Originally posted by Board Walker
I know of every single one of SS speed feats, as well as almost every one of his comic appearances, I have seen his time traveling feats, his blitzing feats.When compared to Flash's speed feats though, Surfer does not compare, in particular Flash's nuke feat which out classes all of Surfers speed feats.
Now zoom is some one who schooled flash in speed, and when some one can keep up with Zoom it means they likely can keep up with SS and other "fast" individuals
I agree with you to some extent, but honestly
high end speed feats get a bit tricky, and just plain borderline silly.
honestly, i hate debateing TIPPY top tier speed feets (flash, zoom, and even some of surfers)
But honestly, Surfer has traveled at hundreds of times the speed of light
Flash has done the same, and zoom ??????
either way When your going that fast IMO, i KNOW diana can react to surfer, at the same time, surfer is still incredibly fast, even for diana (but not too fast where she wont know whats going on).
bottom line, Surfer can use his speed for other reasons in this fight, such as distance if required.
IT would just get messy to argue his speed versus her reaction time. but at the same time, diana has never been portrayed to consistantly be a "speeder" type like flash, surfer or zoom
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Well I am sorry you are just a master debater. I mean you are totally right, WW can totally beat SS beacuse she is invulnerable when she uses her bracelets.That is pretty much the only argument you have made regarding how SS can't beat her, but that doesn't exactly help her win does it?
Your right, allow me to better explain, she doesn't even need to use the invincibility to "camp".
She could go and engage him in direct combat, what is SS going to do to her? Is he going to matter manipulate her, he has as good of a chance doing that as he does to Thor.
Is he going to speed blitz her? He has as good of a chance as he does as speed blitzing Superman or Thor.
Now the question is, how can she hurt SS? Well for one, she could pummel him with melee, that in conjunction with the gauntlets she could easily KO him; SS can and has been many times KO'ed by pure melee.
Or she could slay him with the sword, which can hurt and kill skyfather level beings.
The crossing her bracelets for invincibility could be used to summon the godwave.
Really Im just trying to show the uninformed that its not always SS>all
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
I agree with you to some extent, but honestlyhigh end speed feats get a bit tricky, and just plain borderline silly.
honestly, i hate debateing TIPPY top tier speed feets (flash, zoom, and even some of surfers)
But honestly, Surfer has traveled at hundreds of times the speed of light
Flash has done the same, and zoom ??????
either way When your going that fast IMO, i KNOW diana can react to surfer, at the same time, surfer is still incredibly fast, even for diana (but not too fast where she wont know whats going on).
bottom line, Surfer can use his speed for other reasons in this fight, such as distance if required.
IT would just get messy to argue his speed versus her reaction time. but at the same time, diana has never been portrayed to consistantly be a "speeder" type like flash, surfer or zoom
I agree to an extent as well, and surfers top confirmed speed in comics, was some thing around hundreds of times the speed of light. Flash's top speed feet (which all the math for it is shown on the thread which discusses it) is around 890 billion times the speed of light, search for Odin Vs the JLA, it was in that thread.
Your right, base Diana with no items can react and keep up with Flash/superman/Zoom to an extent, and you are completely right, Surfer could use his speed to keep distance and pelt her to death with energy blast. Thus why I gave Diana the boots, which will if anything give her the edge in speed over SS.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Your right, allow me to better explain, she doesn't even need to use the invincibility to "camp".She could go and engage him in direct combat, what is SS going to do to her? Is he going to matter manipulate her, he has as good of a chance doing that as he does to Thor.
Is he going to speed blitz her? He has as good of a chance as he does as speed blitzing Superman or Thor.
Now the question is, how can she hurt SS? Well for one, she could pummel him with melee, that in conjunction with the gauntlets she could easily KO him; SS can and has been many times KO'ed by pure melee.
Or she could slay him with the sword, which can hurt and kill skyfather level beings.
The crossing her bracelets for invincibility could be used to summon the godwave.
Really Im just trying to show the uninformed that its not always SS>all
Read my prevous response which summarizes why I think he will win. Much of it has to do with settings.
I would never argue that SS would take WW in a melee situation, especailly with all her gear. I however don't think she will be able to get that close to him, as he fires off planet destroying blast at her and flying around at many many times the speed of light. SS isn't just going to sit there.
I think it would be interesting to see how strong a SS shield is, and how easily she would break it (I know she could) but it held an angry hulk for a while.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Your right, allow me to better explain, she doesn't even need to use the invincibility to "camp".She could go and engage him in direct combat, what is SS going to do to her? Is he going to matter manipulate her, he has as good of a chance doing that as he does to Thor.
Is he going to speed blitz her? He has as good of a chance as he does as speed blitzing Superman or Thor.
Now the question is, how can she hurt SS? Well for one, she could pummel him with melee, that in conjunction with the gauntlets she could easily KO him; SS can and has been many times KO'ed by pure melee.
Or she could slay him with the sword, which can hurt and kill skyfather level beings.
The crossing her bracelets for invincibility could be used to summon the godwave.
