Islam Questions

Originally posted by lord xyz
Just all the crazy rules Islam has, Christianity has, and all the things that people associate with Islam ie terrorism and fundamentalism, are also to do with christianity.

Christianity is a faith. Its a religion and can be personal. We are all withness to that.

Islam is not a faith. Islam by its definition is NOT a faith.
Islam is socio-political, socio-religious, economical, educational, juristric, legislative, militaristic system, cloaked in religious terminology.

And until you actually know a great deal about Islam, this will not be apperant to you

Second, coming from the east, I promise you, i have NEVER heard Jihad to be an inner struggle. Never ever. I was never thought jihad was an inner struggle, and the only time I actually came across that idea was when I moved to west (England) - so from a (tiny bit more) reliable source, Jihad is a holy War.
Mujahedeen are warriors and Shahids are the suicide bombers (Shahid literal translation means martyr, so that implies that)

The city I was born in, was called (thought not officially renamed)long time ago Dar Ul Jihad
Which means The House of War - not the ''politically correct house of inner struggle'' - it means The House of War.

While I certainly agree with many of your points Lil. To me and too many other people as well Islam can be more than a socio-political way to organise society. It can be, and is, a religion of peace for millions of people.

Granted the socio-political aspect has become more obvious than the religious aspect. But saying that it isn't a religion at all seems a bit too far to me.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Here are mainpoints

Christianity is a faith. Its a religion and can be personal. We are all withness to that.

Islam is not a faith. Islam by its definition is NOT a faith.
Islam is socio-political, socio-religious, economical, educational, juristric, legislative, militaristic system, cloaked in religious terminology.

And until you actually know a great deal about Islam, this will not be apperant to you

Second, coming from the east, I promise you, i have NEVER heard Jihad to be an inner struggle. Never ever. I was never thought jihad was an inner struggle, and the only time I actually came across that idea was when I moved to west (England) - so from a (tiny bit more) reliable source, Jihad is a holy War.
Mujahedeen are warriors and Shahids are the suicide bombers (Shahid literal translation means martyr, so that implies that)

The city I was born in, was called (thought not officially renamed)long time ago [b]Dar Ul Jihad
Which means The House of War - not the ''politically correct house of inner struggle'' - it means The House of War. [/B]

Sorry lil but you still ignorant of Islam .

Originally posted by Fatima
Sorry lil but you still ignorant of Islam .

The thing is, I am not. I know a lot about Islam. I grew up around Islam.
And do not ever look upon me as a Westener, because I am not one, thus I am not Politically Correct, and I am not ingorant of Islam or its history.
Which means that you cannot feed me crap about Islam, the way you can them.

So, lets look at the current events, around the world, involving Muslims.

[list]Thailand - Islamics clashes as they try to establish Independent Islamic State. Repeated attack and slaughter of Buddhists.

Chechnya - Islamists in conflict with Russia to establish Independent Islamic State.

Dagestan - Islamist conflict to establish Independent Islamist state to link to Chechnya.

Philippines - Islamist groups, up and including Abu Sayyaf in conflict to establish Independent islamic State

Kosovo - Albanian muslims in conflict with Serbia, to establish Independent Islamist state

Cyprus - Turky's illegal occupation of Northen Cyprus.

Kashmir - Clashes between Muslims and Hindus

Pakistan - a successfully separated Islamic state from India

Somalia - Islamist in conflict with secular government to establish Shari'a law. Islamists also declared 'Jihad' on neighbouring Ethiopia

Ivory Coast - Muslim clashes with native ethnic Bates.

Israel - Muslim clashes from various neighboring countries with Jews

China (Xinjiang Uighur region) - facing Islamic insurgency

Nigeria - Muslim clashes of North, with Christians in the South.

Sudan - Arab Muslims clahses with Africans. War begun with Africans revolted against Arab khartoum government. Arabs released Janjaweed to kill, rape and clense.
Also, Muslim clashes in Sudan with Christians in the south.

Indonesia - Muslim attack on Hindus and Christians in Bali area .

