Enraged Hulk Vs Odin: Slugfest!

the hell . . .?

why was that thread closed?? 🤨

it was actually turning into a good discussion. i'd just written up a *&^%$ reply and as i was posting, it was closed!

no, it was NOT the mismatch it first appeared, so please leave this one open for a while to see if anyone will raise logical points.

i'll add one extra bit: in THIS fight hulk is ALREADY in an enraged state that puts him WELL above his base level . . .

the rest stays the same: odin can ONLY use strength, though he CAN use the the odinpower to amp his strength. no outside powers, weapons, etc. pure h2h.

anyway, picking up from where we left off . . .

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newjak said:

Exactly and how strong is count nefaria again. Pretty strong and it may have been an ode the point is that he didn't show any actual power to his feat. He just held. No Magic or anything through purely physical means he was able to show the ability to temporaly keep it from coming back to Thor.

Hulk's feats are good but nothing that Silver Surfer hasn't done through his energy manipulation yet see how powers fair next to Odin.

Odin beinga Skyfather should always be a step ahead of Hulk. Since Hulk's power output is effected by his rage. Odin has no such thing I'm pretty sure he could use his power that has helped destroy Galaxies and amp his strength up to a level that Hulk would have a hard time reaching without a long hard time.

i'm still not clear on how you see what zeus did with the hammer as a strength feat. he stopped it in flight (sure he needs to be strong to do that, but that's not all that impressive) -- what he REALLY did was overcome the enchantment that has it return to thor. he impeded it. not by being 'strong', but by simply being a skyfather. why would he need to use a spell? he IS a skyfather, so he overcame the enchantment, briefly. i'd like to have seen him try and pick it up -- i'm guessing he COULD pick it up, he's both a skyfather AND likely worthy. but THAT wouldn't be a strength feat either . . .

anyway. for odin to beat hulk he would need to:

(A) amp almost instantly (something i've NEVER seen him do)
(B) ko a savage hulk with JUST strength

the latter has almost NEVER been done in the 40+ years of the character's history. the titannus incident has been explained away as gamma stealing PIS. you also need to watch WHICH incarnation you're dealing with.

savage hulk, in pure slugfest is almost NEVER beaten. stalemated? sure, at times, but generally he almost NEVER loses. (he DID put a bad beating on thor when thor was without his hammer). i'd be impressed if you could name a time where savge hulk is ko'd in a straight slugfest where ONLY strength is involved. it HAS happened, but it is VERY rare . . . that's something hulk-bashers don't always realize . . .

you compared what hulk did with STRENGTH to what ss did with . . . PC . . .? not sure i get the comparison. ss can do WAAAYYYYY more than hulk can, but . . . not using just strength. i only brought up the points to say that hulk's strength can and HAS broken 'physical' laws. in that way, hulk's strength is almost as unnatural as odin's power.

and about your point regarding immortal herc stalemating hulk. you're right, but who knows how that fight would have ended. oh, and herc has done this as well . . .

so much for not being able to put a skyfather down via purely physical force. 😄

ps--herc friggin' ROCKSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! 😱

I wonder if opening closed threads is allowed 😕

It was turning into a flame battle I guess.

physically, isnt it said that the Olympians are "individually" stronger than the Asgardians?

anyway, through physical means only, and no amping, i give the contest to hulk...

Coming next week - Enraged Hulk vs. Doctor Strange; h2h fight only!!! 🙄

My commentary for the day. Enjoy the thread, such as it is.

Meh, it had some reports. My apologies.

I can re-open the old one if it was legit though.

Originally posted by leonidas
the hell . . .?

why was that thread closed?? 🤨

it was actually turning into a good discussion. i'd just written up a *&^%$ reply and as i was posting, it was closed!

no, it was NOT the mismatch it first appeared, so please leave this one open for a while to see if anyone will raise logical points.

[b]i'll add one extra bit: in THIS fight hulk is ALREADY in an enraged state that puts him WELL above his base level . . .

the rest stays the same: odin can ONLY use strength, though he CAN use the the odinpower to amp his strength. no outside powers, weapons, etc. pure h2h.

anyway, picking up from where we left off . . .