Really Im just trying to show the uninformed that its not always SS>all
On the other hand, opening a black hole on top of diana would proably cause some serious issues, not to mention close range energy projection would defiantely keep her from pounding him into oblivion
As diana attempts to connect with surfers skull, she is sent flying 900 feet into the sky by a powerful eye blast
Surfer can keep up in melee, in fisticuffs? no, but in melee, aboslutely. It might not be the smartest approach, but i would see it as a part of a larger plan. if that makes any sense. I cant tell myself without cracking a smile that diana would just run over surfer at close range. It doesnt make sense
Revised list of her items
Golden Girdle of Gaea
The divine Lasso - Has restrained/incapacitated beings as powerful as Area, and Hades, Ares in DC has shown to be as much as abstract level in his run when was taking over DC.
Sandals of Hermes
Gauntlets of Atlas - Magnifies the wearers strength by ten fold
Lansinar Disc
Complete Golden Armor
Sword of Hephaestus
Labrys
Aegis shield
Bracelets of Victory
Originally posted by Board Walker
I agree to an extent as well, and surfers top confirmed speed in comics, was some thing around hundreds of times the speed of light. Flash's top speed feet (which all the math for it is shown on the thread which discusses it) is around 890 billion times the speed of light, search for Odin Vs the JLA, it was in that thread.Your right, base Diana with no items can react and keep up with Flash/superman/Zoom to an extent, and you are completely right, Surfer could use his speed to keep distance and pelt her to death with energy blast. Thus why I gave Diana the boots, which will if anything give her the edge in speed over SS.
I don't agree with your assesment of SS speed and this is most likely the major reason for our agrument.
SS has been shown on panel to travel an entire light year in the blink of an eye (IG). That is over 3 billion times the speed of light (assuming .01 seconds passed), I think that is a conservative assumption considering it was fast enough to sneek up on Thanos when he had the IG. There was also no writing on panel to make us question the speed.
This isn't even his largest speed feat. I will have to re-read the issue, but when he was towing legacy, he went thousands of light years almost instantaniously. I honestly can't remember the issue, but it was really fast, and certainly comparable to the Flash Korea Nuke incident.
Wonder Woman can not compete with Zoom. Zoom took her on a world tour and then CISed himself into the lasso.
The Aegis shield isn't an item. It's what happens when she crosses her vambraces.
For reference: This is the only appearance of Wonder Woman with the Godwave that I know of. Interpret as you will.
I for one however am not at all convinced by that single appearance that she can take Surfer's speed and versatility. Furthermore she can only use the Godwave for short periods of time.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
On the other hand, opening a black hole on top of diana would proably cause some serious issues, not to mention close range energy projection would defiantely keep her from pounding him into oblivionAs diana attempts to connect with surfers skull, she is sent flying 900 feet into the sky by a powerful eye blast
Surfer can keep up in melee, in fisticuffs? no, but in melee, aboslutely. It might not be the smartest approach, but i would see it as a part of a larger plan. if that makes any sense. I cant tell myself without cracking a smile that diana would just run over surfer at close range. It doesnt make sense
Your right, base Diana with no items can react with Flash/superman/Zoom to an extent, and you are completely right, Surfer could use his speed to keep distance and pelt her to death with energy blast. Thus why I gave Diana the boots, which will if anything give her the edge in speed over SS.
That is why I included the Sandals of Hermes, which if anything gives her speed beyond SS, so getting to him is not a problem, this is an item which gives her speed to the point where she can effortlessly move from dimension to dimension with her speed.
SS can travel dimensions as well, but can he do it instantly, and does he move this fast constantly in combat? No.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wonder Woman can not compete with Zoom. Zoom took her on a world tour and then CISed himself into the lasso.The Aegis shield isn't an item. It's what happens when she crosses her vambraces.
For reference: This is the only appearance of Wonder Woman with the Godwave that I know of. Interpret as you will.
I for one however am not at all convinced by that single appearance that she can take Surfer's speed and versatility. Furthermore she can only use the Godwave for short periods of time.
The zoom part is my point that she can react to fast characters, being able to keep up with SS? Thats due to the sandals of Hermes as I posted above.
To see the godwave at its absolute best is see when Ares is using it.
Originally posted by Board WalkerHow fast has she traveled wearing the Sandals of Hermes? Do you have anything whatsoever to indicate that she'd be able to move as fast as Surfer?
The zoom part is my point that she can react to fast characters, being able to keep up with SS? Thats due to the sandals of Hermes as I posted above.
Originally posted by Board WalkerShe's not Ares.
To see the godwave at its absolute best is see when Ares is using it.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How fast has she traveled wearing the Sandals of Hermes? Do you have anything whatsoever to indicate that she'd be able to move as fast as Surfer?
She's not Ares.
She used the sandals when she was passing from Themyscira to the outside existance, gives her the power/speed needed for transdimension movement.
Originally posted by Board WalkerIndeed. Yes it allows her to cross dimensional barriers and apparently teleportation. Seen the scan.
She used the sandals when she was passing from Themyscira to the outside existance, gives her the power/speed needed for transdimension movement.
But do you have any feats of pure speed with the Sandals, pray tell?
