What's So Bad About Hudlin? Really?

Originally posted by masterbruce
personally I've never read Hudlins works or BP so I can't really comment.

I think Hudlin just bringing more realism to comics...and maybe people don't want that. I mean, it used to seem like racism didn't even exist in the comic world, perhaps there's a move to reflect issues going on today in comics.

By the way racism in some form or fashion has always exited in comics. Green Arrow comics for awhile took on racial issues when it was more relevant. The mutants have always been discriminated against.

And once again Hudlin is using a very simplistic method to his writing. Using a character in a certain way he has no business using that way. Worst of all his comics have no relevance to modern times at all.

Originally posted by Newjak
How is he bringing bringing more realism itno comics?

By the way racism in some form or fashion has always exited in comics. Green Arrow comics for awhile took on racial issues when it was more relevant. The mutants have always been discriminated against.

And once again Hudlin is using a very simplistic method to his writing. Using a character in a certain way he has no business using that way. Worst of all his comics have no relevance to modern times at all.

again, I haven't really read of any of his works so I can't really comment. I personally don't have an issue with a writer bringing real life issues into comics.

I think we're gonna just have to agree to disagree on this.

Originally posted by masterbruce
again, I haven't really read of any of his works so I can't really comment. I personally don't have an issue with a writer bringing real life issues into comics.

I think we're gonna just have to agree to disagree on this.

Let's just take a look at his writing. He takes the most simple appraoch to the matter. BP is black therefore every white character in a similar role is racist or close to it. There is no depth and this doesn't so any relaistic nature to the world of comics.

It would be fine fit his happened once or twice and was subtle but he makes what the whole book is about sometimes.

Which brings me back to the next. Why would BP care. He is from a rich African nation with Black people only. Racism in his life would be nonexitent much less enough to make him some Civil Rights wannabe. Let's face it BP has better things to do then worry about the color of people's skins nor would such an enlightened character really care.

This shows just how much Hudlin really cares. He is willing to completely over play a subject despite poor choices in writing and story. In the end it creates a very uninteresting character and story.

Hudlin's writing is terrible, unrealistic, and down right boring.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
No, he joined because Golith died, and no one on the Pro-Registration cared about his death. BP, saw this as unacceptable, a long time member and friend of the same team death goes unwarrented. And on top of that, Cap is one of his best and closet friends.

EDIT: Oh and not to mention, Stark and T'Challa have always, ALWAYS, in the history of there history, not trusted each-other.

Im glad someone realize's its not as serious as many are making it to be.

Sadly however, your point will be ignored.

I call bullshit on that.

Many people felt hurt when Goliath died. That's why Sue left to the anti reg side.

Originally posted by Newjak

Which brings me back to the next. Why would BP care. He is from a rich African nation with Black people only. Racism in his life would be nonexitent much less enough to make him some Civil Rights wannabe. Let's face it BP has better things to do then worry about the color of people's skins nor would such an enlightened character really care.

This shows just how much Hudlin really cares. He is willing to completely over play a subject despite poor choices in writing and story. In the end it creates a very uninteresting character and story.

Hudlin's writing is terrible, unrealistic, and down right boring.

So a rich welloff black person couldn't identify with problems of his race just because he's well off? I think that's wrong

I think hudlin uses BP rather than say a Luke Cage because he wants a black hero who is powerful and respected, whereas Luke Cage could easily be seen as a street thug and would garner less attention.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So a rich welloff black person couldn't identify with problems of his race just because he's well off? I think that's wrong

I think hudlin uses BP rather than say a Luke Cage because he wants a black hero who is powerful and respected, whereas Luke Cage could easily be seen as a street thug and would garner less attention.

Let's look at it.

BP wouldn't care about racial overtones. He would care more about his nation's resources being at risk. Hence him getting onvloved against the USA government on racial overtoen alone stupid.

BP deals with people soceities and culatures more than race. He could care as much about African countries as European countries to him they are all the same. And this has been shown throughout BP's history. Wakanda has wiped our neighboring tribes before because they were threats.

Once again BP is a poor choice for his writing style and statement. Luke Cage is a much better fit.

It jsut also shows how very little Hudlin really cares about the medium and its history. Taking away from characters simply for sake of his own story. It says a lot about person as much as the poor quality of writing he uses.

Originally posted by Newjak

Once again BP is a poor choice for his writing style and statement. Luke Cage is a much better fit.

maybe, but Cage doesn't have the influence or power that BP has. Nobody would give a sh1t if Cage complained about racism...whereas if BP does it, it's a huge issue just because he's so important in the world.