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newjak said:

i'm still not clear on how you see what zeus did with the hammer as a strength feat. he stopped it in flight (sure he needs to be strong to do that, but that's not all that impressive) -- what he REALLY did was overcome the enchantment that has it return to thor. he impeded it. not by being 'strong', but by simply being a skyfather. why would he need to use a spell? he IS a skyfather, so he overcame the enchantment, briefly. i'd like to have seen him try and pick it up -- i'm guessing he COULD pick it up, he's both a skyfather AND likely worthy. but THAT wouldn't be a strength feat either . . .

anyway. for odin to beat hulk he would need to:

(A) amp almost instantly (something i've NEVER seen him do)
(B) ko a savage hulk with JUST strength

the latter has almost NEVER been done in the 40+ years of the character's history. the titannus incident has been explained away as gamma stealing PIS. you also need to watch WHICH incarnation you're dealing with.

savage hulk, in pure slugfest is almost NEVER beaten. stalemated? sure, at times, but generally he almost NEVER loses. (he DID put a bad beating on thor when thor was without his hammer). i'd be impressed if you could name a time where savge hulk is ko'd in a straight slugfest where ONLY strength is involved. it HAS happened, but it is VERY rare . . . that's something hulk-bashers don't always realize . . .

you compared what hulk did with STRENGTH to what ss did with . . . PC . . .? not sure i get the comparison. ss can do WAAAYYYYY more than hulk can, but . . . not using just strength. i only brought up the points to say that hulk's strength can and HAS broken 'physical' laws. in that way, hulk's strength is almost as unnatural as odin's power.

and about your point regarding immortal herc stalemating hulk. you're right, but who knows how that fight would have ended. oh, and herc has done this as well . . .

so much for not being able to put a skyfather down via purely physical force. 😄

ps--herc friggin' ROCKSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! 😱 [/B]

Odin wins, but one punch from Hulk down goes man with a beard

Odin instantly amps his strength to ridiculous levels before Hulk can amp his power with anger and then he one shots Hulk across the galaxy.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm still not clear on how you see what zeus did with the hammer as a strength feat. he stopped it in flight (sure he needs to be strong to do that, but that's not all that impressive) -- what he REALLY did was overcome the enchantment that has it return to thor. he impeded it. not by being 'strong', but by simply being a skyfather. why would he need to use a spell? he IS a skyfather, so he overcame the enchantment, briefly. i'd like to have seen him try and pick it up -- i'm guessing he COULD pick it up, he's both a skyfather AND likely worthy. but THAT wouldn't be a strength feat either . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
the latter has almost NEVER been done in the 40+ years of the character's history. the titannus incident has been explained away as gamma stealing PIS. you also need to watch WHICH incarnation you're dealing with.

savage hulk, in pure slugfest is almost NEVER beaten. stalemated? sure, at times, but generally he almost NEVER loses. (he DID put a bad beating on thor when thor was without his hammer). i'd be impressed if you could name a time where savge hulk is ko'd in a straight slugfest where ONLY strength is involved. it HAS happened, but it is VERY rare . . . that's something hulk-bashers don't always realize . . .

Anyways now that is out of the way
Classic Juggernaut stalemated Hulk without any clear cut winner being shown or determined from the battle.
Herc stalemated Hulk without any damage done to himself. He even had enough afterwards to place a Train back on its tracks.
Abomination has stalemated the Hulk for long periods of time.
wendigo has made the Hulk afraid and sasquash has stalemated him in battle
the Leader in Rhino's body faired really well against the Hulk.
Hulk Killer Humanoid beat the saage Hulk and Banner was the reason he won.

All of these above examples have a few things in common. For one they all involve purely physical battles. Next they all involve the Savage Hulk. Finally they all involve people much lower in power than a Skyfather.

Originally posted by leonidas
you compared what hulk did with STRENGTH to what ss did with . . . PC . . .? not sure i get the comparison. ss can do WAAAYYYYY more than hulk can, but . . . not using just strength. i only brought up the points to say that hulk's strength can and HAS broken 'physical' laws. in that way, hulk's strength is almost as unnatural as odin's power.

Either way here is what theoritcal battle goes down to. Can Hulk's power match Odin's of which we can not be sure. Hulk's power source has never been defined completely and shown what it can truely do. What we do know though is that creatures much weaker in power than a Skyfather has managed to go toe to toe with an angry Hulk which would mean if his powersource is great it doesn't go completely from 0 to 100 like that.

