Most Badass Leader in History?

i realize by asking who's the biggest badass in history, i'm not really keeping this professional, but im really just wondering what you all think??

In my opinion.....Andrew Jackson. One of the toughest most BA guys in american history. During the War of 1812, in the battle at New Orleans, he could convince anyone off the street to pick up a gun and come fight for the cause. He did what he wanted. That battle was the bloodiest of the war. And all the duels he was involved in? while he was the general in that battle, he currently had a bullet lodged in his chest from a previous duel. I'm not supporting his actions, like the whole trail of tears thing, but he's just such a bamf.

That's my opinion.......what do you think?

Badass? I bet there were some chunky asses on the Queens of England early on..

Maggie Thatcher everyone left the room when she farted!

Mark Anthony . . . . (Oops sorry, im still on a Rome trip, great series by the way).

Stalin for sure.

Alexander the Great, conquered the world.....

Emperor Qin Shi Huang,

Conquered all of China, Built the great wall, unified measurement across his empire, avoided several assassination attempts, killed his mother's lover and their children among others while solidifying his rule over the entire middle kingdom. Eventually he went crazy from mercury poisoning which he was drinking in his tea in an attempt to live forever. His empire dissolved 3 years later. This all happened in 221 BCE, he is still hate by Chinese today.

Nero. The guy killed his own mother.

Caligula was pretty bad, too.

*Waits for some stupid, wannabe-sophisticated 15 year old to say Hitler in hopes of sounding unique or interesting*.

*says Hitler in hopes of sounding unique or interesting*

Really though I'd go with AlexanderTheGreat or GengisKahn

Either Cyrus of Persia or Stalin.

Cyrus conquered most of Asia after uniting Persia, which was a set of different countries. There was one country, the "king's" country, who all the other countries had to give gifts. Cyrus's father was the ruler of one of these countries, and he saw how unfair it was. When he grew up he united all the countries, destroyed the "king's" country, and then went on to building a huge army. He conquered Babylon, which was the greatest city at that time. Cyrus was the first commander ever to seperate his army into units, or batallions. He was also the first one to actually use cavalry as a tactical adventage isntead of brute strength.

Stalin, well, he just pwned in military. But he was jackass for getting paranoid and putting so many people to jail.

Napoleon, concurred almost all of Europe in such a small amount of time and he would have concurred Russia, if it wasn't for the winter.

Genghis Khan

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Napoleon, concurred almost all of Europe in such a small amount of time and he would have concurred Russia, if it wasn't for the winter.

Napoleon agreed with almost all of Europe?

As for conquering, Napoleon didn't do shit. He became the boss man of France (Called himself 'Emperor', what a tw@) but didn't really conquer anything worth worrying about outside of that. True, he invaded Italy as far as Rome and effectively controlled parts of Italy and Germany, but that was mostly through alliances, and he couldn't touch the other major players. Even when allied with mighty Spain, he still got pawned by the British.

He might have stood a chance if he had Nelson and Wellington on his side, but he didn't have them, so....

Ah, come on people, it has to be Attila the Hun! 😛

Seriously though, I can't really think of anybody else in history who is famed for being a badass and only a badass. What little information we have on Attila depicts him as the absolute badass, (although some of this might have been Western bias against the Eastern invaders). And who else was actually ever able to conquer (and yet also inspire) the ancient Gothic peoples?

You make a good point, but the lack of easily-available information about Attila means that, like you say, we can't be sure that he was that 'badass'. We know how western civilisations like to use propoganda against their enemies and make them out to be worse than they are.

Yeah, I s'pose.

"Nelson is to sea what Napoleon is to land."

The English are lucky that they have a channel between them and Bonaparte, unlike the Dutch, the German states and the Hapsburgs. The Russians have tracts and tracts of land seperating them and Napoleon. IIRC the only alliance that Napoleon made is between the Russian tsar; everything in between them is Napoleon's territory.

Spain in Napoleon's time is a faint shadow of its former self and is far from being France's ally.

And Waterloo itself is a battle that could have gone either way and IIRC Napoleon's forces were outnumbered by the Continental forces under Wellington and Blucher.

Napoleon may be a pompous tyrant but he's an effective military leader.

Napoleon isn't really badass though, he didn't really achieve much and he let history repeat itself and on top of it he didn't kill a lot of his enemies, he just got his own people killed.

Stalin . maybe Saddam Hussein. you take your pick