Originally posted by Endless Mike
If we want to do this scientifically, we could say that, at most, Surfer could destroy a solar system, while Odin could destroy a galaxy (this is simplified, likely they could both destroy more, but the ratio is pretty much the same).Anyway, due to the inverse - square law (I did these calculations earlier for something else), it takes about 1e68j of energy to destroy a solar system the size of our own, and 1e82j to destroy a galaxy the size of our own.
That makes Odin equal to approximately 100,000,000,000,000 Surfers
Originally posted by Scoobless
Tx ... at some point I may even read through those.🙂
Its like trying to read Macbeth Othello or the Tempest. Thank God they don't write comics like that anymore.
There's no way that Odin was at Galaxy destroying, multi verse shaking level when he eventually died at the hands of Sutur. I mean King Thor had trouble reconstructing the moon, let a lone destroying Galaxies. And its funny how Odin has apparently destroyed entire galaxies and no one even makes reference to it, yet when Galactus destroys a few solar systems its referred to as the 'Galactus Event'. IMO the sophistication of comics as led to the logical de powering of various of its more 'Opnipotent' characters.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Jurgens apparently thought that the moon repairing was a big feat.Thor fans at Alvaros laughed at that, knowing what Odin has done in the past with the OdinForce.
It still amazes me how people can say that Darkseid trumps Odin.
Because Darkseid had destroyed almost all the "gods" in his Universe pre Crisis. He was the God the Devil prayed to! That though was then! Whilst not officially being a popst crisis character he does seem depowered avatars, clones or not!
Originally posted by UniOmni
Jurgens apparently thought that the moon repairing was a big feat.Thor fans at Alvaros laughed at that, knowing what Odin has done in the past with the OdinForce.
It still amazes me how people can say that Darkseid trumps Odin.
Darksid should be able to trumps Odin IMO, as his Mythology is far more immense. Odin is a God of earth, where as Darksied is a Universal God. Superman should be what Thor is to Galactus, as to Darksied. But even i would hate to see Darksied destroying Galaxies and shaking Multi verses. The energies needed to accomplish such feats are well truly absurd, and consequently make a character logically unbeatable.
My favourite scientist proposed a state in which a entire civilisation could potentially reach.
Type 1 Controls the energy of an Entire planet.
Type 2 Controls the entire energy out put of a star
Type 3 controls the entire energy out put of a Galaxy.
If Marvel or D.C. are going to have a character interacting and causing conflict on a regular basis, they should never be able to exceed the energy out put of a Type 3 Civilisation, unless they're an abstract entity such as Eternity, where the laws of physics don't really apply.
Originally posted by Magee
Why use a real life logical GUESS about civilisations by some random scientist and compare it with something in a comic book, does it bother you that much? Also I'm pretty sure the first type is to control and harness the power of the atom/nuclear energy.
I'm not saying that it is the case, I'm saying it SHOULD be the case. Read the post carefully before jumping down my throat with the usual KMC stuck record crap, about logistics and comics. The more realistic the medium, the better even in a cosmic sense. I am a Sci fi nut though, and I hate the non consistent Deus Ex machina approach typically used. For example, in those scans Mangog apparently has the power of a Billion Billion souls, (which is enough to match Odin's Galaxy destroying power). Yet when he punch from this truly cosmic character only has enough strength to dislodge the road slightly. Inconsistency like this really pisses me off. Things like this make me go W.T.F. ?? why did the writer have to have Mangog punching the road in the first place?, as doesn't really have any significance on the plot. To me its juvenile and lazy writing.
And no you are wrong on the second part.
Originally posted by namhaY
I'm not saying that it is the case, I'm saying it SHOULD be the case. Read the post carefully before jumping down my throat with the usual KMC stuck record crap, about logistics and comics. The more realistic the medium, the better even in a cosmic sense. I am a Sci fi nut though, and I hate the non consistent Deus Ex machina approach typically used. For example, in those scans Mangog apparently has the power of a Billion Billion souls, (which is enough to match Odin's Galaxy destroying power). Yet when he punch from this truly cosmic character only has enough strength to dislodge the road slightly. Inconsistency like this really pisses me off. Things like this make me go W.T.F. ?? why did the writer have to have Mangog punching the road in the first place?, as doesn't really have any significance on the plot. To me its juvenile and lazy writing.And no you are wrong on the second part.
Originally posted by namhaY (<😉
Darksid should be able to trumps Odin IMO, as his Mythology is far more immense. Odin is a God of earth, where as Darksied is a Universal God. Superman should be what Thor is to Galactus, as to Darksied. But even i would hate to see Darksied destroying Galaxies and shaking Multi verses. The energies needed to accomplish such feats are well truly absurd, and consequently make a character logically unbeatable.My favourite scientist proposed a state in which a entire civilisation could potentially reach.
Type 1 Controls the energy of an Entire planet.
Type 2 Controls the entire energy out put of a star
Type 3 controls the entire energy out put of a Galaxy.
If Marvel or D.C. are going to have a character interacting and causing conflict on a regular basis, they should never be able to exceed the energy out put of a Type 3 Civilisation, unless they're an abstract entity such as Eternity, where the laws of physics don't really apply.
Darkseid's mythology is more immense?
Both are Gods that are representations of humanity.
Darkseid is a New God, aka God of Technology, the New Idols of Man.
Odin is an Old God, aka God of the Oldways, the Old Ways of Men.
Darkseid isn't a universal god.
Darkseid's character doesn't even lend him to arena type battles. He's a schemer, or supposed to be at least.
Odin is a warrior type, and as such his feats lend him to battles.
He's shaken the multiverse, destroyed galaxies, moved the Asgard from its point in time and space while weakened, done mass teleportations, has recreated dead races with little fanfare, and even given them false gods to worship.
Dude is top of the heap, and Darkseid damn sure isn't, due to numerous beatings and disrespectful showings by DC's Icon.
Originally posted by Magee
Usual kmc stuck record crap? It is my opinion that real life logic should not ALWAYS be applied to comics. Thinking about it how can you compare galaxy destroying power to real life or even make a comparison as comics are the only thing you have to go by on that and how do you know the amount of power some one with billions of dead souls has? Its fantasy, not real which is why you shouldn't get so worked up about it.
Mate i have no idea what relevance you think this has to what i stated previously, you obviously completely misinterpreted what i meant.
Originally posted by Magee
Have you not realised comics contain some of the biggest inconsistent canon material anywhere. I mean DC and Marvel are always contradicting themselves, their characters consistently job to others, they make mistakes then retcon them and just fuk the situation up even more.
My point is Rhetorical i.e. i know that comics are like that, but they don't necessarily have to be that way. Which is why i tend to stay away from such comics, and read issues published by more prolific writers. 🙂
Originally posted by The Libertine
🙂 hmmm.
I had just recently read the Thor "Madness" storyline "Blood & Thunder" ... in it, Odin treated Surfer like a housefly and instantly shattered a containment trap that was exactly like the one imprisoning Thor, who was very angry and in possession of the Power Gem.
Originally posted by Scoobless
I had just recently read the Thor "Madness" storyline "Blood & Thunder" ... in it, Odin treated Surfer like a housefly and instantly shattered a containment trap that was exactly like the one imprisoning Thor, who was very angry and in possession of the Power Gem.
Yes he did.