrated in Legion Quest.
Your evidence failed to achieve its objective.
That will be all.