I mean that's why you see celebrities talk about issues...it's not that they relate to it more than you and I, infact they prob relate to it less since they're rich and insulated...but the fact is they can bring awareness to issues that a thousand of you or me couldn't do.

Originally posted by masterbruce
maybe, but Cage doesn't have the influence or power that BP has. Nobody would give a sh1t if Cage complained about racism...whereas if BP does it, it's a huge issue just because he's so important in the world.

I mean that's why you see celebrities talk about issues...it's not that they relate to it more than you and I, infact they prob relate to it less since they're rich and insulated...but the fact is they can bring awareness to issues that a thousand of you or me couldn't do.

And yes Luke Cage would eb a much better character to get across the message Hudlin wants.

Bendis = Luke Cage's definitive writer.
Preist = T'Challa's definitive writer.

That's the way I see it, Hudlin wouldn't come close to either to be honest 😬

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Bendis = Luke Cage's definitive writer.
Preist = T'Challa's definitive writer.

That's the way I see it, Hudlin wouldn't come close to either to be honest 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
When he is a rich King of a country of Isolationist who pretty much want to be left to themselves yeah.

Let's look at it.

BP wouldn't care about racial overtones. He would care more about his nation's resources being at risk. Hence him getting onvloved against the USA government on racial overtoen alone stupid.

BP deals with people soceities and culatures more than race. He could care as much about African countries as European countries to him they are all the same. And this has been shown throughout BP's history. Wakanda has wiped our neighboring tribes before because they were threats.

All that said, and you still look at his involvement as purely racially motivated? Didn't you read the part about the "Super People Army" (my shit gets ignored all the time.) This was about the balance of power. The whole honeymoon arch was about what to do if the civil war.........? His reasons for getting involved were political, and had everything to do with protecting his country. (Goliath dieing was the icing on the cake.)

Originally posted by Newjak
Once again BP is a poor choice for his writing style and statement. Luke Cage is a much better fit.[/B]

as for his "Racist" views, Black Panther had to be the vehicle because Blade is a Monster, and Luke was a street level tough guy(laced with Stereo Types).

The very title of the book "Black Panther" holds significance in the black community. (by the way, the NRA is still alive and kickin. But the Panthers were, well, do some research.)

My problem with using other metaphors to deal with race relations in comics (specifically Black/White) is that in 9/10 comics that i read it's about the "free thinking" White Guy Vs the "Racist" White Guy with good 'ol (your pick of Black filler characters) caught in the middle waiting to be rescued by "Super White Man". It's not racism for black people to stick together. Or, understand that they might be the only people angry enough about it, to do something about it. (The concept of "Black Unity" is scary I know.)

Why i think some people have a problem with Hudlins Panther
(Has anyone here ever seen "Bamboozled". America doesn't want to see strong, black, powerful men in thier media/entertainment. The masses have become accustomed to our "MANUFACTURED" buffoonery. That is to say, they'd rather see us act like the fool than the Boss. like no other hero before this one got his cock stroked)

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Bendis = Luke Cage's definitive writer.
Preist = T'Challa's definitive writer.

That's the way I see it, Hudlin wouldn't come close to either to be honest 😬

You all read Pulse.

Originally posted by llagrok
I call bullshit on that.

Many people felt hurt when Goliath died. That's why Sue left to the anti reg side.

I call double standards. When Sue joins the anti reg side because Goliath dies it's great. "Go Sue kill them all, yeah!!!"

When Black Panther joins the anti reg side because Goliath dies it's racist writing on Hudlin's part. 🙄

Why isn't anyone complaining about Luke Cage's WHITE writer whom made him a fake, non accurate, "jive", imitation of a black man from the city?

Originally posted by His Airness

When Goliath joins the anti reg side because Goliath dies it's racist writing on Hudlin's part.

Originally posted by His Airness
I call double standards. When Sue joins the anti reg side because Goliath dies it's great. "Go Sue kill them all, yeah!!!"

When Goliath joins the anti reg side because Goliath dies it's racist writing on Hudlin's part. 🙄

Why isn't anyone complaining about Luke Cage's WHITE writer whom made him a fake, non accurate, "jive", imitation of a black man from the city?

When Goliath joins because Goliath died? What?

I'm not one of those who claims that it's racism when Hudlin made Black Panther join the anti reg side. However, perhaps he shouldn't have done it when BP felt so incredibly strongly about being neutral in the start?

