about the abuse women part....other than the fact that women are treated as second class citizens.....I have a friend who was in turkey near Ankara on some back street when all of a sudden he heard yelling,a teenage girl had gotten pregnant and her father was dragging her into the street by her hair as the wife beat her they strung her up and then to to the encourage meant of the locals and police men they then *if you are squeamish stop reading here* cut her open and attempted to pull the baby out(which was not really a baby at all yet) of the womb,she died right there and the boy that made her pregnant do you know what happened to him he was lightly slapped and grounded for 2 weeks and told to repent......one of the saddest things i ever heard
Re: islam
Originally posted by muslimscholar
if you have any questions concerning islam post here and i will try my best to answer it thnk you
I have a question about that religion.
Why is it that all prayers must be in Arabic?? The Salat (Five Daily Prayers) have to be in Arabic in order to be "valid" or recognized by God; even Muslims who don't speak Arabic must do so during the prayers. That's such a bullshit rule. I can't think of any other religion with that requirement. Christians and Jews are free to pray to God, in what ever language they choose, because it doesn't really matter since he is all-knowing. Hell, most Jewish Americans can't even speak Hebrew. It's the message that matters, not the language used to deliver it.
In fact, translations of the Koran are called "interpretations". What the hell is that? That's very arrogant and Arab-centric.
So tell me, muslimscholar, why does Islam have that rigid rule that makes no sense what-so-ever.
Originally posted by TRH
If god told them to those mindless zombies whould tourture themselves
Yeah tell me about it.
"Religion of Peace"...my ass.
Originally posted by TRHDisgusting. I've read many abuses like this.
about the abuse women part....other than the fact that women are treated as second class citizens.....I have a friend who was in turkey near Ankara on some back street when all of a sudden he heard yelling,a teenage girl had gotten pregnant and her father was dragging her into the street by her hair as the wife beat her they strung her up and then to to the encourage meant of the locals and police men they then *if you are squeamish stop reading here* cut her open and attempted to pull the baby out(which was not really a baby at all yet) of the womb,she died right there and the boy that made her pregnant do you know what happened to him he was lightly slapped and grounded for 2 weeks and told to repent......one of the saddest things i ever heard
Re: Re: islam
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I have a question about that religion.Why is it that all prayers must be in Arabic?? The Salat (Five Daily Prayers) have to be in Arabic in order to be "valid" or recognized by God; even Muslims who don't speak Arabic must do so during the prayers. That's such a bullshit rule. I can't think of any other religion with that requirement. Christians and Jews are free to pray to God, in what ever language they choose, because it doesn't really matter since he is all-knowing. Hell, most Jewish Americans can't even speak Hebrew. It's the message that matters, not the language used to deliver it.
In fact, translations of the Koran are called "interpretations". What the hell is that? That's very arrogant and Arab-centric.
So tell me, muslimscholar, why does Islam have that rigid rule that makes no sense what-so-ever.
Yeah tell me about it.
"Religion of Peace"...my ass.
salah does not have to be in arabic new onverts read it in their language until they learn how to read the quran and prayers dont have to be in arabic dont know where you got that from
what rule is so rigid and dosent make any sence to you?
Originally posted by TRH
about the abuse women part....other than the fact that women are treated as second class citizens.....I have a friend who was in turkey near Ankara on some back street when all of a sudden he heard yelling,a teenage girl had gotten pregnant and her father was dragging her into the street by her hair as the wife beat her they strung her up and then to to the encourage meant of the locals and police men they then *if you are squeamish stop reading here* cut her open and attempted to pull the baby out(which was not really a baby at all yet) of the womb,she died right there and the boy that made her pregnant do you know what happened to him he was lightly slapped and grounded for 2 weeks and told to repent......one of the saddest things i ever heard
in Islam men and women are equal. there is a different between culture and religion. some things that are culture are mistaken for religion like the girl got killed and nothing happened to the boy Islam doesn't say do that does it so you see you have to look out for what is culture what is religion
Originally posted by muslimscholar
in Islam men and women are equal. there is a different between culture and religion. some things that are culture are mistaken for religion like the girl got killed and nothing happened to the boy Islam doesn't say do that does it so you see you have to look out for what is culture what is religion
However, culture and religion are not separate entities. They intertwine and influence each other. Perhaps religion within a different culture would act differently, and there is good evidence to support that. So, would you agree, in the case of the extremists, that the culture of violence has distorted the religion of Islam?
Re: Re: islam
Originally posted by Quiero MotaI went slightly off your question, addressing the Koran, which to my knowledge is the only language specific portion of Islam. Any translation of any text is interpretive. If the Bible had never been translated it would have been more uniform in its presentation, with overt changes between texts instead of the covert changes available due to language differences. Any Biblical scholar would say that a Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek original language version would be more accurate than a translations, it is a logical and sound method for maintaining integrity in their scripture and religious practice. It is likely that Islam has altered less than many religions due to this requirement. Less interpretation is needed to understand the text than if it were translated into English where language interpretation is added.
In fact, translations of the Koran are called "interpretations". What the hell is that? That's very arrogant and Arab-centric.So tell me, muslimscholar, why does Islam have that rigid rule that makes no sense what-so-ever.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonHave they distorted the religion, or an outsider's opinion of the religion? I think culture influences beliefs, interpretations and practices of various members of a religion, but I also believe that it does not necessarily alter/distort the religion (the texts and facts concerning the dogma) itself.
However, culture and religion are not separate entities. They intertwine and influence each other. Perhaps religion within a different culture would act differently, and there is good evidence to support that. So, would you agree, in the case of the extremists, that the culture of violence has distorted the religion of Islam?
Originally posted by Regret
Have they distorted the religion, or an outsider's opinion of the religion? I think culture influences beliefs, interpretations and practices of various members of a religion, but I also believe that it does not necessarily alter/distort the religion (the texts and facts concerning the dogma) itself.
However, if within a reign a particular dogma is commonly believed, and this belief is different from another reign, a split in the religion will occur. This can be seen in all religions of the world. Therefore, how people view a religion, based upon culture has a direct influence on doctrine. Understandable there is resistance to this kind of change, and it is not done easily, but the influence of a violent culture on a peaceful religion has been shown, to more often then not, have a violent outcome. It may not change the basic dogma, but distort them for the immediate conflict. Case in point is the Protestant Reformation.