Originally posted by Punkyhermy
The whole fact:002.190
And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.002.191
And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.002.192
But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.002.193
Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.002.194
there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselvesand here is a little attempt at exposing the whole story behind the snippets of text she so conviniently pastes.
Women
And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.
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Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.002.228
and their husbands have a better right to take them back in the meanwhile if they wish for reconciliation; and they have rights similar to those against them in a just manner, and the men are a degree(in context of divorce) above them, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.0030:0021
"And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquility and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect."“Disbelievers”
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Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His messengers and Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers.009.006
And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.Yes, the Quran is NOT chronological but it is [B]not
rocket science to follow the basic principle of every word being in context to each verse which in turn being in context to the themes accroding to which the book is divided.🙄
I dunno if I'm more amazed at such a flagrant attempt at feeding people bullshit or at the everyone's willingness to eat it all up.😬 [/B]
Refer to my post above ''beat your women'', ''testemony of one man equals two women'', ''women are efficient in intelligence'' ''kill disbelievers wherever you find them'', ''disbelievers are dirty'' ''kill pagans'', ''fight until there is no religion other than Islam'' is not a snippet, its a verse of allah's hate towards women and anyone who is not a believer.
Second, Qur'an is grossly contradictory. Not only contradictory but extremely inaccurate in any historical fact mentioned.
Verses I posted still stand. About killing unbelievers, and about hell fire which awaits them. Furthermore, it is not a single verse - these verses are repeted over and over and over again throughout the Qur'an with no chronology.
The verses of violence, intolerance and hate above STILL STAND in the Qur'an. Every word of it.
And you can shit your pants being angry, and they'll still be in the qur'an.
Originally posted by inimalist
Yes, the Wahhabist Islamists in Western Pakistan, spurned on by the movement in Saudi Arabia, and the Taliban student movement cherry picked the verses of the Qu'ran that they needed to justify their actions.Both of these groups kill non-believers.
yes, many scholars have different ideas. Those that belong to the extreme Islamic groups have interpretations of the Qu'ran that justify their actions. Do you deny this?
You may disagree with their interpretation of Islam, but can you really say they don't think they are Muslims?
And not just groups but very high clerics around the world.
None of them has refuted any violent passage in the Qur'an.
The people who DO refute are apologetics who more often than not are not even Muslims.
To question the of Muhammad is to question Allah. Which is a gravest of the sins.
The only people who reject the violence (either by ignoring, not knowing or by completely discarding it as invalid and un-Islamic) are initially ordinary people (Muslims).
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh no, lets burst her tiny little bubble.Kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191),
Don't kill believers (4:92), and if you do by accident then you must free a slave
Believers who kill other believes will go to hell.(4:93)
Murder them and treat them harshly (9:123),
Slay them (9:5),
Ffight with them (8:65 ),
Strive against them with great endeavor (25:52),
Be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9)
Whoever Muslims kill was not killed by them, but by Allah (8:17)
Strike off their heads; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” for ransom (47:4).
As for the Christians and the Jews, the order is to subdue them and impose on them a penalty tax, after humiliating them (9:29) and if they resist, kill them.
Disbelievers are najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28),
Muslims to fight them until no other religion except Islam is left,
slay or crucify or cut the hands and the feet of the unbelievers and to expel them from the land with disgrace.(2:193)Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. (5:51)
Jews are the enemy (5:64)
Jews are apes (7:166)
All evil is because of priests and rabbis (5:63)
Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. (66:9)
It stresses that the disbelievers shall have a great punishment in the world hereafter (5:34)
It also prohibits Muslims to associate with their own brothers and fathers if they are non-believers (9:23), (3:28).
Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. (33:60-61)
Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. (2:171)
Allah will mock all Christians in Hell by asking them where are his partners they believed in to help them (40:73)
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. (4:91)
Muslims should strike terror in the hears of non-believers. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. (8:12)
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. (5:33)
Disbelievers will right posses the hell fire. (5:86)
Let the idolaters kill their children. It is Allah's will. (6:137)
Those who are in Heaven (ie. Muslims) will ridicule unbelievers in Hell from heaven (7:44)
If you retreat when you killing non-believers, you'll go to Hell. (8:15-16)
Those who deny Muhammad and his prophethood will be destroyed( 25:36)
Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. (31:6-7) <-- I have a whole verse about myself!!
A fire has 0been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. (2:24)
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. (2:96)
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. (2:98)
Only evil people are disbelievers. (2:99)
Anyone who opposes Islam will go to hell and face awful doom (16:94)
Disbelievers will be burned with fire. (2:39, 2:90)
The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. (20:15)
Women are inferior to men and if they disobey their husbands the latter have the right to beat them (4:34).