Originally posted by Newjak
How is he bringing bringing more realism itno comics?

By the way racism in some form or fashion has always exited in comics. Green Arrow comics for awhile took on racial issues when it was more relevant. The mutants have always been discriminated against.

And once again Hudlin is using a very simplistic method to his writing. Using a character in a certain way he has no business using that way. Worst of all his comics have no relevance to modern times at all.

Has no relevance to modern times!!!? What world are you living in New Jack.

Tell me what would happen to the mindset of America if A black President where elected in the upcoming election.

There would be Ignorance on both sides.

Racial Whites would Judge the president off every mistake he makes saying hes not fit and cant do the job. Oh and don't let him be from Georgia. What if a Black President where to rep ATL, as hard as Bush reps Texas. I don't think the Mindset of America would enjoy that to much, you know, seeing ludicrous and T.I. repping ATL with there Hip Hop as they do.

Radical Blacks would feel a black president owes them something for the years of slavery and oppression. If the Black President did not rep the Black Community, he would be labeled an Uncle Tom, and that he did not care about blacks. Look at Tiger Woods, he is made fun of all the time for not fully claiming his black heritage.

I'm not saying either way is right, In fact they are both wrong, but he would be hard fought to win on either front. Is just the way it is.

This IS modern times Newjack, open your eyes.

Originally posted by Newjak
When he is a rich King of a country of Isolationist who pretty much want to be left to themselves yeah.

Let's look at it.

BP wouldn't care about racial overtones. He would care more about his nation's resources being at risk. Hence him getting onvloved against the USA government on racial overtoen alone stupid.

But he didn't, what are you talking about!? He got involved because a Hero died!? Black or white it shouldn't matter to you, He got involved because a hero died. On top of the who "Super Powered Army" thing.

Originally posted by llagrok
When Goliath joins because Goliath died? What?

I'm not one of those who claims that it's racism when Hudlin made Black Panther join the anti reg side. However, perhaps he shouldn't have done it when BP felt so incredibly strongly about being neutral in the start?

He was neutral at first, Until Namor, Doom and Storm convinced him otherwise.

Goliath Dying, and cap being a close friend just solidified it.

Originally posted by llagrok
When Goliath joins because Goliath died? What?

I'm not one of those who claims that it's racism when Hudlin made Black Panther join the anti reg side. However, perhaps he shouldn't have done it when BP felt so incredibly strongly about being neutral in the start?

Black Panther.

Didn't Sue join the anti reg after feeling strongly about sticking with her husband? I call double standards. Many people switched sides if i recall correctly.

Originally posted by His Airness
Black Panther.

Didn't Sue join the anti reg after feeling strongly about sticking with her husband? I call double standards. Many people switched sides if i recall correctly.

Stop saying "I call double standards" You don't know what it means. Sue obviously wants to stick with her own husband, but she's also a very strong and independent woman. I was agreeing with you all along, that black panther wasn't the only one who switched side after Goliath's death.

Trying to pick a fight with me because I'm white? If you read what I'll say, you'll notice that I wasn't arguing with you.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Has no relevance to modern times!!!? What world are you living in New Jack.

Tell me what would happen to the mindset of America if A black President where elected in the upcoming election.

There would be Ignorance on both sides.

Racial Whites would Judge the president off every mistake he makes saying hes not fit and cant do the job. Oh and don't let him be from Georgia. What if a Black President where to rep ATL, as hard as Bush reps Texas. I don't think the Mindset of America would enjoy that to much, you know, seeing ludicrous and T.I. repping ATL with there Hip Hop as they do.

Radical Blacks would feel a black president owes them something for the years of slavery and oppression. If the Black President did not rep the Black Community, he would be labeled an Uncle Tom, and that he did not care about blacks. Look at Tiger Woods, he is made fun of all the time for not fully claiming his black heritage.

I'm not saying either way is right, In fact they are both wrong, but he would be hard fought to win on either front. Is just the way it is.

This IS modern times Newjack, open your eyes.

But he didn't, what are you talking about!? He got involved because a Hero died!? Black or white it shouldn't matter to you, He got involved because a hero died. On top of the who "Super Powered Army" thing.

And your whole thing about a Black President you do realize you just described exactly what Bush and every other modern president has gone through and if a Black President did get voted into office eh would have had to win the election to begin with 😬

Don't play stupid with me. You know as well as I do Hudlin only wanted BP on the Ant side to showcase a racial side to the whole Civil War.