So if a casual blast from Odin cna take down the Surfer than I would think power being amped into high powered punch that has helped destroy galaxies could in fact KO the Hulk in one blow. There is nothing to say otherwise.

By the way I would like to repeat that I don't see how Hulk could take down a Skyfather level being by pure physical means. Odin would keep rising up no matter how strong Hulk got because while his physical abilities can do things against supernatural forces his strength is still only exerting physical power.

Originally posted by leonidas

so much for not being able to put a skyfather down via purely physical force. 😄

ps--herc friggin' ROCKSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! 😱

Enraged Hulk at Onslaught's level ? Odin goes down fast.

I don't see anyone beating an enraged hulk in a slugfest. No plot devices, no bad writing. In strenght/slugfest/brawl departement Hulk is #1 in comics.

Originally posted by Newjak
I will stop with this point. You very well may be right. I have no way to disprove that Zeus' Rank wasn't the reason his stopped Thor's Hammer. Although I will say it makes no mention of his power. It only shows that Zeus grabs the hammer.

🙂

Since you brought out that What If where Herc beats on his Fatehr I'm going to break out the What If where Classic Thor breaks Savage Hulk's neck 😱

that wasn't a what if. it was a possible future and an extended ltd series. 😄 what bookdid thor break hulk's neck, and did he d it in purely single physical combat? hulk pwned him badly while they went at it h2h without a hammer . . . in that was IN continuity . . . 😬

Anyways now that is out of the way
Classic Juggernaut stalemated Hulk without any clear cut winner being shown or determined from the battle.
Herc stalemated Hulk without any damage done to himself. He even had enough afterwards to place a Train back on its tracks.
Abomination has stalemated the Hulk for long periods of time.
wendigo has made the Hulk afraid and sasquash has stalemated him in battle
the Leader in Rhino's body faired really well against the Hulk.
Hulk Killer Humanoid beat the saage Hulk and Banner was the reason he won.

all true, but hkh aside no one beat him. 🙂

All of these above examples have a few things in common. For one they all involve purely physical battles. Next they all involve the Savage Hulk. Finally they all involve people much lower in power than a Skyfather.

but like i said, none have beaten hulk either.

I was using it as a point of reference to the power of a skyfather. as SS argueabley is one of the best energy weilders in the universe. He also has one of the best durability factors against energy. Yet none this stopped him from being one shotted by Odin with ease. Plus hasn't the Hulk fought Silver Surfer before.

ss's never fought hulk only h2h as is the case here. if he ONLY went h2h, i doubt ss would win. wm thor has ko'd ss with physical strength alone, and ss didn't seem able to match him.

Either way here is what theoritcal battle goes down to. Can Hulk's power match Odin's of which we can not be sure. Hulk's power source has never been defined completely and shown what it can truely do. What we do know though is that creatures much weaker in power than a Skyfather has managed to go toe to toe with an angry Hulk which would mean if his powersource is great it doesn't go completely from 0 to 100 like that.

So if a casual blast from Odin cna take down the Surfer than I would think power being amped into high powered punch that has helped destroy galaxies could in fact KO the Hulk in one blow. There is nothing to say otherwise.

you MAY well be right. i however liken hulk a lot to mangog and his ability to amp his strength via hate in the old days, and odin feared mangog . . .

By the way I would like to repeat that I don't see how Hulk could take down a Skyfather level being by pure physical means. Odin would keep rising up no matter how strong Hulk got because while his physical abilities can do things against supernatural forces his strength is still only exerting physical power.

true, but hulk himself has some oddities that extend beyond physical. he sees astral bodies for some reason and has been shown his strength defies physical laws.

to me it boils down to this: odin has NEVER been shown to amp his strength with his power. i could call up a few low end feats for odin since everyone seems to bring up his galaxy-destroying power. in the respect thread for hulk is there not a scan of his shaking an entire DIMENSION with punches . . .?

meh, like i said, this is purely physical and theoretical. in reality, odin would crush hulk. look at some of hulk's feats though. using strictly his theoretical limits it's hard to see hulk losing many h2h fights.

i'm curious -- how do you think the armored onslaught would fare against odin, with his reality altering powers and everything . . .?