Indonesia, Island of Maluku - Muslim frequent clashes with Christians.

Eritrea - Frequent clahses of Muslim ELF against Ethiopians, Jihad declaired against Ethiopia.

Chad - recent victims of Arab Islamist Sudan militia.

Macedonia - Muslim clashes with Orthdox Macedonians and Greeks respectively.[/list]

And so on. That is excluding brutal governments of Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Palestine...etc and their treatment of non-Muslims.

''Religion of Peace''? Right.

Yeah, keep going off-topic (islam questions, wasn't it?) and blaming political conflicts on religion. I can give you simillar but much bigger list about christianity, so what?

Lil B not biased against Islam? Right...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Here are mainpoints

Christianity is a faith. Its a religion and can be personal. We are all withness to that.

Islam is not a faith. Islam by its definition is NOT a faith.
Islam is socio-political, socio-religious, economical, educational, juristric, legislative, militaristic system, cloaked in religious terminology.

And until you actually know a great deal about Islam, this will not be apperant to you

Second, coming from the east, I promise you, i have NEVER heard Jihad to be an inner struggle. Never ever. I was never thought jihad was an inner struggle, and the only time I actually came across that idea was when I moved to west (England) - so from a (tiny bit more) reliable source, Jihad is a holy War.
Mujahedeen are warriors and Shahids are the suicide bombers (Shahid literal translation means martyr, so that implies that)

The city I was born in, was called (thought not officially renamed)long time ago [b]Dar Ul Jihad
Which means The House of War - not the ''politically correct house of inner struggle'' - it means The House of War. [/B]

islam is a religon
jihad means to struggle not holy war
jihad there are 2 types one jihad agains our self like to stop ourselfes from doing bad things that is jihad. the 2nd jihad is to fight for the sake of allah or to defend your country
mujahedeen are people who fight for religon or country
shahids are those who die for allah or country
sucide bombers those who kill innocent people go to hell islam does not aloow to kill innocent people but those who kill them selves to kill those who are fighting them will go hevean

thought you knew a lot about islam?
next time get it right

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Islam is not a faith. Islam by its definition is NOT a faith.
Islam is socio-political, socio-religious, economical, educational, juristric, legislative, militaristic system, cloaked in religious terminology.

Not true at all.

You make no distiction between a religion and governments based on that religion. You cannot manipulate the ideology to include those who promote it in other areas.

It would be like saying communism was at fault for Stalin's wrongdoings in the USSR. Its not an innate problem with communism, its a problem witht he way people interpret and apply it.

Same goes for Islam. Islam exists in many parts of the world without becoming a totalitarian ideology. Like many other religions, notable Judaism and Christianity, it attempts to invade other areas of society. Good societies block that invasion.

Therefore, its not a problem with Islam, but a problem with societies and thier interpretation of Islam. Many societies have gone through these issues at one point or another.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah, keep going off-topic (islam questions, wasn't it?) and blaming political conflicts on religion. I can give you simillar but much bigger list about christianity, so what?

Lil B not biased against Islam? Right...

Well the thing is that people keep going on about how peaceful Islam is. With chrisanity we are already aware of the problems it brings.

Oh yeah lil can add Trinidad to that list. A muslim from Trinidad actually told me that they tried to start an Islamic State there with force. The muslim who told me wasnt even a strict muslim either.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well the thing is that people keep going on about how peaceful Islam is. With chrisanity we are already aware of the problems it brings.

Oh yeah lil can add Trinidad to that list. A muslim from Trinidad actually told me that they tried to start an Islamic State there with force. The muslim who told me wasnt even a strict muslim either.

Well, there is nothing wrong with that since Islam itself IS a peaceful religion. Political conflicts is a different thing though, and blaming it on Islam makes as much sense as blaming christianity for war in Iraq or Judaism for Israel/palestin conflict.

were just going around in circles.....again.

True.😬 I think I'll just go back to comicbooks vs forum then.
Spider-man vs Wolverine thread sounds promising...