Their punishment for disobeying their husbands does not end there, because after they die they will go to hell (66:10).
Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. (24:2)
The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" (8:50)
Those who disagree with allah will go to hell (13:18)
The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. (9:97-98)
Men have an advantage over the women (2:228).
Denies women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12),
Two women equal one man in testemony (2:282).
Muslim men to marry up to four wives (although he himself had a score of them) and gave them license to enjoy their "right-hand possessions" (women captured in wars), as many as they can capture or afford to buy (4:3),
Even if the woman is married before being captured (4:24).
Etc..
Note that these are repeated within Qur'an several times.
Also, those who have read the qur'an, know that Qur'an does not have order in which is written (so none of that you-took-it-out-of-context, bullcrap. There is no context as Qur'an has no chronological order! It is written under chapters, which have no logic pattern), and it is tediously repetitive about Allah killing everyone and sending them to Hell if they disbelieve.
lol lil b you make me laugh how about reading the verses is context and also the tafseer before you start opening your mouth
Newsflash, there's such a thing called "edit". Anyway debating specific verses of the Quran, however entertaining it may be, is quite pointless because too many important teachings of Islam are quite rotten. Regardless of how many hours we argue we are still going to believe women should not be beaten (No, not even with a bloody toothstick) gays and adulterers should not be stoned, beaten up, exiled, flogged, etc. church and state should be separate, and the list goes on.
Originally posted by muslimscholar
lil b i wana debate you becuase you are always chatting shit about islam i am getting quiet fed up i asked kali to debate me and he diden't even answer
http://www.videosift.com/video/Debate-between-Sam-Harris-and-Reza-Aslan
its 90min, so be patient
Originally posted by Alliance
Yeah, because a minority of extremists dictate what Islam actually is.
not at all
however, the do get to dictate what their local brand of Islam is, which then becomes the religion of the people.
I don't see a lot of disagreement between what we are saying if you are talking about Muslims in the first world, but to imply that these groups are not influenced by their religion is almost like saying what people believe can have no affect on their behaviour. Mind, the first world Muslims did hold world wide anti-free speech rallies.
Originally posted by muslimscholar
lil b you are such a devil i am saing this because you are brainwashing everyone why dont you tell them what the verces actually mean and post the whole verse rather then a few words why?why dont you? why is it because you know you are chatting shit?
😆 Shut the **** up bro 👇
Hah! I've been called a devil!
Originally posted by muslimscholar
lil b you are such a devil i am saing this because you are brainwashing everyone why dont you tell them what the verces actually mean and post the whole verse rather then a few words why?why dont you? why is it because you know you are chatting shit?
One of us is brainwashed, but I somehow doubt its me.
Originally posted by muslimscholar
lil b i wana debate you becuase you are always chatting shit about islam i am getting quiet fed up i asked kali to debate me and he diden't even answer
I posted verses of Qur'an. The actual verses of the Qur'an.
What exactly do you want to debate?
No matter what you say about Qur'an, it clearly state what is to be done with women and what is to be done with disbelievers - which im sad to say, is all of us.
I am listening.
Islam is a religion of peace - and will kill you to prove it.
Originally posted by muslimscholar
lil b i wana debate you becuase you are always chatting shit about islam i am getting quiet fed up i asked kali to debate me and he diden't even answer
dude u live in an ignorant world. today my mother, forcing me to say outloud what my true beliefs were told me that she was ASHAMED of having had me as a child, that shed take it back infront of allah if she cud go back in time. she told me that there was no place in here heart, her house, or her contry{pakistan} for heathens such as me and i shud leave as soon as possible. furthermore she added quite amusingly and sadistically that people here would bash my head in rightfully if they knew i was anti islamic and that there was no connection between us blood or otherwise aslong as i didnt have the most fundamental belief in islam and god. and guess what she told me that she was actually rather happy with the two bunch of gangster's that beat me up pretty badly a while ago saying, they might not have good wordly actions but atleast allah is close to their hearts{and the reason the beat me and gave me pretty bad concussions and wounds was only cause i was a KAFIR} . u dont accept the practical HUMAN side of islam or if it is explained by kali or more importantly lil, bitchness. take it form people that go trough it. ur the one whose mistaken pal!!!!!!!!!!!!!! muslims are for the most part right now, one of the stupidest and most idiotic nations on earth.{REGUARDLESS of islam being the cause or facilitater/encourager/allower} and islam has a lot to do with it.