Herc is the man I mean he got Galactus to drink with him. 😛

beats being turned into protoplasm. 😬

ps--thanks digi. didn't know it was you who closed the thread, but thanks for giving this one a chance. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
🙂
that wasn't a what if. it was a possible future and an extended ltd series. 😄 what bookdid thor break hulk's neck, and did he d it in purely single physical combat? hulk pwned him badly while they went at it h2h without a hammer . . . in that was IN continuity . . . 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
all true, but hkh aside no one beat him. 🙂

but like i said, none have beaten hulk either.

Anyways I think the big point is that while they didn't win some of them stalemated him and I think it is even bigger to notice that those that can stalemate him are far from Skyfather level. It just goes to show that Hulk's raw power isn't always up to snuff

Originally posted by leonidas
ss's never fought hulk only h2h as is the case here. if he ONLY went h2h, i doubt ss would win. wm thor has ko'd ss with physical strength alone, and ss didn't seem able to match him.

Originally posted by leonidas
you MAY well be right. i however liken hulk a lot to mangog and his ability to amp his strength via hate in the old days, and odin feared mangog . . .

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Originally posted by leonidas
true, but hulk himself has some oddities that extend beyond physical. he sees astral bodies for some reason and has been shown his strength defies physical laws.

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Originally posted by leonidas
to me it boils down to this: odin has NEVER been shown to amp his strength with his power. i could call up a few low end feats for odin since everyone seems to bring up his galaxy-destroying power. in the respect thread for hulk is there not a scan of his shaking an entire DIMENSION with punches . . .?

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Originally posted by leonidas
meh, like i said, this is purely physical and theoretical. in reality, odin would crush hulk. look at some of hulk's feats though. using strictly his theoretical limits it's hard to see hulk losing many h2h fights.

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Originally posted by leonidas
i'm curious -- how do you think the armored onslaught would fare against odin, with his reality altering powers and everything . . .?

Anyways good discussion. Therotically yea the Hulk could match Odin in strength depending on how far reaching you truely think Hulk's power is. Although I am still unsure how well Hulk could put down Odin if the Odinpower would keep Odin healthy from Hulk's punches.

Odin.
He has amped himself up to a level to fight Sutur in h2h.

Hell, he has even bitchslapped Thanos. More than Hulk can say.

Odin doesn't just win, he wins in a stomp.

Odin would try really hard but in a slugfest, he's gonna get his over the hill, old fart, scrawny body all beaten and broken. Hulk would lay waste to the one eyed geriatric has been.

Originally posted by bigbran
Odin.
He has amped himself up to a level to fight Sutur in h2h.

Hell, he has even bitchslapped Thanos. More than Hulk can say.

Odin doesn't just win, he wins in a stomp.

be interesting to see what would happen if hulkj was made to be 1000 feet tall, or surtur was shrunk to hulk's size. and he matched him for a moment only before they were both lost. hard to gain anything from that.

using just strength, i'm still not at all convinced hulk doesn't have a chance here, and i certainly don't think it's a stomp.

Originally posted by leonidas

using just strength, i'm still not at all convinced hulk doesn't have a chance here, and i certainly don't think it's a stomp.

Well can't Odin amp his strength instantly w/ Odin power?

If he can then for the begining he should have a massive strength advantage since Hulk needs time to reach his max.

Hmmm... I still say Odin wins. Odin is still a trained warrior, he'll find a way to put Hulk down. Captain America was able to stop Hulk with pressure points, Odin should be able to that, although I doubt that he's as quick and agile as Cap, he'll manage to do it some how. Odin will just have to avoid going toe to toe with Hulk, because if he does, he'll end up being KOed if he take to many hits.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well can't Odin amp his strength instantly w/ Odin power?

If he can then for the begining he should have a massive strength advantage since Hulk needs time to reach his max.

The thread starter said that Hulk starts the battle already enraged.

ODIN IS THE GOD OF GODS!!! hulk loses

HULK WINS!!!!!!!

No one can beat an enraged Hulk when he does not want to be beaten.

Hulk is the strongest creature of the MU.

Odin would lose.