Originally posted by Sam Z
True.😬 I think I'll just go back to comicbooks vs forum then.
Spider-man vs Wolverine thread sounds promising...

Meh had it up to here with Wolverine.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Well, there is nothing wrong with that since Islam itself IS a peaceful religion. Political conflicts is a different thing though, and blaming it on Islam makes as much sense as blaming christianity for war in Iraq or Judaism for Israel/palestin conflict.

Originally posted by Alliance
Not true at all.

You make no distiction between a religion and governments based on that religion. You cannot manipulate the ideology to include those who promote it in other areas.

It would be like saying communism was at fault for Stalin's wrongdoings in the USSR. Its not an innate problem with communism, its a problem witht he way people interpret and apply it.

Same goes for Islam. Islam exists in many parts of the world without becoming a totalitarian ideology. Like many other religions, notable Judaism and Christianity, it attempts to invade other areas of society. Good societies block that invasion.

Therefore, its not a problem with Islam, but a problem with societies and thier interpretation of Islam. Many societies have gone through these issues at one point or another.

Ignoring the fact I copied the quote from Muslim Cleric, and added ''cloaked into religious terminology'' bit, please tell me why you are Ignoring Sharia Law as a part of Islamic religion?

No other religion has got anything which rivels Sharia Law in Islam - It is a political system, social system, moral system and of course law system, so what is that if not political?

Not that I doubt your good intentions - I despise the lazy, ignorant, cowardly people thirsting for recognition who jump on the safe wagons and trumpet only the safe "truths", those for which they know no consequences will befall them.

While you, and majority people wouldn't DARE to utter a single word against Muslim aggression, or risk a backlash by letting go of your political correctness when it comes to Muslims, homosexuals or anyone else except Christians, you feel it's perfectly safe to join in with those who bash opposition to Islam as well as Christians and further promote the biggoted, evil, modern-day fascists brand for people who oppose Islam, because everybody else does it and nothing has ever happened to them.

So now, you are lecturing me on how Islamic system is different, by complitely ignoring Sharia Law, put in place for sole purpose of political system, under the flag of allah.

LIL B has proven her knowledge of Islam, and has provided FAR MORE factual information, including references to and from the Quran itself, than both Muslimscholar and Fatima combined.

You two take such offense at what LIL B provides, she is NOT insulting your Faith, she is insulting the corruption that Islam has underwent for centuries, much like I attack not Christianity ITSELF, but the corruption of Christianity....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]LIL B has proven her knowledge of Islam, and has provided FAR MORE factual information, including references to and from the Quran itself, than both Muslimscholar and Fatima combined.

You two take such offense at what LIL B provides, she is NOT insulting your Faith, she is insulting the corruption that Islam has underwent for centuries, much like I attack not Christianity ITSELF, but the corruption of Christianity.... [/B]

L U first welcome a gain .. Which fact did she provided from Quran ?she just blame Islam in everything happened in the world and thats nuts ..

Originally posted by Fatima
L U first welcome a gain .. Which fact did she provided from Quran ?she just blame Islam in everything happened in the world and thats nuts ..

Thank You

Secondly, she is attacking Islamic government, not the religion itself. She is also attacking Islam's founder, Muhammed, who was in fact, a very violent man.

LIL B told me in a previous argument that she did NOT CARE about the details of Islam...she does not care if you beleive in Allah, or Adam and Eve, in Genesis, etc. She feels you have every right to beleive those things....

However, she is opposed to the violence that Quran encourages, and the violence that has been done in the name of Allah for centuries. I am also opposed to this as well. I agree with her on that.

Don't worry though....Christianity's history is no better. WE of the West do not thnk we are better than you, so please do not beleive that. I cannot tolerate violence, and I cannot tolerate blind Hatred. If i see it in ANY realm, Christianity, Islam, any religion, any setting, any government, any place or time, I will not tolerate it, and neither will LIL B

yea yea I heard that alot ..If u have any evidence just show us otherwise u and lil just wanna waste our time ..Bye